BRP what a joke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2001400ex]

Huh?

Just from what I heard that the stock skis and suspension on the Dragons last year sucked.

My point is, it seems like at this point in time, every sled needs something it seems like, to make it run like it "should" (whatever that is).

But yeah, taking a year to fix a sled like my buddies 07 Rev is retarded. He is lucky though, they ran his serial and he qualified for the two year warranty. At least ski-doo did that right.

 

[phatty]

My dirtbike also rips AND is dead reliable. However it's a Yamaha 4 stroke!!! We also have Yamaha raptors, grizzlys and we never touch them. I currently ride a skidoo but my next sled will be a Yamaha 4 stroke and I don't care if skidoo weighs 300 lbs. and has 180 hp.

you say that now, but when your digging that heavy tampex sled out of a tree well you will wish you had the 300lb ski-doo.

My bike is a yz450f. Why? because its comparable to the 2 stroke bikes in weight and performance. If the bike weighed 2 times what a 2 stroke bike did i would have never got it, just like i will never get a 4 stroke sled till they weigh the same as the 2 strokes with the same performance.

back on topic
guess i should get an extra belt for the xp eh?

 

[bigfoot]

I hadn't heard the Dragons are out. But my guess is, everyone will have corrections to make for their preferences.

My understanding is last years Dragon required new skis and suspension and the M8 required clutch work for them to work properly, well and Yamaha requires a turbo, hehehe.

Either way, I don't know too many people that don't make at least a few changes. Who on here uses the stock bar height?

No... the stock skis are fine on the Dragon, the shocks were a little soft but not a "must replace to ride" type deal, and was an easy fix at the dealer (under warranty). The M8 came weighted a little light, but neither sled burnt up belts every ride. The yami on the other still requires a turbo to be worth a sh*t!

 

[PooSlinger]

Just from what I heard that the stock skis and suspension on the Dragons last year sucked.

Not to hijack this thread or anything, but you need better sources of information. Last year's Dragon came with the Gripper skis, which most people liked a lot and are generally accepted as one of the finest OEM skis to hit snow. And the suspension? The IQ RMK is widely regarded as one of the best if not the best riding mountain mount out there in terms of suspension performance and rider comfort. Only thing with the '07 Dragons is that some guys needed to add pressure to their front shocks.

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I was hoping to see a little better showing from the XP. It's the first Doo that I was ever really excited about. But the handwarmer problem, tweaked front ends from routine hits, and now the belt problems (which were predicted by pretty much all of us Poo pundits last spring) kindof have the bloom off the rose. Still hoping for a ride on one this year, but I'm going to sit tight with the Dragon for a while.

 

[bigfoot]

I think we all (to some degree) "tweak" on our sleds to get the most out of them whether they are new or not. Clutching, exhaust, jets whatever; and we accept that as part of our sport. I see the bigger issue of spending 11k for a sled only to discover it has a flaw in it's drivetrain. So be it, many other manfactures have dealt with this same scenario before. T/A's point is he's having to pay to try to make it right and THAT IS WRONG. Especially if the belts continue to blow after the modifications. In '05 did Polaris not cover their belts that were blowing on them until they fixed the problem? Carl's Cycle did for their customers but perhaps that was not the norm. If the preseason test sleds were just fine, then something changed and Doo needs to support their customers until they find what they changed................ and fix it. Including to support them with the cost associated to ensure their 11K dollar sled will run reliably as an 11K dollar sled should.

Allsport Polaris in spokane warrantied my dad's belts for his 900 in 05, at least 6 of them. Polaris also gave him a chain and gear to gear it when the belt problem on those showed itself. I think both of those came directly from polaris and should have been done at every dealer. Polaris also developed the 11 series weight, just for the 900. And developed the "tractor belt" also given undr warranty to the owner (at no cost) Polaris added venting to the clutch side under warranty (as a recall), I don't see Doo doing any of this. Reccomending a gear change at the owners expense, and not warrantying belts for a now known problem, WTF?

 

[2001400ex]

Not to hijack this thread or anything, but you need better sources of information. Last year's Dragon came with the Gripper skis, which most people liked a lot and are generally accepted as one of the finest OEM skis to hit snow. And the suspension? The IQ RMK is widely regarded as one of the best if not the best riding mountain mount out there in terms of suspension performance and rider comfort. Only thing with the '07 Dragons is that some guys needed to add pressure to their front shocks.

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I was hoping to see a little better showing from the XP. It's the first Doo that I was ever really excited about. But the handwarmer problem, tweaked front ends from routine hits, and now the belt problems (which were predicted by pretty much all of us Poo pundits last spring) kindof have the bloom off the rose. Still hoping for a ride on one this year, but I'm going to sit tight with the Dragon for a while.

I guess I stand corrected, by two people (though you have new shocks... )

Nah, I think BRP will do the right thing and warranty it like they did the 2007s, give it time. I have not been over to doo talk, are they saying the same things there?

 

[2001400ex]

what if i ride good powder for the next 3 weeks and loose 3 or 4 more belts, {i will be riding a lot from now on}--so now i the belt i just had to pay for and maybe 4 more at over a $ 100.00 a belt,how happy would you be MARV ??

T/A. have you tried Hi-Mtn in Billings? They just did the warranty work on my buddy's 07 and it turned out way better than the Bozeman dealer (well once he replaced the spark plugs). Maybe they will warranty the belt and fix it under warranty. Just a thought.

 

[augerin]

Wake Up!

They never got it right last year, what made you think they would this year. Until they do get it right and take care of there customers they can keep the things. I felt the same way about poo in '05, and waited until they got it right with the Dragon. Jm02

Here's hoping the xp tuns out to be the sled it is suppose to be!!

 

[GDreyer310]

T/A

Well, I agree with T/A if his Dealer would have set the sled up right the first time. I don't think he would be having belt proublems! If it was manufacturings
fault, either way it should be repaired by his Dealer. Gary D

 

[katmanduex]

M-cats have been eating belts for years but I never seem to hear much about it. Guess the cat owners have come to accept it.

I have owned three M's, m7, UBR m9, and M7 turbo and have never gone thru more than one belt in a season ( except for the turbo, and that was my fu--up on set-up) But, seems all M's need another grand thrown at them to run like a think they should out of the box. Sorry about the problems TA, but I agree the mnfct.'s will only change these bogus trends after we the consumers continually get after them.

 

[800Gader]

Secondary??

I believe the gearing is just a mask to help the problem, since gearing just changes the startability and top speed. In between is controlled by the clutches. If there's heat, there's slippage and maybe the new secondary isn't match to well, yet, for the application. Maybe a different helix and or a stiffer spring would help. I'm no expert and don't even mess with my clutches, but the secondary is the main item that's completely different from last year. Maybe there's a dead spot for air flow too??
Just brainstorming (sure is cloudy here).

 

[rkymtnman]

Every new sled (may) need some tweaks but 100% of the tweaks I have done to my past sleds (Doos, Poos, and Yammies) were to make it perform better - NOT to get me back to the lot because of a failure. I'd be HOT if my new 10k sled couldn't make it one ride without a potentially crippling failure.

...and FWIW, I have NEVER broken in a belt - put them on and ride and never had a problem in the past.

 

[cowkiller]

the new doo doo

Alot of folks saw this coming. I just watched it happen.
I don't ride to get pissed off I ride to have fun.
Sorry about your bad luck!

 

[Captainkip]

The XP sure looks real nice sitting in my buddies driveway, but I am gald I wont be him when we are riding. Too bad I will have to be with him. What a load of crap BRP is putting on the snow. I guess my buddy did not learn his lesson last year with his 07 800 when I was consistantly kicking his ars with my stock 02 800 RMK. I cant wait to hear him crying again that I can beat him.

 

[MtnDoo]

<<Alot of folks saw this coming. I just watched it happen.
I don't ride to get pissed off I ride to have fun.
Sorry about your bad luck!>>

I'll second that!

Big props to all of our test pilots out there!
Can't wait for 09.

MD.

 

[bcsnowdog]

m7 belts

m series belt problems?i get over 1000 miles out my cat belts on 05m7.as for xp leave gearing alone let them pay for the belts till they fix there obvious poor set up!

 

[Shake&Bake]

BRP has NEVER stood behind their products when they have an issue before, so why start now???

My last Doo was a ZX 700 Summit and when the recall on the crank FINALLY happened it was like pulling teeth to get BRP to stand behind their product and help the customer. Same with the 670X.

My cousin has an 07 Summit that has toasted 6 belts and he has less than 1000kms on the sled. He's had 3 different "Updates" done by the dealers, but still only gets between 80-150 miles per belt. And to top that all off, his 800R motor seized on the second ride of the year this year, which is actually being warrantied.

BRP believes in sticking it to the customer, whether its making customers PAY for BRP's own screw ups and bad engineering or making Canadians PAY $14,000 - $16,000 for a sled thats worth $10,000, even though the Canadian dollar is on Par with the US. I understand all of the big 4 cost more in Canada regardless of our dollar, but BRP sleds are MADE in Canada! You think there would be a bit of a cost savings there.

A company as disrespectful to its own loyal customers as BRP is shouldnt be supported. I wont ever buy another Doo.

 

[CATillak]

i have the stock bar height on my cat lol wtf, i want a riser!

on topic now: i rode my dad rev 800 in the mountains the other day and iv never actually put his sled in the deep stuff, but i found that is cooooooked the belt, and what im thinkin is maybe its because of those stupid clutch covers and how air tight it is around the clutches?? hows the venting on the XP i havent even seen one upclose yet mainly becuase i think they look dreadful. (but if i ride one that performs, best beleive ill bne buyin one lol) maybe the XP needs sime massive flow rite fixes lol.. just a thought.

 

[turbo800]

T/A check your belt alignment. The one I looked at was out at least 1/16". I know they have the non-adjusting secondary, so this could be a huge problem. Might be worth looking into a team and new jackshaft.

 

[Crasher]

Never buy a first year sled. Easy as that.