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Clutching the P-22 Boost

Just saw A2D post a picture of these on IG today. Looks like SLP is hard at work tucking some weight behind the tip. seems like Dalton also has a weight to chase this. Very curious to get some of these options on the snow and see if we can really let the boost eat like it should.

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C&S seems a bit closer to the BMP Snypr weights. Most aftermarket seem to allow for added tip weight, except Boondocker (not sure why).

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Then you have Speedwerx....

Boondocker....

EPI....

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I know only 3%ers care, but has anybody had a chance to compare the profile of any of these new weights to stock?
 
I know only 3%ers care, but has anybody had a chance to compare the profile of any of these new weights to stock?
Good question Dave.

I hope to not offended anyone by following info.

Understanding Drive clutch weights.

if you check almost every aftermarket weight made the profiles are almost always a copy of a Polaris 10 series.

Calling out profiles is a little complex. ( complex because sometimes heel contact position with the clutch moveable Heel pad is changed ).

Example :

SLP MTX - Slightly taller heel which closes the drive clutch and lowers engagement with the same spring and makes low end throttle response seem and ( FEEL ) like less throttle response. ( Sometimes requires Drive clutch disassembly and spider re-shimming ) The reason they feel like this is because the SLP MTX weights ( More Mass above the pin center-line ) bites the belt harder then almost any 10 series type copy

Tri-City Polaris, TRS, old style Arctic Cat weights all have a cut heel Requires Drive clutch disassembly and spider re-shimming ) that drops the weight deeper into the clutch which puts more mass down under the pin center line raising engagement with the same spring decreasing belt pressure & bite increasing low end belt slippage ( Feels like better throttle response ) the reason it feels like more throttle response is because all cut heel weights have less belt bite and more low-end belt slippage.

Any stock or any aftermarket 10 Series copy ( No shimming and most are the average between both the above listEd examples. ( The reason the factory uses the heel position they do is because it’s a pretty good fit the average user best. ( and of course NON adjustable ) Most Adjustable weights give good clutch tuners advantages that NON adjustable weights cannot give.

The reason most companies copy the 10 series is to keep drive clutch belt to sheave shimming the same as stock so no drive clutch shimming is required.

Lets understand this important fact ( Clutch weights do not change a motors throttle response at the same RPM )

Springs raise engagement or lower engagement

At a givien RPM Clutch weights either slip the belt or they do not ( Throttle response is a motor by product and driven clutch helix and spring combo ) responsible for keeping the motor in its power curve giving the drive clutch weights fit the operators personal feel.

Slipping the belt causes belt heat and wears grooves in the bottom of the drive clutch.

Cut heel weights of any kind cause poor cold morning take offs or reverse operation.

High heel weights like SLP MTX ( Or adjustable weights thatcan be loaded towards the Pin ) increase cold morning belt performance with higher low end belt pressure )

10 series fall dead center between high heel and cut heel weights.

There is no free lunch ( Understanding clutch weights will help you purchase what’s the best personal fit for you.)

A better example then list above ( If you own a Polaris UTV Side x side ) of any kind then you have experienced belt slippage at epic levels.)

No current production recreational vehicle is clutched worse then a Polaris UTV or side x side.

Indy Specialty UTV & Side x side clutch weights relatively eliminate belt slippage and increase belt life by a 10X factor & Drive clutch sheave wear is 95% less. And low end take of and trailer loading and pulling take off is much smoother and your head doesn’t snap at take off.

The Polaris UTV & Side x side stock clutching is an Example of worst OEM belt slippage and the most OEM clutch wear & owner expense.

UTV & Side x Side OEM Clutches and OEM clutch setups should NOT need electric fans to get a belt to last.


Dan
 
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Now there is a hint in to the complexities of the drive clutch weights.

and tip comparison is one thing ( Roller contact area is another can of worms that effects belt bite and or slip.
 
Now there is a hint in to the complexities of the drive clutch weights.

and tip comparison is one thing ( Roller contact area is another can of worms that effects belt bite and or slip.
One thing about the P22 and the P85. Belt to sheave measurements (with stock weights and belt)on the P22 have been around the .080+ measurement.
The P85 has been any where from .000” to .120”.
I had a new clutch come in the shop with a .120” belt to sheave measurement. I made a call to ask how can the stock belt to sheave from the factory be .120”. I got a chuckle, and he responded “the spec we are allowed is .000-.120”. “
That is why every sled owner needs to check belt to sheave for ultimate performance even if you stay with stock clutching.

Now getting to roller contact, that is another can of worms. The closer you can get your spider to the moveable sheave the more belt squeeze you will get.
TRS weights get that measurement .030” closer than a set of any style 10 series weights.
The new generation Arctic Cat weights run about the same .030” measurement, but the Arctic weights tuck to far below the pin causing high engagement and belt slip(refer to previous pic)
Polaris has ran the antiquated 10 series weight for to long. Polaris has offered the 11 series and the S weights to compensate but they have the same heal to roller location. In my opinion the S series weights would be a compromise that would be ideal for most consumers.

Once you get a weight to it’s neutral position, it’s done, it cannot procure more shift out of your primary. A deep or heavy tip weight can accomplish that task because it’s neutral position sets the weight higher in the shift. A little tuck and some tip weight gets it done. Why do you think every aftermarket manufacture of P22 weights are trying to get tip weight? Think about that.

When Polaris went to the new P85 with larger rollers and a different pin height the old/new generation Arctic weights and Polaris P,J,L,M weights had to much tuck. Which in turn causes high engagement and belt slip.
There is a happy medium between the two. You must find that niche to make clutching happy.
 
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You can see roller contact differences here in this pic.
Same weights. P22 left, Arctic AC right.
The first RXL primary had a heal seat set screw (in the moveable)that you could manipulate tuck and/or roller contact. SLP also offered a shim kit that went under the heal to do the same.
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Can you adjust the belt to sheave clearance on the P22 with shims like the P85? Or, are you stuck with what you get from Polaris, which means the only way to adjust is a different set of weights that close the belt to sheave gap?
 
Can you adjust the belt to sheave clearance on the P22 with shims like the P85? Or, are you stuck with what you get from Polaris, which means the only way to adjust is a different set of weights that close the belt to sheave gap?

As of now, there isn’t a way to adjust belt to sheave.
 
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You can see roller contact differences here in this pic.
Same weights. P22 left, Arctic AC right.
The first RXL primary had a heal seat set screw (in the moveable)that you could manipulate tuck and/or roller contact. SLP also offered a shim kit that went under the heal to do the same.
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The good old Days ! ? And as Tony mentioned the transition into the big roller was a complex change and Polaris should have made the it an option to get a small diameter roller that was wider as an aftermarket order opti9n for those that liked that spider spacing To pin center line.
 
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