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2023 cat. Where is it?

I was thinking ....just maybe....at least for me...we should just learn to ride them better? Less effort and all? I keep upgrading as if that'll help....doesn't. My whole body hurts....
They just can not improve them that much more for years to come right? Better , yes, small stuff ok but from what you old timers had to now is like a rotary phone land line compared to a iPhone 12 or whatever it is now lol.
 
Well if this is any kind os sneak peek to Cat. Its kinda a big bummer. The 2023 he's sitting on looks like a 2022 beside the usual BNG

 
Funny you say this because my shoulders need replaced. I road a non estart alpha for 3 years and would just about cry when we got home. Just got back from a week of sledding on estart boost and didn't hurt at all at night.
Not disagreeing that the cats are heavy steering, because they are, but I think a lot of this has to do with the estart. I had a similar experience just going from a non estart to estart, both cats. After a day of riding my last pull start sled my shoulders would kill for a day or two, haven’t had that issue since going estart. I also believe I save a lot of energy throughout the day just because of estart.
 
Not disagreeing that the cats are heavy steering, because they are, but I think a lot of this has to do with the estart. I had a similar experience just going from a non estart to estart, both cats. After a day of riding my last pull start sled my shoulders would kill for a day or two, haven’t had that issue since going estart. I also believe I save a lot of energy throughout the day just because of estart.


It's not the starting.

Go ride a RMK for a day. It'll make you look silly because the bars just move so easy. Then you'll get back on the cat and wonder just how it's possible they made the steering need that much force.

Every cat guy that rides an RMK says they must have power steering.
 
It's not the starting.

Go ride a RMK for a day. It'll make you look silly because the bars just move so easy. Then you'll get back on the cat and wonder just how it's possible they made the steering need that much force.

Every cat guy that rides an RMK says they must have power steering.
Not so true on my 174 RMK in hard snow. I jump on the shorter ones and they steer way lighter. It's fine in good snow though. Can you imagine a 175 Cat? Ouch.
 
I never noticed a big differences in steering effort between the Cat and Polaris, but I notice the Doo is like power steering. However I just can't used to Doo handling and steering when the snow is setup. I hate riding the Doo in anything but good over the hood powder.

Some of the steering effort can be suspension setup as well. The more ski pressure, obviously the heavier the steering. Different skis make a big difference as well. I also always take the carbide runners off and just run steel wear bars.

If the steering effort is that bad, I would take a look and see if I could lengthen the linkage on the steering for more leverage. Maybe even a little extension on the spindle?

When is the Cat release date?
 
I never noticed a big differences in steering effort between the Cat and Polaris, but I notice the Doo is like power steering. However I just can't used to Doo handling and steering when the snow is setup. I hate riding the Doo in anything but good over the hood powder.

Some of the steering effort can be suspension setup as well. The more ski pressure, obviously the heavier the steering. Different skis make a big difference as well. I also always take the carbide runners off and just run steel wear bars.

If the steering effort is that bad, I would take a look and see if I could lengthen the linkage on the steering for more leverage. Maybe even a little extension on the spindle?

When is the Cat release date?
Usually around March 4th.
 
There are several things that Cat could spend money on that would barely move my meter, if at all. One is riders, brand ambassadors, whatever. They should bring on new talent regularly, and keep some money open if there's one or two guys who really sell the brand and care more about Cat than about making Burandt-level money. It's something easy to blow the budget on though; I think you have to accept that some are going to jump ship for Doo or Poo's money. The next "don't care" is a fancy display. Maybe I'll change my mind at some point, but all I need right now is RPM and coolant temp.

A new motor would be nice, but I don't need more power than the CTEC, and most honest riders would say the same thing. Pretty much anyone can have fun with more power, but even a 600 isn't limiting most riders until it gets deep (which I don't see nearly as much as I'd like). My current sled (Pro 800/163 with some upgrades) has all the power I need, it's been trouble-free through two seasons, goes pretty much anywhere, and it's easy to work on. Two things that drive people off the quickest are frequent break-downs (some Poos over the years), and being a pain in the butt any time you want to change something (Doo). So, reliable and easy to fix and mod are two things I hope Cat keeps in mind (and a new motor wouldn't help there). The biggest complaint about my Pro sounds the same as the Cat: feels front-heavy. I'm sure a new Cat would be less effort, but if it still feels heavier than an AXYS, it's hard to see jumping ship on my next sled. Mostly going off what people say on the Cat; of my time on newer sleds, I've spent by far the least on Cats.

The way I see it, Cat could be appealing for my next sled if they fix some of the fit and finish issues (a friend had his go down from snow ingestion), come out with a new front end that makes for less effort, and keep working to lighten and shrink the bodywork and all. For my kind of riding, more playful even at the expense of predictability would be better. It's a balancing act, but less focus on ragged edge handling and more on responsiveness and low effort seem to be where both Poo and Doo are going. Keep in mind, I'm talking out of the box. I think Cat can still do a lot, even with less resources. It's not going to happen without a sort of .5-gen update (which is what I consider the Matryx and Gen5) in the near future though. All they're going to do is bleed if Textron thinks BNG and a new shock package or display is going to keep things going the next five years. I'm still dreaming of a 400lb RTR sled, but if the world doesn't finish losing its mind in the next couple years, it'd be nice to at least have three real competitors when it comes time for a new sled.
 
It's not the starting.

Go ride a RMK for a day. It'll make you look silly because the bars just move so easy. Then you'll get back on the cat and wonder just how it's possible they made the steering need that much force.

Every cat guy that rides an RMK says they must have power steering.
Half of my group is Polaris, I’ve ridden them. That doesn’t change my personal experience of fixing my shoulder issues by going to an estart. It made a huge difference, and I stand by my statement.
 
It’s also not the sled, it’s the setup. I have a neck fusion so managing fatigue is crucial.
My broke neck and my teen daughters don’t suffer steering fatigue.
Ride with all brands, never heard the power steering claim made above.
One Polaris rider did ask how do you keep the skis on the ground after wheeling over the top of a hill he’d previously failed to make on his though.

Lot of pros and cons, but if hard steering is your cat gripe quit riding figure 8’s in the lot or work on set up.
 
Derail-
If you prescribe to experts they say set the sled up to "sag" or 20-30% of shock stroke length. So after that what's left? You can't change the front end geometry . You can only make thr springs lighter or stiffer BUT that goes against the shock travel rider weight deal right? So I don't get these "set ups" ??? Maybe one of you guys could start a 1hread on it cause I don't see one without it changing the other? Or changing fixed parts like elevate or rail shape?? Or what am I missing (besides the whole thing )
 
Derail-
If you prescribe to experts they say set the sled up to "sag" or 20-30% of shock stroke length. So after that what's left? You can't change the front end geometry . You can only make thr springs lighter or stiffer BUT that goes against the shock travel rider weight deal right? So I don't get these "set ups" ??? Maybe one of you guys could start a 1hread on it cause I don't see one without it changing the other? Or changing fixed parts like elevate or rail shape?? Or what am I missing (besides the whole thing )

This one will certainly get info from all over the map. So much rider preference set up. Riding style set up.
Rider weight and style, snow type snd depth, etc. I think you can try these sag settings for a base line, then move from there for your preferences.

For the sake of this thread….For ‘23 sleds, maybe they will have some suspension settings that don’t need all
The tweaking. Set it and forget it!

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Well if this is any kind os sneak peek to Cat. Its kinda a big bummer. The 2023 he's sitting on looks like a 2022 beside the usual BNG


That is a 4 stroke model, so maybe there is hope for the 2 stroke mountain segment?
 
It’s also not the sled, it’s the setup. I have a neck fusion so managing fatigue is crucial.
My broke neck and my teen daughters don’t suffer steering fatigue.
Ride with all brands, never heard the power steering claim made above.
One Polaris rider did ask how do you keep the skis on the ground after wheeling over the top of a hill he’d previously failed to make on his though.

Lot of pros and cons, but if hard steering is your cat gripe quit riding figure 8’s in the lot or work on set up.
My setup is fine not the first time I've rode a sled. Cats have always steered hard. Polaris didn't necessarily steer easy until 850 react front end. Night and day. Doo steers twice as easy but you have to steer 3 times as much with searching front end.
If your tractor was really hard steering with no fix, would you quit turning circles? What if i told you that tractor steered fine. Does that make it ok.
 
Never said a word about your sled terry but it’s obvious you don’t like it.
 
Derail-
If you prescribe to experts they say set the sled up to "sag" or 20-30% of shock stroke length. So after that what's left? You can't change the front end geometry . You can only make thr springs lighter or stiffer BUT that goes against the shock travel rider weight deal right? So I don't get these "set ups" ??? Maybe one of you guys could start a 1hread on it cause I don't see one without it changing the other? Or changing fixed parts like elevate or rail shape?? Or what am I missing (besides the whole thing )
You really give and take when making shock adjustments, there is no perfect setup. Many “setups” or recommendations will get you close, but it really comes down to preference. Your manual is actually a good place to start for suspension setup, and learning how each change will effect the sled. You can totally change the way a sled handles in a matter of minutes.

My best advice if you are learning sidehilling etc. is to not worry much about the front shocks- some like them loose, but I prefer them stiff enough that they rarely bottom out. Front track shock should be awfully stiff, and rear track shock about as soft as you can handle on the trail. This will make the sled easiest to get on edge(the give referred to at the start of this post), and have the least amount of ski pressure. Its gonna trench, and be easier to get stuck setup like this (the take). If you want the opposite effect go loose on the front track shock and tight on the rear. Its gonna be harder to sidehill and steer, but it will climb like a billy goat- I don’t recommend this though, it makes things difficult IMO.



Atac is a super cool option on the Cats that often gets overlooked, and is undermarketed. I loved the adjustment I had with the rts QS3 on my last sled but I rarely used it… I didn’t want to get off, chip the ice off the knob, and make the change. Having the ability to switch it from the bars would have been sweeeet, it’d almost be like a cheat button.
 
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PC set up is 100 percent personal. Everyone rides and weighs different. Your sag percentage you reference also changes with where you stand on the sled which constantly changes. It’s mostly about feel and what you want it to do best.
Type of snow matters. Cascade concrete and Strawberry powder are two extremes within a days drive of each other.

Always ask is todays feel from my changes or the snow type.

I set up for my kids by watching which sled they steal when no one is guarding it, then find out why.
 
It’s also not the sled, it’s the setup. I have a neck fusion so managing fatigue is crucial.
My broke neck and my teen daughters don’t suffer steering fatigue.
Ride with all brands, never heard the power steering claim made above.
One Polaris rider did ask how do you keep the skis on the ground after wheeling over the top of a hill he’d previously failed to make on his though.

Lot of pros and cons, but if hard steering is your cat gripe quit riding figure 8’s in the lot or work on set up.
I have an Alpha and Khaos. Ride with doos.
In the powder, they are all about equal.

Spring riding..... (not talking about on the trail cruising at 30mph)
While off trail, zig zagging through trees, steering effort is not even in the same ballpark. Polaris, u can steer with one hand on hard snow. My Alpha gets Gripper skis for spring riding as I need all the help I can get to ease the steering.

Ski-doos are on another level. They almost feel like power steering compared to Cats when the snow is hard.

Starting with a rope is about the same difference. Cats are much harder to pull over. Polaris are pretty easy And Ski-doos take it to another level start with a 1ft pull.

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