Camoplast Tracks: 2.5" Peak vs. 2.6" Power Claw vs. 3" Challenger Extreme

[snengineer]

hey guys, so a rock ate my track and it seems like an overwhelming win for the 3". sounds like lots of pro's on this thread are running them, but are any of you guys running an x3 on an xm? I would be running a stock 156 and was recommended avid 7 tooth drivers. Being stock, would it handle the added load? I was talking to someone about it and they mentioned that it would be changing the attack angle but I'm way too dumb to follow there where the detriment or gains would come from when it comes to attack angles... can anyone help a guy out who didn't pay attention when the teacher was talking??

thanks in advance!

You need 7t drivers and an offset axle if you run this track with everything else stock on the XM. Stock will handle it, your track speed will be down but it will turn it no problem.

 

[m8braaaap]

I don't see why he would need the offset axle if he is already running a 156.pm tudizzle,he has it on a doo.

 

[snengineer]

I don't see why he would need the offset axle if he is already running a 156.pm tudizzle,he has it on a doo.

smaller drivers mainly, look at Tudizzles ride he has a big wheel kit and new brackets, you could do this or an offset axle.

 

[TracksCanada]

my proclimb turns the 3"er fine.best money ive spent on the sled so far.i believe the 7 tooth avids are a must though.

A/C best sled for 3" track mod. inexpensive and effective with stock 8 tooth drivers. 90+ happy riders and counting. 156 or 162?
Oh forgot RT 1000 was also great sled for 3" with stock 8 tooth drivers.

 

[Scott]

Yesterday Shane Hart told me he's going to run a 156 long "X3" on his 2013 600 RMK with KMod.

Can't wait to see what 3" paddles on a 600 will do. LOL. Once he's got the gearing and clutching figured, that thing will climb with the stock 800s. LOL

 

[Scott]

Supposedly, you CAN put the 156 on the ProRMK with 7t extroverts and maxing out the track tension adjusters without a bigwheel kit or suspension setback.
Shane said it's JUST tight enough with those extroverts.

 

[Anthony Oberti]

Call me the black sheep, but I had 4 rides on my 3" track and it is already off and sold. I personally did not like it. Yes, it gets great traction, but I feel it made the sled a bear to ride. Mine was a 162, buddy had a 156x3" on his Pro and he took his off as well.

 

[snengineer]

Call me the black sheep, but I had 4 rides on my 3" track and it is already off and sold. I personally did not like it. Yes, it gets great traction, but I feel it made the sled a bear to ride. Mine was a 162, buddy had a 156x3" on his Pro and he took his off as well.

define "bear to ride"

 

[Scott]

Call me the black sheep, but I had 4 rides on my 3" track and it is already off and sold. I personally did not like it. Yes, it gets great traction, but I feel it made the sled a bear to ride. Mine was a 162, buddy had a 156x3" on his Pro and he took his off as well.

Did he sell his?
I want one.

 

[Anthony Oberti]

define "bear to ride"

It was harder to throw on its side, it was harder to initiate a downhill powder turn, it did not ride on an "edge" as easy, ANYWHERE, it was heavier, slower and didn't have a "give". If the skis were pointing a certain way, the sled was going that way, PERIOD! It literally took the fun out of riding the sled. I jumped onto a sled with a stock Polaris 2.4" and it was SOOOOO much easier to ride. Yes, the track gets awesome traction, and yes it floats better, but the "flickibility" of the Polaris was gone with this track. And I am not the only one that thought this. 2 Other very experienced riders rode our sleds and felt the same way. Maybe in very deep and very dry snow it would be great, but last week in Utah and Wyoming, I did not like it at all.

 

[Anthony Oberti]

Did he sell his?
I want one.

Not yet, but he wants to. 156x3" with Carl's drivers. Think he wants 1200 for everything.

 

[Scott]

Disregard my last PM. IT's all posted here. HAHA. Thanks.

Is it the center-punched track?

 

[byeatts]

It was harder to throw on its side, it was harder to initiate a downhill powder turn, it did not ride on an "edge" as easy, ANYWHERE, it was heavier, slower and didn't have a "give". If the skis were pointing a certain way, the sled was going that way, PERIOD! It literally took the fun out of riding the sled. I jumped onto a sled with a stock Polaris 2.4" and it was SOOOOO much easier to ride. Yes, the track gets awesome traction, and yes it floats better, but the "flickibility" of the Polaris was gone with this track. And I am not the only one that thought this. 2 Other very experienced riders rode our sleds and felt the same way. Maybe in very deep and very dry snow it would be great, but last week in Utah and Wyoming, I did not like it at all.

Seems to be an issue mostly on the Poo Chassis. The Doo seams very nimble as it pulls front up instantly.I did let out strap a notch on my 3 inch over my 2.5 Camo.The sled did require a different skid setup for me. The ski transfer differences may be the culprit.we all know the differences and effects on different Chassis.I doubt there's a looser feeling track than the stock poo 2.4 ,,,Good info!

 

[snengineer]

It was harder to throw on its side, it was harder to initiate a downhill powder turn, it did not ride on an "edge" as easy, ANYWHERE, it was heavier, slower and didn't have a "give". If the skis were pointing a certain way, the sled was going that way, PERIOD! It literally took the fun out of riding the sled. I jumped onto a sled with a stock Polaris 2.4" and it was SOOOOO much easier to ride. Yes, the track gets awesome traction, and yes it floats better, but the "flickibility" of the Polaris was gone with this track. And I am not the only one that thought this. 2 Other very experienced riders rode our sleds and felt the same way. Maybe in very deep and very dry snow it would be great, but last week in Utah and Wyoming, I did not like it at all.

Yes thankyou, very good description. Its interesting to see the pro react this way. So far the XM has not had any of these issues you have described.

 

[Anthony Oberti]

It's most noticeable in tight, technical tree riding. Following Gardiner last weekend was a chore! Following him period is a chore!

 

[m8magicandmystery]

kind of sounds like just maybe in some instances the 3 inch is like a fatter person at the other end of the teeter totter when it comes to sled handling..

would love to try one on a 141 though...lol..

 

[m8braaaap]

i just put an ovs wheelie control on my proclimb.not being able to keep the skis down is the only thing i don't like so far about the 3"er.looking forward to trying it out with the wheelie control

 

[turboless terry]

It was harder to throw on its side, it was harder to initiate a downhill powder turn, it did not ride on an "edge" as easy, ANYWHERE, it was heavier, slower and didn't have a "give". If the skis were pointing a certain way, the sled was going that way, PERIOD! It literally took the fun out of riding the sled. I jumped onto a sled with a stock Polaris 2.4" and it was SOOOOO much easier to ride. Yes, the track gets awesome traction, and yes it floats better, but the "flickibility" of the Polaris was gone with this track. And I am not the only one that thought this. 2 Other very experienced riders rode our sleds and felt the same way. Maybe in very deep and very dry snow it would be great, but last week in Utah and Wyoming, I did not like it at all.

I know exactly where you are coming from. My 13 pro, with 156x3, was harder to throw around then my wife's 12 pro. I never thought anything about it until she told me she hated my sled. It was the 3" that didn't allow it to tip over as easy. I never had any problem but it isn't as easy to innitiate a turn. I guess it is the gyroscopic effect, they were talking about on the belt drive before they released it, only the reverse effect. It is no different than going from a shorter sled to a longer one. The longer ones want to push straight ahead, with the extra traction, and go straight. You have to throw more lead at it or use the throttle different to break it's stride. That is why I shake my head when someone says there is no difference, in handling, between a 150ish and a 163. There is a difference.

 

[byeatts]

I know exactly where you are coming from. My 13 pro, with 156x3, was harder to throw around then my wife's 12 pro. I never thought anything about it until she told me she hated my sled. It was the 3" that didn't allow it to tip over as easy. I never had any problem but it isn't as easy to innitiate a turn. I guess it is the gyroscopic effect, they were talking about on the belt drive before they released it, only the reverse effect. It is no different than going from a shorter sled to a longer one. The longer ones want to push straight ahead, with the extra traction, and go straight. You have to throw more lead at it or use the throttle different to break it's stride. That is why I shake my head when someone says there is no difference, in handling, between a 150ish and a 163. There is a difference.

Jus for kicks try adding front skid shox preload,,and let strap, out one hole

 

[T24]

300 miles on my 2014 pro with 156 X3. Sled is stock other than track and Kmod skid. First thing i noticed is that it runs way hotter on the trail. My 2012 155 was usually always around 125-140 max and the 14 with X3 is 165-190.(Both with scratchers down on freshly groomed trail.) Second thing was CRAZY traction compared to the stock track on the 12(I did the f-bomb track mod on that sled). First trip was a bit of a learning curve as the track made the sled handle a lot different. Seemed way harder to ride in technical situations. It felt like there was a lot more ski pressure and was pushing more compared to stock. Everything was happening a lot quicker as well because I was moving forward rather than just spinning. I came home from that trip kind of on the fence as there was good and bad. Kmod skid was set up to Kevins instructions as far as limiter strap, shock preload and compression dampening( took skid directly from 12 and put it in the 14). I installed RSI Burandt bars(2'' lower than stock), and let my limiter straps out 1 hole and switched the coupling block from 3 to 1 for the next trip and it was a totally different machine. Now I was in a totally different location from the first trip with a little different snow conditions but all I can say now is that I am 100% sold. Sled felt way lighter on the skis while boondocking, and still maintained exceptional climbing ability. I could easily out climb a 2010 M8 with 162 CE 2.5. I have the stock clutching for now and was only pulling 7900-8050RPM so I'm sure there is room for improvement there. I do feel that it probably could benefit from lower gearing as well as I could smell belt and pulled a few cords while riding hard for extended periods. Over all after a bit of set up for my riding I'm confident that this track is the real deal for backcountry riding and will most definitely take my riding to the next level. One other thing to note was that while climbing in approx 2' of fresh I was getting 38-40 mph track speed.
Cheers