horrible dealer service.

[WyoBoy1000]

$180 per ride,

put it into perspective, I ride a average amount (not as much as I would like) but its at least once a week. $180 a month is a sled payment times 4 equals 4 new pro-rmks to choose from each month.
I ride about 1000 miles minimum a year and average 50m a ride thats 20x180=3600 and if I remember ak puts 2-3x that on his sled, so 3600x3= 10,800. So park the cat buy a pro-rmk and it will be paid for at the end of the year and you will have 2 sleds.
Yeah, would rather eat the warranty and fix my chit.
Even at that what goods the warranty if the sled cost you more than its worth.

 

[sledking120]

i dont understand why someone would leave a 13,000.00 dollar sled sit in their garage till ac finds a fix when other people have and if he took it in their cuz the motor was blown then i could maybe see sending pics to ac so the dealer didnt get stuck with the bill but his mods had nothing to do with ac belt problems

 

[aksnopro]

yeah what does the price of tea in china have to do with clutching!

wyo,

4 polaris's still arent faster then one kitty.

j/k.. hahaha

very well put point wyo, and man, as cat loyal as i am, if when i talk to corporate/warranty department they tell me im shafted, then as hard as it is for me to say this i might be on a polaris soon.

but im going to give cat a chance cause in my last 5 sleds they have never wronged me in a warranty situation, i was denied bent rails in the past, that was due to my weight not allowing the shock to ramp up and bottom the suspension out properly but that goes with jumping and i wasnt suprised when they declined it. when im talking to them, they will see all my previous sleds, and prowler in there history, it will tell a story that i dont bring my sled in for junk claims. and i will buy a sled,atv off of them every other year.

with that said, they have a chance to keep me as a customer and ill remain cat loyal if the conversation goes in the manner i think its going to. like i said from the beginning. im just strait sad that his quoted fix was bs. i just want my sled to work!!!!

you guys may say this is a little wierd but i have been seriously losing sleep over this belt issue and sled not working right and have been a crackhead on these forums waiting to hear of a fix every morning/night.
this has effected me in ways i would have never thought im usually guy who can shake neg/bad energy and stay up beat.
but with my sled in the shop and dealer after dealer saying theres nothing they can do im just strait stressed and animosityed out!!

now this...

we will see what cat says, im hoping they call back in the morning.

-Aksnopro

 

[Ace Freely]

So a few thoughts while reading this High school drama B.S....


1. The dealer has the right to refuse service to anyone....yell at my M.I.L. so my wife gets pissy with me? There's the door...

2. IF you are sponsered by Boyseen, what is their reacation to the warranty claim? IF you are sponsered, shouldn't they pick up any out of pocket expenses??

Bottom line...solve your problems in house BEFORE coming on line to BIATCH about a piss poor dealer experiance! You sound like a 12 year old girl...

Ace

 

[m8magicandmystery]

so much anger on the internet..give a friend a hug today...a stranger a smile...a dealer the benefit of the doubt....and Cat a kick in the butt to shake their heads loose..

 

[WyoBoy1000]

Bottom line...solve your problems in house BEFORE coming on line to BIATCH about a piss poor dealer experiance! You sound like a 12 year old girl...

Ace

Bottom line is he has been trying, If it is what he states on here I would have gone a lot farther than he did. I give him cred for not bashing but being frustrated with his 12k sled that is going to cost him another 12k. He stated bad service and that is exactly what it was, i e no service is bad service. Then got bent over.

This is like your new pickup window not rolling up so you tape it up because its raining, the dealer lets it sit while you need your truck and then does a factory recall and tries to bill you but does nothing with the window. Then when you say WTF they get bent and take pics then void the warranty on your paint because you put tape on it. It was the factory F up in the first place.

 

[boone]

F**k...I think I need to switch to whiskey after reading this entire thread!


Glad there wasn't any "yo mama's a hooker" or "my daddy can beat up your daddy" cards thrown! Lol

 

[aksnopro]

So a few thoughts while reading this High school drama B.S....


1. The dealer has the right to refuse service to anyone....yell at my M.I.L. so my wife gets pissy with me? There's the door...

2. IF you are sponsored by Boyesen, what is their reaction to the warranty claim? IF you are sponsored, shouldn't they pick up any out of pocket expenses??

Bottom line...solve your problems in house BEFORE coming on line to BIATCH about a piss poor dealer experience! You sound like a 12 year old girl...

Ace

1. he should have refused my sled from the beginning if he didnt want to work on it. counter guy lured me in knowing exactly the state my sled was in and the mods it had. he said he could give me a free belt, that i didnt get from the jack shaft service!

2. boyesen knows they dont have an issue, and im not going to insult them with a false product accusation there not causing the snow ingestion. i run them in my kids ktm 50, kx65 and kx 85. they really help the throttle response and crispness of them little motors. im not really excited about having a sled that i cant run them on, as i will be taking them off. weather it helps my claim or not. but i have yet to have a failure on any of my bikes from any quality reed company. (not saying it doesn't happen) also, i corrected the way you spelt Boyesen

3. bottom line is i talk about all my snow machine problems online. hoping someone might be able to help.

4. i got a ton of good advice about what i could/should do.

5. i like these number things its kinda cool.



-Aksnopro

 

[backcountryislife]

yeah what does the price of tea in china have to do with clutching!

Again... do I really have to explain this to you???


The current price of tea in China is: € 79749.4



not to be confused with a butterfly's wings flapping in China. This price is scientifically derived from numbers only tangentially related to the actual price of tea in China, which we have found is profoundly more accurate than actual prices paid for tea in China. How this affects you, your child, or an acquaintance is derived, again, scientifically, by a patent-pending method we'd love to discuss, but can't, at this time. It has little to nothing to do with the technology behind the magic eight ball. A brief overview of the connections between the price of tea in China and these results (both the price and actual bearing on events) is illustrated here.

Did you know that the current concerns with Hyper-inflation has a lot to do with the price of tea in China? Okay, not tea specifically but the price of food in general within China.
Of course the Fed has assured us that inflation is non-existent. My pocket book and my grocery bill say differently. Apparently the Fed’s have a permission slip to exclude ‘volatile’ items like food from their reports, but I digress.
Regardless of the accuracy in the Fed’s data, there’s something going on in China that should have us all concerned…
* 200 Million migrant workers in China have moved from rural areas to Chinese cities in recent decades, with another 400 million predicted to follow suit in the next 20 years
* China had an urban population of 620 million by the end of 2009, which was 46.6 percent of the nation’s total population. Urban residents are expected to comprise about 52 percent of the Chinese population by 2015.
In short, China is becoming more industrialized and urbanized and this translates into a growing shortage of commodities, food, gas, raw goods, copper, etc… When supply goes down and demand goes up the result is inflation. To this point China has been very effective in managing this, they’ve done this in part by securing resources across the globe, from copper mines in Africa, to land and companies in Australia, Canada and even the US.
As supplies get smaller the Chinese will be funneling these resources directly back to China and this inevitably will result in less supply here in the US despite the fact that there’s still demand (We All Need to Eat). Basically, when the straw that breaks the camels back finally drops supply will drop exponentially and demand will remain if not increase and the end result will be HYPER-INFLATION.
In this type of a scenario- among other things- having food storage in place could be all the difference in your ability to weather what could literally go down in history as the worst economic storm of the century.


your belts cost approximately $13,697.5877 yen. Therefore, your money is obviously better invested in tea, but that investment would depend on the quantity purchased, and more importantly due to inflationary issues, how long it takes to transport this tea back to AK.

I would advise talking to an investment strategist before you buy another belt & see if tea would make more sense.

 

[FCR112]

WTF BCIL

 

[Snostruck]

I ride with ak every weekend sometimes 2 a week . I can say his issues are from day one. I have a 2012 le m8 and have only went through 1 bent in 200 miles. Yes that is still not good but it's not 5-6 belt in 3-400.
Here's how this should have went....
Aksnopro Dave here. Her you have too many mods for me to do warranty work. How would like to handle this. Well Dave I can pull them off no problem. Hey thanks man it normally wouldn't be an issue but cat is getting hard or mods and I don't want to put by Buisness at risk for a warranty claim.

Instead this rat snitch of a dealer takes picks and sends them in.
I bet you never thought a douche bag move would end up costing you money.
And to all the people defending mountain magic. How is this justifiable? Douche bag Dave should have simply told ak to come get his sled and bring it back stock.

And Dave my sled has the same reeds and a bmp exhaust system. I told my dealer about this whole situation and he just laughed. Said y would that void your warranty.
I guess my moral of the story is if you act like a douche you will get treated like one.
Talketna mountain magic has a poopy mouth

 

[backcountryislife]

and to add to my previous statement...

It depends, in China the price of various tea may greatly differ from each other.Even in the same piece,their prices may be different extremely,such as 信陽毛尖茶(Xinyang maoojian tea,abbreviated to XM tea).XM tea with super quality is 5600 yuan(approximate 1000 dollar)per kg.However,XM tea with worst quality is 900 yuan(approximate 130 dollar)per kg,so it is hard to say the interval of price of tea.

Beign that there's such a big range in tea pricing, you'll find this interesting:

Believe it or not, almost all Chinese teas are made from one plant species, known as Camellia sinensis. It
is an evergreen shrub that can grow into a small tree and is native to Southeast China. The plants can
live for up to 100 years and the leaves are harvested year round. (The other plant from which tea is
made is Camellia assamica from India and most tea in the world comes from these two sub-species of
the Camellia plant)


I rarely delve into the economics of tea (thanks to a mysterious number-induced nausea), but I couldn't resist after finding a recent paper by Nancy Qian, a professor of economics at Brown University, entitled "Missing Women and the Price of Tea in China: The Effect of Sex-Specific Earnings on Sex Imbalance."

There has been an ongoing debate (see this 2005 article and a more recent rebuttal) since the coining of the term "missing women," which refers to a significantly male-skewed sex ratio through selective abortion and abandonment of females, especially in places like China, India and Sri Lanka where the cultural preference is for male children.
Many Asian populations are characterized by severe male-biased sex imbalances. For example, whereas 50.1% of the current populations in western European countries are female, only 48.4% are female in India and China. (Qian)
That discrepancy may not seem large, but consider the size of these populations: It translates into 44 million missing women in China in 1990, when the data were first published.

Qian makes the case that economics can directly affect this imbalance, however, and through a surprising source: tea. China is the world's largest producer of tea, churning out 835 metric tons in 2004.

Because of the low height of tea bushes there (about 2 1/2 feet), Chinese women have a distinct, natural advantage over the usually taller men in harvesting the delicate leaves.

If the price of tea rises, then, women's value economically stands to as well. And as tea is such a massive crop in China, this could start to equalize the country's male-skewed sex ratio.
Regarding relative survival rates for girls, increasing the price of tea can operate through [several] channels. First, it can increase the relative desirability of having a girl by increasing parents’ perceptions of daughters’ future earnings relative to that of sons. Second, the increase in total household income can increase the relative desirability of girls if for some reason daughters are luxury goods relative to sons. (Qian)
Paying more for your morning cup of tea, therefore, could be affecting far more than your wallet, if it does mean an increased economic value for women. According to Qian's research, an increase in tea's value boosts female survival rates as well as educational attainment in China.


Backing up my comments I offer this data.

品 名
等 级
批发价（元/斤）
精品信阳毛尖
明前贡品特级
2600

明前一级
1580
高档信阳毛尖
雨前特级
1260

雨前一级
980

雨前二级
880
中档信阳毛尖
一级
680

二级
560

三级
450


"Label","US cents per Kilogram"
Jan 2007 249.70 -
Feb 2007 212.50 -14.90 %
Mar 2007 203.27 -4.34 %
Apr 2007 192.05 -5.52 %
May 2007 190.04 -1.05 %
Jun 2007 202.05 6.32 %
Jul 2007 211.91 4.88 %
Aug 2007 210.39 -0.72 %
Sep 2007 231.25 9.91 %
Oct 2007 224.30 -3.01 %
Nov 2007 209.64 -6.54 %
Dec 2007 206.05 -1.71 %
Jan 2008 229.70 11.48 %
Feb 2008 264.67 15.22 %
Mar 2008 246.29 -6.94 %
Apr 2008 260.91 5.94 %
May 2008 265.14 1.62 %
Jun 2008 284.52 7.31 %
Jul 2008 287.48 1.04 %
Aug 2008 321.90 11.97 %
Sep 2008 321.59 -0.10 %
Oct 2008 282.39 -12.19 %
Nov 2008 241.00 -14.66 %
Dec 2008 228.48 -5.20 %
Jan 2009 261.59 14.49 %
Feb 2009 270.00 3.21 %
Mar 2009 262.86 -2.64 %
Apr 2009 277.41 5.54 %
May 2009 288.00 3.82 %
Jun 2009 287.14 -0.30 %
Jul 2009 337.65 17.59 %
Aug 2009 328.38 -2.75 %
Sep 2009 374.41 14.02 %
Oct 2009 344.77 -7.92 %
Nov 2009 361.05 4.72 %
Dec 2009 374.22 3.65 %
Jan 2010 338.67 -9.50 %
Feb 2010 332.35 -1.87 %
Mar 2010 332.61 0.08 %
Apr 2010 313.59 -5.72 %
May 2010 286.14 -8.75 %
Jun 2010 262.36 -8.31 %
Jul 2010 259.18 -1.21 %
Aug 2010 315.09 21.57 %
Sep 2010 337.18 7.01 %
Oct 2010 339.86 0.79 %
Nov 2010 331.68 -2.41 %
Dec 2010 352.13 6.17 %
Jan 2011 368.10 4.54 %
Feb 2011 349.75 -4.99 %
Mar 2011 330.65 -5.46 %
Apr 2011 325.33 -1.61 %
May 2011 327.68 0.72 %
Jun 2011 334.05 1.94 %
Jul 2011 356.14 6.61 %
Aug 2011 358.17 0.57 %
Sep 2011 362.27 1.14 %
Oct 2011 357.14 -1.42 %
Nov 2011 351.27 -1.64 %
Dec 2011 333.36 -5.10 %

It's pretty obvious if you really think about it.

 

[FCR112]

I think a bibliography is in order...

Sincerely fascinating data

 

[snowmobiler]

Douche bag Dave should have simply told ak to come get his sled and bring it back stock.

maybe cat needs new colorfull warning stickers on the hood for people who dont read the owners manual...engine mods void warranty.

 

[aksnopro]

So how many kg of XM tea will help my belt life, and does it void my warranty?

And if i watch the price of this tea and go for a ride when the prices are right will i get better belt life?

Snostruck i told dave we had another 12 in the shop with reeds and his cowling fits perfect. He just looked at me and then continued to disagre like i was lieing!??

Blah well see what endsup happening..

Fact is as a customer feeling violated dave thought i couldnt do anything except bend over, well were in a new erra dave. The world wibe web my friend. You might think twice before you look someome in the eye and tellem "oh and i sent pictures of your reeds to cat, have fun with that" with a dicklike tone...

I know right now hes regretting handling the situation like he did. If i didnt post it he wouldnt be, and he would still think the reeds were the issue, he would still think the strap was junk, he would think the overtightened nut was causing all the belt issues...

But none of the above is true... So im glad i posted, cause i bet he hears me now..... He cant disagree with 20 people telling him even if they were longer (which there not) it wouldn't be an issue! And with seceral people posting that they dont have fitment issues with the same reeds!

-Aksnopro

 

[backcountryislife]

So how many kg of XM tea will help my belt life, and does it void my warranty?

And if i watch the price of this tea and go for a ride when the prices are right will i get better belt life?

Well... I'm glad you asked. Good question btw, I can tell you did your homework!


IF you were to invest in this tea as of now, with prices being what they are, you will be looking at a ROI that may put you in a situation where you could ACTUALLY afford to ride your new sled which IS pretty exciting news!!!


Fortunately for you the tea WILL NOT affect your warranty, well... that is unless you allow Dave to take pictures of it.

Also, as to the belt life issue, if you rub it all over the belt, the tea oil will provide a strengthening effect which should give you approximately 17.5 KM more per belt, saving you approximately $13.25 per week... but ONLY if you switch your odometer to KM... otherwise this effect is negated.


btw... at some point send Dave the definition of the term "Non sequitur"... this may explain some things to him.

 

[catweasel]

How about compared to the price of coffee in Costa Rica?

I have read this thread a few times and all I can come up with is that this Dave guy is a serious duche.

 

[Dartos]

Try and use this when in litigation with the manufactures. You WILL not win. Sure, they can not void warranty on a panel or such. But enhance your engine, in any way, and see where that will get you when your engine fails.

Been through this years ago with many vehicle enhancements. You fight the manufacturer and you will lose.

Sam

Good point. Unfortunately DEEP POCKETS usually win.

 

[backcountryislife]

How about compared to the price of coffee in Costa Rica?

I'll do some research & get back to you tomorrow....

 

[Ace Freely]

4 "BAD POST" ratings...

High school drama B.S....

...looks like I hit the nail squarly on the head!!

...I empathize with you having problems with your sled! And I don't feel like the reeds should have ANYTHING to do with a no warranty clause. Perhaps I didn't read carefully enough, but why didn't you take it to the selling dealer?


Ace


...and boys, I don't give 2 shats about your post ratings! Kind of humors me that you would take the time to do so!!