Chain case life Gen 5

[EternalWinter]

In my opinion issue is not the drive shaft, its the poor quality chain and sprockets used in us/can. I doubt there would have been any issues with old Hyvo chain and sprockets. But Im sure brp will address this issue for the next season and will update ´23 units too.

The issue is the two piece shaft. Yes, all the US stuff got the silent chain instead of the HYVO but doesn't matter what the chain or gears are if the bottom gear is wobbling stretching the chain and eventually walking it off then binding up and shattering the gear because it has no center shear strength because it's hole punched. The gears and chain are just going to fail later down the road. Seen it happen with several Lynx (with Aurora chain and gears) delivered around here. Lasted a bit longer over all but still failed. Chains just being released this week....
Had my chain (23 Freeride 165 TR) stretching so much during each ride from new it was ridiculous. 1.5-3 turns each ride for the first 260 miles. Change oil after break in and it was gross. Open case and marks all over the bottom area, forward, back, inner hub area. Gear is wobbling around a lot to mark the inner bearing hub... Changed to a single shaft at 300 miles, using a solid gear (silent chain cut) from a '19, silent chain that came on the '23, and the stock upper gear. 520 miles later the total adjustment needed as been 1 turn. Half a turn at about 500 miles and a half a turn this past weekend. It's not the chains as the problem, they are just showing the wear and failing due to other parts not working correctly. Have a guy here been running a silent chain setup on his '21 850 Turbo with a stage 2 tune because his HYVO chain broke a plate and none were shipping. Hasn't had any issues with the gears or chain either. Yes the HYVO and Aurora are suppose to be stronger over all but it doesn't matter if the thing driving it is the problem. On top of that, imagine what your losing in power lose because the chain is kinking and binding trying to run around in there like a drunk snake...
Anyway, hope they fix it for the rest but I doubt that will happen.

I do agree with you on the drivers, they stock ones are pretty lousy and have been for years. Once they ratchet they will keep doing it and getting worse. Any of the aftermarket ones are better by far.

 

[Norona]

The issue is the two piece shaft. Yes, all the US stuff got the silent chain instead of the HYVO but doesn't matter what the chain or gears are if the bottom gear is wobbling stretching the chain and eventually walking it off then binding up and shattering the gear because it has no center shear strength because it's hole punched. The gears and chain are just going to fail later down the road. Seen it happen with several Lynx (with Aurora chain and gears) delivered around here. Lasted a bit longer over all but still failed. Chains just being released this week....
Had my chain (23 Freeride 165 TR) stretching so much during each ride from new it was ridiculous. 1.5-3 turns each ride for the first 260 miles. Change oil after break in and it was gross. Open case and marks all over the bottom area, forward, back, inner hub area. Gear is wobbling around a lot to mark the inner bearing hub... Changed to a single shaft at 300 miles, using a solid gear (silent chain cut) from a '19, silent chain that came on the '23, and the stock upper gear. 520 miles later the total adjustment needed as been 1 turn. Half a turn at about 500 miles and a half a turn this past weekend. It's not the chains as the problem, they are just showing the wear and failing due to other parts not working correctly. Have a guy here been running a silent chain setup on his '21 850 Turbo with a stage 2 tune because his HYVO chain broke a plate and none were shipping. Hasn't had any issues with the gears or chain either. Yes the HYVO and Aurora are suppose to be stronger over all but it doesn't matter if the thing driving it is the problem. On top of that, imagine what your losing in power lose because the chain is kinking and binding trying to run around in there like a drunk snake...
Anyway, hope they fix it for the rest but I doubt that will happen.

I do agree with you on the drivers, they stock ones are pretty lousy and have been for years. Once they ratchet they will keep doing it and getting worse. Any of the aftermarket ones are better by far.

1800 miles on one of my sleds and this is what it looked like,

 

[Frankthetank79]

1800 miles on one of my sleds and this is what it looked like,

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Thanks Dave glad to know it’s not all doom and gloom [emoji106] have 5 G5 Turbos and we’re all over 1400km and one guy is at 3000km and no failures [emoji2369]


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[kittykitty_900]

Same with me, I'm at 1400 now and the others in our group are all more then that. So far so good. Only tightened mine twice since new and about 1/2 turn each time.

 

[turboless terry]

Miles are harder on them than kilometers

 

[Answ3r]

Miles are harder on them than kilometers

1.6x exactly ! haha

 

[10003514]

It is 100% how you ride your sled. Km don’t mean much. I get a belt to last 500-800km identical sled in my group almost 3000km but is an intermediate rider. There is going to be lots of guys with zero failure and lots of guys with failure. I was very very diligent with checking my tension every ride, changed my oil and at 1800km boom catastrophic failure. BRP knows there is an issue, they are suppose to have hyvo as per the parts fishe but to get sleds to customers on time they sourced other parts. My sleds been sitting for over a month with no ETA cause there are no parts available, lots of failures in my area. 2 piece drive shaft needs to go and put in hyvo.

 

[Norona]

It is 100% how you ride your sled. Km don’t mean much. I get a belt to last 500-800km identical sled in my group almost 3000km but is an intermediate rider. There is going to be lots of guys with zero failure and lots of guys with failure. I was very very diligent with checking my tension every ride, changed my oil and at 1800km boom catastrophic failure. BRP knows there is an issue, they are suppose to have hyvo as per the parts fishe but to get sleds to customers on time they sourced other parts. My sleds been sitting for over a month with no ETA cause there are no parts available, lots of failures in my area. 2 piece drive shaft needs to go and put in hyvo.

Makes zero sence in the real world, but keep telling your ego that....ha ha

 

[10003514]

Makes zero sence in the real world, but keep telling your ego that....ha ha

Norona I respect you but this is a ridiculous comment. I’m stating fact with my experience so where’s the make zero sense? There’s hard riders in my group and intermediate riders… let’s guess which ones have more parts failures regardless of brand..no ego here. Skidoo provided subpar parts that work but are not 100% failure free.

 

[live2beel]

Makes zero sence in the real world, but keep telling your ego that....ha ha

So Dave, in all honesty. Have you seen any broken chains/ cases this riding season on the Gen5?

 

[Norona]

Norona I respect you but this is a ridiculous comment. I’m stating fact with my experience so where’s the make zero sense? There’s hard riders in my group and intermediate riders… let’s guess which ones have more parts failures regardless of brand..no ego here. Skidoo provided subpar parts that work but are not 100% failure free.

Actually a top rider is easier, smarter on parts of what they can do and push in the right limit over an intermediate rider who will put themselves in a position and then use all the throttle to get out in the worse way so actually harder on the machine, especially in the wrong part of where it matters. There has no doubt been more issues around the chain case this season, however off production we saw chains too tight, too loose, how many riders actually check their tension on the first ride? Then big landings from full pin to a stop, then guys saying its the chain where there are a number of cases where chain is fine and bottom gear is shattered, then some where gears are fine and chain is broken, then definitely strong riders who have broken, but there are also riders who are not strong riders who have. It sucks that any of it has happened but you have no idea of the number, the different issues it could be or who it is happening and using your group as the means for the entire world is highly inaccurate. I bet there is under 100 cases of thise for the production of units but of course they are lumped into the same pile and there can be many different reasons for failure and also there is the fact that many riders are not truthful of their story on the internet. Like I said before if guys are worried they can change to gears and chain that will be in 2024 as I listed before #504154569 - 53 tooth, #504154313 116 clink chain, #504154567 21 tooth , I did this cause I was sent the parts, and mine looked brand new as posted. Mine machines had initial stretch and then stopped, more than hyvo but no issue. Some guys are saying they are adjusting their chain every ride, I bet they are over tightening it big time. And also if it is stretching that much I would change to parts mentioned. I ride super deep snow in BC coastal and all over BC, we have been riding steep drainages all season with deep snow and also pinning it up steep hills tandeming riders with 400 plus pounds of riders and gear.

 

[Norona]

So Dave, in all honesty. Have you seen any broken chains/ cases this riding season on the Gen5?

Obliviously I have seen on forum, and in case reports, but not in the field in the whislter area, there have been 4-5 at no limits none at gvp. Again when you see the whole picture of sled production and number of cases, then you see a different picture. Of course I want there to be zero, which will never be the case. But there is not just one reason for all of this and you wont ever get an accurate reading from guys on the forum. The accuracy comes from dealer cases and warranty claims. There is no doubt these forums create unnecessary worry, but it is also good to get guys to be aware of stuff etc. As I have stated if you are worried I have included a parts list of what you can do to put stronger parts in , or you can just ride your machine.

 

[Norona]

Thanks Dave glad to know it’s not all doom and gloom [emoji106] have 5 G5 Turbos and we’re all over 1400km and one guy is at 3000km and no failures [emoji2369]


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you must be a ****ty rider like me....

 

[10003514]

Actually a top rider is easier, smarter on parts of what they can do and push in the right limit over an intermediate rider who will put themselves in a position and then use all the throttle to get out in the worse way so actually harder on the machine, especially in the wrong part of where it matters. There has no doubt been more issues around the chain case this season, however off production we saw chains too tight, too loose, how many riders actually check their tension on the first ride? Then big landings from full pin to a stop, then guys saying its the chain where there are a number of cases where chain is fine and bottom gear is shattered, then some where gears are fine and chain is broken, then definitely strong riders who have broken, but there are also riders who are not strong riders who have. It sucks that any of it has happened but you have no idea of the number, the different issues it could be or who it is happening and using your group as the means for the entire world is highly inaccurate. I bet there is under 100 cases of thise for the production of units but of course they are lumped into the same pile and there can be many different reasons for failure and also there is the fact that many riders are not truthful of their story on the internet. Like I said before if guys are worried they can change to gears and chain that will be in 2024 as I listed before #504154569 - 53 tooth, #504154313 116 clink chain, #504154567 21 tooth , I did this cause I was sent the parts, and mine looked brand new as posted. Mine machines had initial stretch and then stopped, more than hyvo but no issue. Some guys are saying they are adjusting their chain every ride, I bet they are over tightening it big time. And also if it is stretching that much I would change to parts mentioned. I ride super deep snow in BC coastal and all over BC, we have been riding steep drainages all season with deep snow and also pinning it up steep hills tandeming riders with 400 plus pounds of riders and gear.

Yeah that’s all fun, I’m south of Revy in some of the best snow all year 40+ days. Personally witnessed multiple failures and not just my group. A top rider is more in tune with his machine but is not easier on his machine lol when it’s chest deep you are to the bar all day. Things fail.

 

[EternalWinter]

1800 miles on one of my sleds and this is what it looked like,

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Yeah, great for you and the others that haven't had an issue or problem yet. Happy for you. However, those of us the have had problems or did something so we didn't have problems in the field shouldn't have in the first place. Yes, parts fail, but not on the scale that we are seeing this year. So much so that parts haven't been available for several weeks or more in dinner cases.
Mine was a preventative measure because of what I found on mine after 260 miles. And, yes, everything was checked regularly and kept correct. For me the big tattle tale was the rub marks on the bearing hub from the back of the gear. Not too mention the marks all around the inner and outer case halves by the bottom gear.
I boils down to trusting your machine. After this and seeing others having more catastrophic problems I couldn't trust it. My rides are not next to a road access area most the time, they are out of cell range, and walking or doubling out is not an option I'd like to entertain as a "ya, I can always do that..." option. Not to mention recovering the dead sled after that.
Want to talk numbers? How many 2020.5-2022 turbo sleds had problems with chains, gears, or cases? How many of those same years sleds had cases that looked like that inside. I know none of mine did/do not any of the 100+ sleds I've worked on have of that generation and some on them were pretty abused otherwise. I also think it's pretty poor practice that if you were in need of changing the track why you wouldn't want to open the case to see that everything is good in there. What's it really saving, 10 mins over all?
But, again, great you and others got one that isn't showing problems.
Not trying to pick on you in particular but I would hope you might pass stuff like these concerns up the ladder to the techs but I'm sure they are already hearing about it as well...

 

[Norona]

Yeah that’s all fun, I’m south of Revy in some of the best snow all year 40+ days. Personally witnessed multiple failures and not just my group. A top rider is more in tune with his machine but is not easier on his machine lol when it’s chest deep you are to the bar all day. Things fail.

you are correct and so would an intermidiate rider have it to the bar. It does not matter where you live, how many days you ride, this is the point, you want to make it about you and why it was you, but the facts are just not showing that, sucks either way. like the guy posted above, wear inside can be normal and from a loose chain for sure. it does not take too many revolutions for that to happen. Everyone always says multiple failures, but never a number, truth is you know a few, and a few is too many, but it happens,, you can shoot me but I see the real numbers and talk to the engineers about this stuff all the time, I am not saying it is your fault or anything but there are a lot of factors at play here. These forums are a double edge sword, when guys see this they have gone out and bought parts so that is why you see none avaialble. My local bike shop had to put chains and cassettes behind the back wall and only sell them if people ask and need and 1 at a time, as guys were coming in over the last 2 years and buying all the chains and cassettes so when you needed one it aint available. Same is happening here. I have seen guys posting hyvo for sale as they bought a bunch then resell, and or buy a bunch and don't use, this i why a lot of the time there is a part shortage as well as stuff is just not available in huge numbers due to shortages. Hope you get parts you need asap, and it sucks either way to have it happen and wait for parts.

 

[10003514]

you are correct and so would an intermidiate rider have it to the bar. It does not matter where you live, how many days you ride, this is the point, you want to make it about you and why it was you, but the facts are just not showing that, sucks either way. like the guy posted above, wear inside can be normal and from a loose chain for sure. it does not take too many revolutions for that to happen. Everyone always says multiple failures, but never a number, truth is you know a few, and a few is too many, but it happens,, you can shoot me but I see the real numbers and talk to the engineers about this stuff all the time, I am not saying it is your fault or anything but there are a lot of factors at play here. These forums are a double edge sword, when guys see this they have gone out and bought parts so that is why you see none avaialble. My local bike shop had to put chains and cassettes behind the back wall and only sell them if people ask and need and 1 at a time, as guys were coming in over the last 2 years and buying all the chains and cassettes so when you needed one it aint available. Same is happening here. I have seen guys posting hyvo for sale as they bought a bunch then resell, and or buy a bunch and don't use, this i why a lot of the time there is a part shortage as well as stuff is just not available in huge numbers due to shortages. Hope you get parts you need asap, and it sucks either way to have it happen and wait for parts.

Absolutely, Gen 5 is a great sled just frustrating having a $26,000 sled sitting at your dealer for 5 weeks now. I moved on as I didn’t want to miss that much of the season.

 

[firstkitty]

The issue is the two piece shaft. Yes, all the US stuff got the silent chain instead of the HYVO but doesn't matter what the chain or gears are if the bottom gear is wobbling stretching the chain and eventually walking it off then binding up and shattering the gear because it has no center shear strength because it's hole punched. The gears and chain are just going to fail later down the road. Seen it happen with several Lynx (with Aurora chain and gears) delivered around here. Lasted a bit longer over all but still failed. Chains just being released this week....
Had my chain (23 Freeride 165 TR) stretching so much during each ride from new it was ridiculous. 1.5-3 turns each ride for the first 260 miles. Change oil after break in and it was gross. Open case and marks all over the bottom area, forward, back, inner hub area. Gear is wobbling around a lot to mark the inner bearing hub... Changed to a single shaft at 300 miles, using a solid gear (silent chain cut) from a '19, silent chain that came on the '23, and the stock upper gear. 520 miles later the total adjustment needed as been 1 turn. Half a turn at about 500 miles and a half a turn this past weekend. It's not the chains as the problem, they are just showing the wear and failing due to other parts not working correctly. Have a guy here been running a silent chain setup on his '21 850 Turbo with a stage 2 tune because his HYVO chain broke a plate and none were shipping. Hasn't had any issues with the gears or chain either. Yes the HYVO and Aurora are suppose to be stronger over all but it doesn't matter if the thing driving it is the problem. On top of that, imagine what your losing in power lose because the chain is kinking and binding trying to run around in there like a drunk snake...
Anyway, hope they fix it for the rest but I doubt that will happen.

I do agree with you on the drivers, they stock ones are pretty lousy and have been for years. Once they ratchet they will keep doing it and getting worse. Any of the aftermarket ones are better

It is 100% how you ride your sled. Km don’t mean much. I get a belt to last 500-800km identical sled in my group almost 3000km but is an intermediate rider. There is going to be lots of guys with zero failure and lots of guys with failure. I was very very diligent with checking my tension every ride, changed my oil and at 1800km boom catastrophic failure. BRP knows there is an issue, they are suppose to have hyvo as per the parts fishe but to get sleds to customers on time they sourced other parts. My sleds been sitting for over a month with no ETA cause there are no parts available, lots of failures in my area. 2 piece drive shaft needs to go and put in hyvo.

You don’t use your sled to carry around a yoga mat and incense candles and a snow board that why your having problems ? .

 

[Sleds R Fun]

QUOTE FROM DAVE N. “Like I said before if guys are worried they can change to gears and chain that will be in 2024 as I listed before #504154569 - 53 tooth, #504154313 116 clink chain, #504154567 21 tooth ”

I guess this is how Doo will address the MY 24.
Wonder if Doo will provide 2023 owners with the proper parts as per schematic’s.

 

[jcjc1]

dave,
what are the engineers saying about this whole situation if you “talk to them all the time”?
honest question and would love a candid answer as there are many of us that would like to know.