Nothing about not liking them. Always loved them. They are lagging behind. I notice steering effort more than anyone because of my shoulders. Not trying to start a fight. Love things about all and hate stuff about all.
2023 cat. Where is it?
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And the steering effort has no remedy? No set up, no spindle change ect? Of course you'd rather not have to change parts but I'd change an engine and tranny in a chevy before I'd drive a ford lol (that's a joke of course)
As a follow up , would one of you explain to me why the cat has heavy skiis? And why in general a snowmobile does or does not. Also if skidoo has such a great feel why aren't the others coping it at least in that respect?
Weight distribution is one part. Cats laydown engine along with chassis suspension mounting has more weight on the skis. Mechanical leverage is another.
Polaris handlebars turn further than the skis, using leverage to ease the steering.
Turn up the preload on ur front track shock.
That will reduce ski pressure. Put gripper skis on the cat. They have a shallow keel. Makes it turn much easier but will push(slide) a bit more.
Ski-doos feel good on 2 skis. People that prefer Cat and Poo like them more for their sidehilling(1 ski) capabilities. Not the 2 ski feel.
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I’ve never felt hard steering on my Cats unless I had the cat skiis on them. Grippers were always thrown on as quickly as possible. I guess the new ones are much better, which is what you have.
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Similar, not the same.
Cats keel is much taller.
Quicker, tighter turns.
Physically harder to steer on firm snow.
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I have only ridden 1 cat that had stock ski's. Every single other one I've rode had powder pro's.
By the time you get enough FTS to get some weight off the ski's, they become a trencher. So it's either lean on the bars, or use the shovel.
By the time you get enough FTS to get some weight off the ski's, they become a trencher. So it's either lean on the bars, or use the shovel.
So you think there is no real solution to the overly weighted ski and the aftermarket ski or gripper is a little more effective because the keel is shallower and in turn creates less drag in the snow. Iam assuming this is only the opinion in a slow moving situation where the force was exaggerated. The track shock is a way to concentrate the energy at a more downward angle and there is an opportunity to lift and pne to trench but there is no solution just a weak compromise in your opinion? The other manufacturers have this problem solved by the physical location of the engine/drive train? Sorry just trying to learn in general
So then a clever hotrodder could change that angle in the rail? Hence kahos vs rmk kinda thing?
I am constantly trying to get the most out of my suspension to give me the best ride for the conditions v.s. control when the terrain gets sketchy. When you have the lightest steering due to a tight spring setup on the front skid shock you will wheelie more and the sled will push into the corners and roll and dive away easily. You can still have the front skid shock spring tighter and control ski lift by also increasing the rear shock spring but then with both tight the sled will ride rigid on the bumps. If you have adjustable low speed dampening you can dial them up some to help these shocks ride higher in their stroke rather than just crank the springs. There is a comprimise going on here. Also the ski shocks, the same is true, stiffen them up and the steering gets heavy but lighten them and the steering gets lighter but again the sled will roll and dive away. The best set up is a balance where you can just rip the skis loose, side to side, while on a staight away. Once you get it perfect the conditions will change and you have to start all over again.
No real solution, difference between the easy steering Ski-doo and “hard” steering Cat goes well beyond shock setup… not sure what makes the biggest difference but is due to geometry differences in the front suspension, rear suspension, steering system and chassis. I’d guess theres more leverage somewhere in the Ski-doo steering system, the steering is extremely light, but also extremely “twitchy”.
A ski with a shallower keel will turn easier, but it won’t turn as well. Again, you give, and you take. If you don’t think your sled steers hard I wouldn’t worry about it.
The Doo Keel is deep but short. The real trick with Doo is the horizontal steering post allows the rider to use his body weight to push down to turn. This is great on 2 skis, only this advantage is lost when hanging off the side of the sled when on a sidehill.
Or spend a bunch of $ on ice age elevate twin rail….
Btw I have one available…. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
Now that’s a derail.
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