why does the XP feel so heavy? i noticed when we took a break from riding some guys were stuck in seom deep snow, just a 146 i beleive, but the tunnel has about an inch of ice build up in some places, it took 4 of us to finally get it unstuck... maybe were jsut weak tho!! other than i hate the way it feels for boondockin and that it gets heavier than my old mt cat, its FAST!! it would pic the skis very well, and i know good ski pickin when i see it! haha, coming from a BB 1m type cat
08 XP 163...best mountain sled EVER built bar none!!!
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anziconda
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Easiest sled I have ever gotten unstuck and very light feeling when you ride it. Are you sure you are not mistaking it for your 1M
im 100 percent sure, so sure that i had to walk off my 1m, and help the XP out... so im quite sure it wasnt mine.
as for it feeling heavy in the snow, maybe sway bars, i dunno. i despised the darting feeling it had. i ride a rev 90 percent of the time cuz the cat never seems to run, so its not a "o you jsut cant ride the newer chassis" type deal, jsut not the sled for me, but id buy it in an instant over a IQ. im a picky rider i suppose.
as for it feeling heavy in the snow, maybe sway bars, i dunno. i despised the darting feeling it had. i ride a rev 90 percent of the time cuz the cat never seems to run, so its not a "o you jsut cant ride the newer chassis" type deal, jsut not the sled for me, but id buy it in an instant over a IQ. im a picky rider i suppose.
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trinitypowder
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The "heaviness" may be the result of a couple of Nytro's getting caught up in the track/rear suspension. I've had the misfortune of pulling 3 of them out of my 154 XP's rear suspension. Keep your eye open for them; when you're doing 40-50 mph across a meadow and their doing 20-25 mph, they'll sneak up on ya in a hurry
Notice I didn't mention "hills". You're relatively safe from Nytro's in that enviroment. However, the Nytro's big brother, Mr. Turbo Apex has a ferocious appetite for Xp's and anything else in the way. Becareful out there, it's a nasty world
haha im glad i dont ride a nytro, i would have had to start a pissing match!!
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Slick
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OK now listen up, cause this is funny; And I quote ::
Here's my suggestions, and advice on why our 4 XP's are wicked bad sleds:
#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. We have (3) 154's and (1) 146 with a total of about 450 miles, NO blown belts, let me repeat NO blown belts. I feel this is why; Beforethe first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.
#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.
#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. For now, I have removed the shock tower button plug, and cutout the small triangle section of the panel and covered with screen. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.
#4. Gearing change will help, but (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.
#5. Now the fun part, QUIT worrying about the performance until you hit about the 100 mile mark, when It wakes up,OMFG!! Its like a different sled, exrtemely fast and one of the most impressive mid-ranges I have ever rode. At first I could not go past 60mph, later that day when it changed,It pulled hard to 90.
#6. Once you hit this break-in sweet spot, NOW you can clutch, IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out, I had our dealer leave both Jo's 146 and my
#7. Forgot about the secodary/Oil issue. On the maiden breakin rides, I packed along a roll of paper towels and alcohol. When BRP did the chaincase/breather update and changed out the chaincase cover, many sleds came with the fresh oil spilt under the motor. During the course of first rides, MANY if not most all of the riders didnt wipe this up, BRP mistake yes, but you can cover their azz by cleaning this up during each 5 mile stop, we did, after the 15 mile stop,no more oil. And none on the belt.
#8. Cut Your secondary Cog. The slots are in the secondary center cog, the "black" plastic piece that you adjust your belt deflection, loosen the inner aluminum nipple and take out the whole thing, you will see the slots that are not cut completely, take out the "O" ring, cut the four slots carefully with a hacksaw, put back the "O" and re-install and tighten the nipple down firm but DON't strip it
End of Quote.
Thats it, all done , then you'll have the best STOCK,...out of the box Sled on the market.
Now c'mon, admit it, thats making everyone LTFAO, I mean those who aren't lucky enuff to own one.
Here's my suggestions, and advice on why our 4 XP's are wicked bad sleds:
#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. We have (3) 154's and (1) 146 with a total of about 450 miles, NO blown belts, let me repeat NO blown belts. I feel this is why; Beforethe first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.
#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.
#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. For now, I have removed the shock tower button plug, and cutout the small triangle section of the panel and covered with screen. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.
#4. Gearing change will help, but (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.
#5. Now the fun part, QUIT worrying about the performance until you hit about the 100 mile mark, when It wakes up,OMFG!! Its like a different sled, exrtemely fast and one of the most impressive mid-ranges I have ever rode. At first I could not go past 60mph, later that day when it changed,It pulled hard to 90.
#6. Once you hit this break-in sweet spot, NOW you can clutch, IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out, I had our dealer leave both Jo's 146 and my
#7. Forgot about the secodary/Oil issue. On the maiden breakin rides, I packed along a roll of paper towels and alcohol. When BRP did the chaincase/breather update and changed out the chaincase cover, many sleds came with the fresh oil spilt under the motor. During the course of first rides, MANY if not most all of the riders didnt wipe this up, BRP mistake yes, but you can cover their azz by cleaning this up during each 5 mile stop, we did, after the 15 mile stop,no more oil. And none on the belt.
#8. Cut Your secondary Cog. The slots are in the secondary center cog, the "black" plastic piece that you adjust your belt deflection, loosen the inner aluminum nipple and take out the whole thing, you will see the slots that are not cut completely, take out the "O" ring, cut the four slots carefully with a hacksaw, put back the "O" and re-install and tighten the nipple down firm but DON't strip it
End of Quote.
Thats it, all done , then you'll have the best STOCK,...out of the box Sled on the market.
Now c'mon, admit it, thats making everyone LTFAO, I mean those who aren't lucky enuff to own one.
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sounds like you actually believe the brp brain wash bs! its a problem with to short and to narrow of a belt, combined with motor pulling upward,(under load) making belts run shorter and not enough deflection adjustment! so you know, the new belt is just a bandaid for the problems! and tra clutches are the joke of the industry! how come a heavy yamaha doesnt blow belts? answer? real clutches and better design!
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hatchers
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added some thoughts to your wisdumb...
OK now listen up, cause this is funny; And I quote ::
Here's my suggestions, and advice on why our 4 XP's are wicked bad sleds:
#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. We have (3) 154's and (1) 146 with a total of about 450 miles, NO blown belts, let me repeat NO blown belts. I feel this is why; Beforethe first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.
Grab a hand full of white 166 belts and check the OD, most are well under 1.5", the new 377 belt is a true 1.5"....this is the bigger issue with so many burning belts, besides alignment and the prp/prp spring wont make a full shift, the prp/pnk spring with 21ish grams is much much better. Proper belt break in if for old timers who have no clue. A 90MPH XP huh?......sounds like you need to re-gear for the mtns poser.
#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.
True, but you need a good belt to do this, many white 166 belts are to narrow....ask around
None the less, no TRA can handle a 15 min WOT at 10MPH......i tried and failed
#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. For now, I have removed the shock tower button plug, and cutout the small triangle section of the panel and covered with screen. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.
Clutch venting is waaaaaaaaay over rated, although i have tons on vents on my sleds, some think venting is the ticket, proper clutching and alignment needs to be done first, my 06 summit has a cooler clutch with the sec in .05 away from BRPs suggested numbers
#4. Gearing change will help, but (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.
the 154 really really needs a 19 top gear......but im sure a bootlicker trail rider like yourself wont notice, the 163 is fine
#5. Now the fun part, QUIT worrying about the performance until you hit about the 100 mile mark, when It wakes up,OMFG!! Its like a different sled, exrtemely fast and one of the most impressive mid-ranges I have ever rode. At first I could not go past 60mph, later that day when it changed,It pulled hard to 90.
#6. Once you hit this break-in sweet spot, NOW you can clutch, IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out, I had our dealer leave both Jo's 146 and my
i have 19 grams and really need 22ish at 10K, the stock helix is junk (42 straight).....the doo 44/33 is the best they offer, i like it......but a DJ helix will be the wicked ticket, gonna install it this weekend
#7. Forgot about the secodary/Oil issue. On the maiden breakin rides, I packed along a roll of paper towels and alcohol. When BRP did the chaincase/breather update and changed out the chaincase cover, many sleds came with the fresh oil spilt under the motor. During the course of first rides, MANY if not most all of the riders didnt wipe this up, BRP mistake yes, but you can cover their azz by cleaning this up during each 5 mile stop, we did, after the 15 mile stop,no more oil. And none on the belt.
#8. Cut Your secondary Cog. The slots are in the secondary center cog, the "black" plastic piece that you adjust your belt deflection, loosen the inner aluminum nipple and take out the whole thing, you will see the slots that are not cut completely, take out the "O" ring, cut the four slots carefully with a hacksaw, put back the "O" and re-install and tighten the nipple down firm but DON't strip it
Agreed
End of Quote.
Thats it, all done , then you'll have the best STOCK,...out of the box Sled on the market.
Now c'mon, admit it, thats making everyone LTFAO, I mean those who aren't lucky enuff to own one.
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Slick
Well-known member
Sorry Hatchers,,,, my comments were meant tonque in cheek sorta. From now on I'll put a little notice in when I'm funnin.
These suggestions belonged to Idaho Slim, I was pokin a wee bit of fun at him and the XP fellas.
Don't worry man, the redness in your cheeks right now will go away soon !!
These suggestions belonged to Idaho Slim, I was pokin a wee bit of fun at him and the XP fellas.
Don't worry man, the redness in your cheeks right now will go away soon !!
new sleds,
Me and the wife just bought new skidoos, i managed to find a 163X and she bought the 154, have rode 600 miles so far and love them, my 900 king cat and her m7 is resting in our shop, 70 lbs. lighter does make a difference.
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trinitypowder
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Get ready my friend. Total strangers are about to "hate" you and call you stupid for buying a Ski Doo! Hold on tight!
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Slick
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Aw c'mon TP, most of us think thats a good choice for a husband and wife to ride together in this wonderful sport. They can cruise the trails and play in the trees, and they'll be always accessible for the tow sleds.
Maybe you could strap on some Saddlebags, take along some dogs, go for a nice ride with some of the couples out for a little fresh air and cook up some lunch.
Sounds like a really special day, and hey, if you get stuck, like slip off the trail or somethin, those XP's are lite enuff, you can get it out without much trouble.
Personally, I like their choice.
Maybe you could strap on some Saddlebags, take along some dogs, go for a nice ride with some of the couples out for a little fresh air and cook up some lunch.
Sounds like a really special day, and hey, if you get stuck, like slip off the trail or somethin, those XP's are lite enuff, you can get it out without much trouble.
Personally, I like their choice.
NO doubt XP 163 is a best stock sled ,I was towing XP 154 today of mount st Helens WA and was wondering when my XP163 will brake, because it is sucks to pull a light weight sled in 4foot of powder even with a long track, by the way I towed another victum of broken driveshaft.
,I was towing XP 154 today of mount st Helens WA and was wondering when my XP163 will brake, because it is sucks to pull a light weight sled in 4foot of powder even with a long track, by the way I towed another victum of broken driveshaft.Dave, I can't beleive after all these years riding cats that you went to the dark side and bought Doos. Hope they are as good as the hype. Say Hi to Vic.
Give us a call if you are headed this way.
C & K
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trinitypowder
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Aw c'mon TP, most of us think thats a good choice for a husband and wife to ride together in this wonderful sport. They can cruise the trails and play in the trees, and they'll be always accessible for the tow sleds.
Maybe you could strap on some Saddlebags, take along some dogs, go for a nice ride with some of the couples out for a little fresh air and cook up some lunch.
Sounds like a really special day, and hey, if you get stuck, like slip off the trail or somethin, those XP's are lite enuff, you can get it out without much trouble.
Personally, I like their choice.
See what I mean. Guys like Slick here(he doesn't even ride or own a sled. Seriously!) will make fun of you for buying an XP. I'll tell you that mine has been a great sled. Eating a ton of belts, but I haven't paid for one yet. So far the new 377 belt "appears" to be better. But the "all knowing Slick" will tell you otherwise
I love threads like this.......grab the popcorn
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Slick
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See what I mean. Guys like Slick here(he doesn't even ride or own a sled. Seriously!) will make fun of you for buying an XP. I'll tell you that mine has been a great sled. Eating a ton of belts, but I haven't paid for one yet. So far the new 377 belt "appears" to be better. But the "all knowing Slick" will tell you otherwise
Hey now, don't put words in my mouth there big fella. I never said I was "all knowing", just a little more than you .
Hey now, don't put words in my mouth there big fella. I never said I was "all knowing", just a little more than you .
Slick, you don't have to tell us your all knowing. We can tell by the way you post more in the XP threads than anyone with an XP. I just wish I knew as much about my $10,000 POS as you do. You should have told me it wouldn't climb with the 700's, or it was going to blow up as soon as I hit my 1st pinecone. Maybe you could have prevented everyone from buying one. Who does know more about the XP, you or Graveler?
