Fix the economy?
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I certainly hope your not trying to blame Obama for gas prices...
Near $4 a gallon I wish it averages $4.10 right in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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. You can find it cheaper but not much. FYI the Presidents doesn’t control the price of gas. The world commodity markets and the speculators on Wall Street do. Greed is the driving force behind gas prices.
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To fix the economy this country has to start supporting and promoting its greatest asset "The next generation" If this country spent 1% of the military's budget paying teachers to educate the next generation just think of what the next American innovation could be. However it is easier to use fear tactics if the electorate is kept ignorant.
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. You can find it cheaper but not much. FYI the Presidents doesn’t control the price of gas. The world commodity markets and the speculators on Wall Street do. Greed is the driving force behind gas prices.<O
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</OTo fix the economy this country has to start supporting and promoting its greatest asset "The next generation" If this country spent 1% of the military's budget paying teachers to educate the next generation just think of what the next American innovation could be. However it is easier to use fear tactics if the electorate is kept ignorant.
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Oregonsledder
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Near $4 a gallon I wish it averages $4.10 right in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com</st1:City>Reno</ST1
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To fix the economy this country has to start supporting and promoting its greatest asset "The next generation" If this country spent 1% of the military's budget paying teachers to educate the next generation just think of what the next American innovation could be. However it is easier to use fear tactics if the electorate is kept ignorant.
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I agree we need to better educate our kids, it’s embarrassing to see how far down the list we are world wide when it comes to math and science skills with graduating classes.
I’m not convinced that spending more money is the solution. I have recently seen some reports showing that over the last 10 years, as spending on education has increased, test scores have gone down. Obviously there are exceptions in some areas, but throwing more money at the problem doesn’t seem to be smart.
Look at K through 12 curriculum theses days. They waste amazing amounts of time teaching social positions instead of good basics on math and science.
Then there are the teachers unions that reward tenure not teaching excellence.
Education reform focused on the basic skills, is what is needed not more money. I assure you that in India and the other countries that are kicking our butts, there isn’t near the focus on sports, and the fact that two dads can raise a family. They teach math and science and they are wining.
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In theory your idea works if you can build something and sell it for 100% profit. Good luck on that.
Our government does not borrow to build something and sell it for a profit. It borrows to spend more without having the "where with all " to pay it back
Foreign countries are not buying U.S. bonds as they use to.
The reason being is our credit worthines is not as good as it was.
Try getting a 100k construction loan if you are low on assets and are building on speculation.
I can't believe people are in favor for the military because of it's stimulus. Goes to show the major problem with the population: everyone wants government to be cut except for the stuff that effects them or they are in favor of.
IMO the days of needing a strong military are over. If we took half of the military budget and put it towards technologies to reduce our dependence on foreign fuels we would be much better off.
IMO the days of needing a strong military are over. If we took half of the military budget and put it towards technologies to reduce our dependence on foreign fuels we would be much better off.
OregonSledder I agree with part of what you are saying. There are problems with the system no doubt!! but I feel the majority of the problems are caused by the lack of funding not because of unions or bad teachers. There are a lot of outside forces that contribute to the decline of our educational system. Comparing our educational system to different cultures is not a strong argument because you are not comparing apples to apples in my opinion. But i strongly agree with the idea of less focus on sports which have their place mind you and more focus on the things that matter more like math and science
Ruffryder I agree with you in part as well. It seems like the military is the only Corporation in the US <ST1</ST1that refuse to downsize and streamline itself with the times. Again it is getting back to the idea of fear. Even though are military is larger then the next 10-15 countries combine there is a fear that it is not strong enough or big enough. And how do we keep people fearful??? Please re-read the first paragraph again.
<O</OThe BIG business of war has changed since the era of size matters. Let me preface this by saying that there needs to be HUGE cuts to the military budget. I saw this discussion on the military budget and the experts were saying that it is so large that no one really knows for sure just how big it is because of its size and complexity. There is not a line item that says this is their budget and it was said that the military itself keeps it that way. If it is unknown fact then people cant really argue that it is TOO large and needs to be cut. However now that it is as big as it is, one can not overlook how far reaching the effects would be on the economy in certain areas of the country if the cuts were not done wisely. Just like the auto industry there are thousands of smaller companies that survive because of things they produce that are ultimately used by the military. Not to mention the civilian work force that also supports the military. <O</O
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That is why this is such a complex thing to fix. Everything thing at some level is interconnected and will be effected by other things.<O</O
Ruffryder I agree with you in part as well. It seems like the military is the only Corporation in the US <ST1
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</OThe BIG business of war has changed since the era of size matters. Let me preface this by saying that there needs to be HUGE cuts to the military budget. I saw this discussion on the military budget and the experts were saying that it is so large that no one really knows for sure just how big it is because of its size and complexity. There is not a line item that says this is their budget and it was said that the military itself keeps it that way. If it is unknown fact then people cant really argue that it is TOO large and needs to be cut. However now that it is as big as it is, one can not overlook how far reaching the effects would be on the economy in certain areas of the country if the cuts were not done wisely. Just like the auto industry there are thousands of smaller companies that survive because of things they produce that are ultimately used by the military. Not to mention the civilian work force that also supports the military. <O</O<O
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The problem with education in my opinion is parents these days. They don't push their children to do well in school and put more emphasis on sports and such. I mean if I got a bad grade even when I was in elementary school(a bad grade was a C) I knew it was gonna be bad news bears when i got home. Often times the ones who do well don't even study that much, just pay attention during school.
greed = supply and demand? You know who's fault it is to be at the tit of the oil producers... I will give you a hint, it isn't the oil producers. How about America get some responsibility for itself...
Most people are ignorant due to lazyness. The information and knowledge is out there, but the people have forgot to come to their own conclusions about anything anymore. Or don't actually care enough to dedicate the time it takes to learn about something.
I don't think throwing money at the problem will solve it (ie teachers salaries). Due to myself having a 1 year old, I have been reading numerous books on child rearing. It is interesting how much Americans do wrong in child rearing. If parents raise crappy kids, then it is no wonder they turn out to be crappy adults.. Something to think about.
What is constantly being shown and proven to kids is that education doesn't always pay. You can make a lot of money in sales of owning your own business than getting an education and working for someone else. Another issue is that kids are not interested in the sciences. One of the big impacts of NASA was that it got kids into the engineering / science fields. I would like to see something similar to NASA but devoted to energy and water.
Anyways, as always, some of my random thoughts. This topic sure has been interesting.
I believe that many in the military have stated that the debt is becoming an issue of national security. Also, the military has recently been going through and reducing / streamlining itself so that it can prepare for cuts that are on the way and to try and avoid the across the board cuts that will occur when congress fails to reduce the budget.
Don't we as a society put more emphasis on sports then should be? Should we really expect parents to behave any differently? Same can be said about debt and government. People are so far in debt and yet complain that the government is as well.
Anyone find that odd?
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snowmobiler
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sports help computor generation kids get some excersize.LOL
Hey Ruffryder
Are you picking on my Ruff HeHe
I think that is the other way around but your point is made Supply and demand = greed in my opinion. but you are right it takes supply AND demand. I did not say money is the only fix and if i implied that i apologize. Why are kids not interested in science and math anymore because out outside influences that are saying that is not needed.
And yes you dont need an education to make money in this world. just look and snooki selling picture of her kid for $250 grand. but the other side of that coin is that you do need to be smart to aquire wealth
Yes we do put too much emphasis on sports today but that generates revenue and that seems to be what this country is focused on making money at all costs
Polaris there is a lot of truth to that for sure. I would not say "pushing" would not be the term I would use because that in itself can and has lead to issues. I know what you are saying though I would say parents need to take more interest in what their kids are doing and encourage them to do their best at whatever level that is. We all can't be number one but when you realize that the people that are at the top have gotten there with the help from the people they chose to surround themselves with. If you are on the top floor you better have a good foundation and good support around you are you are not going to be there very long. I don’t care how much individual drive you have. Please none of this " they are saying You didnt build this" carp its reality.
However when both parents have to work and struggle just to make ends meet the kids always seems to suffer the most. Not making excuses because it is what it is.
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I struggled all the way though school with B's & C and resented the kids that did not seem to work hard at all. But my mom and dad encouraged me to do better next time and did not put me done because I was struggling. Its funny looking back now to realize that some of those so called "A" students have never been able function in the real world because they could not think on their own after they graduated.<O</O
Are you picking on my Ruff HeHe
I think that is the other way around but your point is made Supply and demand = greed in my opinion. but you are right it takes supply AND demand. I did not say money is the only fix and if i implied that i apologize. Why are kids not interested in science and math anymore because out outside influences that are saying that is not needed.
And yes you dont need an education to make money in this world. just look and snooki selling picture of her kid for $250 grand. but the other side of that coin is that you do need to be smart to aquire wealth
Yes we do put too much emphasis on sports today but that generates revenue and that seems to be what this country is focused on making money at all costs
Polaris there is a lot of truth to that for sure. I would not say "pushing" would not be the term I would use because that in itself can and has lead to issues. I know what you are saying though I would say parents need to take more interest in what their kids are doing and encourage them to do their best at whatever level that is. We all can't be number one but when you realize that the people that are at the top have gotten there with the help from the people they chose to surround themselves with. If you are on the top floor you better have a good foundation and good support around you are you are not going to be there very long. I don’t care how much individual drive you have. Please none of this " they are saying You didnt build this" carp its reality.
However when both parents have to work and struggle just to make ends meet the kids always seems to suffer the most. Not making excuses because it is what it is.
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</OI went ahead and corrected that statement for you Ruff HeHe. I believe that the military is very fearful of the mandatory cuts that will go into effect because of the standoff in washington over the debt. But it is pretty obvious that they have to do more then they are now. And get our troops home already haventy they suffered enough.
Regarding the military & the resources required to maintain this beast, here is my un-educated opinion...............
We seem to be very eager to help, where ever help is needed even if assistance is unwanted.
I would prefer we keep to ourselves.
Like a sleeping giant, we should let much of the minor stuff go, refusing to be baited into a fight.
But when we have had enough, we wake to fight, we fight to win QUICKLY showing absolutely no mercy to our adversary. It sickens me that we send our youth to battle to lose their limbs & lives and at the end of the day the general population has no idea WHY.
Lastly, after we have leveled some 3rd world 5hithole we turn our backs & go home. We don't spend billions rebuilding the 5hithole.
After we have made an example of how we will retaliate, other will begin to think twice about phuquing with us.
my 2 cents...sorry or the ramble.
We seem to be very eager to help, where ever help is needed even if assistance is unwanted.
I would prefer we keep to ourselves.
Like a sleeping giant, we should let much of the minor stuff go, refusing to be baited into a fight.
But when we have had enough, we wake to fight, we fight to win QUICKLY showing absolutely no mercy to our adversary. It sickens me that we send our youth to battle to lose their limbs & lives and at the end of the day the general population has no idea WHY.
Lastly, after we have leveled some 3rd world 5hithole we turn our backs & go home. We don't spend billions rebuilding the 5hithole.
After we have made an example of how we will retaliate, other will begin to think twice about phuquing with us.
my 2 cents...sorry or the ramble.
Isn't Afghanistan proof that the above doesn't work?
in what way did it not work? It saved us plenty and the Afgans do not bother us.
When I refer to leveling a 5hithole, what we have done in afganistan would seem like a potluck dinner.
We gots planes, we gots bombs if you catch my drift.
I guess I meant when we trained Osama bin Laden and were allies with the Taliban to defeat the Soviets from invading their country. When it was over, every one left, leaving a power vacuum and minimal infrastructure that was filled by the Taliban. I think we all know what happens after that.
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