P-22 Ultimate Clutch Bolt - Fire N Ice/ARP

[Reeb]

I wish they'd leave ATV clutching designs away from snowmobiling.

The P-22 flaw is that the outer sheave is constantly slamming against the clutch bolt head when the sled is in operation. Add in the vibration & the force of holding the clutch on it is a lot to ask of a single bolt. The Carbonsled sheave connector eliminates the stress the outer sheave puts on the clutch bolt. Adding this ARP clutch bolt will help I imagine but still would not trust it by itself to do all the work.

 

[Fire-n-Ice Performance]

The stubs do not eliminate stress on the bolt. The clutch produces >1000lb of force in the axial direction. The stubs only produce about 500lb of clamp, so they will help a lot.
Running both is probably a good idea.

Our ARP produces 50% more clamp than the stock bolt so the clutch now can operate as one solid unit.

The P-22 flaw is that the outer sheave is constantly slamming against the clutch bolt head when the sled is in operation. Add in the vibration & the force of holding the clutch on it is a lot to ask of a single bolt. The Carbonsled sheave connector eliminates the stress the outer sheave puts on the clutch bolt. Adding this ARP clutch bolt will help I imagine but still would not trust it by itself to do all the work.

 

[Fire-n-Ice Performance]

We cover what we make. Can't be responsible for other companies' products.

Oops. I was talking about Polaris. No aftermarket manufacturer is gonna help with anything other than what went wrong with their part.

 

[Fire-n-Ice Performance]

I wish we didn't have to do this, but we have been scammed a few too many times over the years

Yup, you have to dig around to find the warranty page, but (no surprise), the bolt is all that's covered. Give the replacement to a friend and suck it up and buy a P-85 if that goes. You have to send them the old one too (at your expense), but it's hard to imagine they'd refuse to cover it. I doubt they'll even take a close look, it's just to make sure they can't get scammed into giving bolts away.

 

[Fire-n-Ice Performance]

In-stock and shipping for a couple of weeks now!

Doesn’t ship until around February but could be interesting.

I dropped my 9r at the dealer yesterday for its 3rd warranty clutch work. Warranty runs out Monday lol.

 

[BeartoothBaron]

I wish we didn't have to do this, but we have been scammed a few too many times over the years

Yeah, I totally understand your position. I'll be curious to see if the P-22 is able to break one of your bolts (assuming proper torque and all). Hopefully not. If I had a P-22, I'd pay the money rather than wait and see on the stock bolt though; if it saves a day of riding and a tow out, it's worth several times the asking price.

 

[ratlover]

Yup, you have to dig around to find the warranty page, but (no surprise), the bolt is all that's covered. Give the replacement to a friend and suck it up and buy a P-85 if that goes. You have to send them the old one too (at your expense), but it's hard to imagine they'd refuse to cover it. I doubt they'll even take a close look, it's just to make sure they can't get scammed into giving bolts away.

On a Cat product I had an issue and took some pictures with my receipt said I had a failure and they responded to my email with a sorry and we are a replacement. Not saying they will do that for a bolt or haven't changed policy but my personal experience was warranty was very easy. Bolt may be different because easy for some asshat to cut a stocker in 1/2 and get a free bolt from them. Also when I was buying some stuff they called(like on the phone, didn’t know companies did that unless trying to sell my an extended warranty on my car lol) to check if I had a 600 or an 858 because one of the things I ordered wouldn’t fit the 858. Just my experience but Ive been happy with customer service from them.

 

[wonderxc600]

How are the 25 factory bolts holding up compared to other years. I just bought a 25 boost, so I'm curious, but one of the first things I did was buy one of these bolts

 

[Ultrasauras]

450 miles on mine so far I checked the torque after ever trip and it hasn’t moved at all.

 

[RMK-King]

Just ordered a couple of them for extra peace of mind.

 

[JH@CM]

How are the 25 factory bolts holding up compared to other years. I just bought a 25 boost, so I'm curious, but one of the first things I did was buy one of these bolts

There have been some stock 25 bolt failures.

As noted in many posts, the primary issue (pun intended) is the P-22 clutch design puts tremendous stress on the bolt as it's bearing the brunt of force from the movable sheave.

Better bolts and sleeve solutions are available (per this thread and others). It's not a matter of if something in the primary fails, it's when.

 

[Tjyak50]

Watching my 2025 stock bolt also. Digital torque wrench initially got a little movement and none since.

The torsional vibration concerns me more than tension load failure but it would take a proper lab to see the broken pieces to know for sure.

I asked my dealer if they’d seen 2025 failures and the answer was “not much”. That sounds like a Yes to me.

 

[Madtown]

I plan on replacing the stock bolt every 400 miles. It is cheap insurance.

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

I plan on replacing the stock bolt every 400 miles. It is cheap insurance.

That's not a good plan.

I've seen a bunch of broken bolts around 30-150 miles.

 

[Tjyak50]

I wish there was real data on Time In Service and actual (calibrated) torque value history.

Even Matt’s most recent Muskoka video had a failure of a legacy bolt (likely not diligently torqued?)

 

[bb900]

i have 2200 miles on original bolt 23 boost only checked once at 1900 miles slight movement

 

[Driver]

 

[carbontj]

If you need to pull the clutch OFF you will need top use a torch to heat up the threads..the Green loctite will for sure need heat!!!! to remove the carbon sleds part...

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

If you need to pull the clutch OFF you will need top use a torch to heat up the threads..the Green loctite will for sure need heat!!!! to remove the carbon sleds part...

Yep that's what the directions say.

 

[KStrand]

680 miles on my '25 boost, retorqued after every ride, bolt moved about a quarter turn for the first 200 miles but hasn't moved since then on the retorques.