one of the things about gun discussions, is that only rarely is a persons point of view changed.....i seriously doubt that any reason i could give for carrying a firearm could ever justify my doing so to you....what i do know is that i've had two occassions in my life that i needed a firearm, fancy talking, escape, etc. were not options.....the presentation of my firearm to the situation, immediately terminated the problem with no shot being fired....volumns of material have been written about all the variations of threats and scenarios that a person might encounter, having a good and cool head on your shoulders is the best thing you have going for yourself, and being reasonably prepared can't be underestimated or be made to seem unimportant....and like has already been stated, when something necessary to be responded to with a firearm happens, it's normally fast....you need to be proficient and mentally prepared.....as far as sledding goes, it's just another phase of life, if i'm with a pretty good group and wildlife is not a problem, i won't have one with me....but i do sled by myself, i go with just my wife throughout the west, i've had small groups of wolves look at us from close ranges with absolutely no fear, moose can also be formatible.....my scandium frame 44 mag is in a secure holster, on a belt around my mid-section, weapon in back, under my parka....not quite a quick draw rig, but can be brought to bear pretty quick.....makes a nice loud noise for finding me if i'm hurt, or protection if i need it
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one of the things about gun discussions, is that only rarely is a persons point of view changed.....i seriously doubt that any reason i could give for carrying a firearm could ever justify my doing so to you....what i do know is that i've had two occassions in my life that i needed a firearm, fancy talking, escape, etc. were not options.....the presentation of my firearm to the situation, immediately terminated the problem with no shot being fired....volumns of material have been written about all the variations of threats and scenarios that a person might encounter, having a good and cool head on your shoulders is the best thing you have going for yourself, and being reasonably prepared can't be underestimated or be made to seem unimportant....and like has already been stated, when something necessary to be responded to with a firearm happens, it's normally fast....you need to be proficient and mentally prepared.....as far as sledding goes, it's just another phase of life, if i'm with a pretty good group and wildlife is not a problem, i won't have one with me....but i do sled by myself, i go with just my wife throughout the west, i've had small groups of wolves look at us from close ranges with absolutely no fear, moose can also be formatible.....my scandium frame 44 mag is in a secure holster, on a belt around my mid-section, weapon in back, under my parka....not quite a quick draw rig, but can be brought to bear pretty quick.....makes a nice loud noise for finding me if i'm hurt, or protection if i need it
.22 caliber is enough to kill a human. If you research some of mob history the .22 short was often used to "whack" someone because of it's low noise report. And your right in a way, .22 has litterally no stopping power. But in the right place it will kill. But with a .22 it's more of a cause it pain and it more than likely decide your not as defensless as you seem and might not be worth the effort. And a Cat typically acts like a Coyote, Bobcat or any other mid to small size predator when it is shot. It will try to bite or claw the site of the impact and then try to run away because it doesn't fully understand what is going on. They know it is not good and survival instict to get the hell outta dodge kicks in.
I guess that is what I am looking for. Peoples experiences.
Please share if you don't mind. If it is too personal, than forget about it, just curious.
Not looking for an argument, just reading some of the posts a lot of guys talk about experiences that they were glad they had a gun, but then they don't go into specifics.
Tell me some stories.
BTW, I am not anti gun, I have 3 of them back home and I am a pretty good shot.
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I hear ya...
My rig was vandalized at Gold Creak last April.
Theft on the Pass, especially at trail heads happens frequently.
Could be because KitCo has a 20 ~ 30 minute response time.
I hear ya...
My rig was vandalized at Gold Creak last April.
Theft on the Pass, especially at trail heads happens frequently.
Could be because KitCo has a 20 ~ 30 minute response time.
Baggar- it gets talked about all the time on handgun forums by guys who understand the ballistics a lot better than I do. Do a search and you can read until your eyes bleed.
ruffryder- Go to www.gunfacts.info if that doesn't make you a believer you probably never will. IMO it comes down to this, if something happens- say you pick the wrong guy to get into a fender bender with in a remote access trail parking lot. The guy is pissed, maybe a little irrational and maybe decides he would feel better if he and his five buddies beat the chit out of you with a cresant wrench. If you call the cops the instant you brain processes all of this...how long do you think it will be until they arrive on scene? A half hour... maybe?
I just made story up and tried to make it a sled related scenario (ie there are probably holes in the story so don't nit pick), but do you see my point? Until the black and whites roll up you are on your own with Bruno and his buddies. If you show Bruno the business end of a 45 he might rethink his plan.
Humans have evolved to be creatures of our tools. We aren't fast, we aren't wary, we don't have sharp claws or teeth like other creatures, we have tools as our mechanism of defence and survival. Until the cops show up all you have are your hands, your head, and your tools. Some of us choose to have more tools at our disposal than bare hands and swear words, the tool some of us choose is a gun. Which do you choose?
If you push the send button on your phone (if you have reception), you'll have to wait X amount of minutes for help to stop Bruno. If you push the send button on a 45 it will reach him in .03 seconds (that is if you have to shoot him at all, which you 99.9% of the time won't have to to break contact).
Its not that we want to carry specifically for sledding. Its that we want to carry and be prepared all the time, including when we are sledding. You don't just turn on your avy beacon when you're high marking, you put it in your pocket when you leave the truck and it stays there until you get back.
Using deadly force is no small deal, and there is a lot more too it than what I've said. People licenced to carry usually have to go through a class the explains very specifically when leathal force is and is not justified. Even when it is black and white self defence you'll probably have to stand tall before the bench. But as previously stated would you rather be judged by 12 or carried by 6?
ruffryder- Go to www.gunfacts.info if that doesn't make you a believer you probably never will. IMO it comes down to this, if something happens- say you pick the wrong guy to get into a fender bender with in a remote access trail parking lot. The guy is pissed, maybe a little irrational and maybe decides he would feel better if he and his five buddies beat the chit out of you with a cresant wrench. If you call the cops the instant you brain processes all of this...how long do you think it will be until they arrive on scene? A half hour... maybe?
I just made story up and tried to make it a sled related scenario (ie there are probably holes in the story so don't nit pick), but do you see my point? Until the black and whites roll up you are on your own with Bruno and his buddies. If you show Bruno the business end of a 45 he might rethink his plan.
Humans have evolved to be creatures of our tools. We aren't fast, we aren't wary, we don't have sharp claws or teeth like other creatures, we have tools as our mechanism of defence and survival. Until the cops show up all you have are your hands, your head, and your tools. Some of us choose to have more tools at our disposal than bare hands and swear words, the tool some of us choose is a gun. Which do you choose?
If you push the send button on your phone (if you have reception), you'll have to wait X amount of minutes for help to stop Bruno. If you push the send button on a 45 it will reach him in .03 seconds (that is if you have to shoot him at all, which you 99.9% of the time won't have to to break contact).
Its not that we want to carry specifically for sledding. Its that we want to carry and be prepared all the time, including when we are sledding. You don't just turn on your avy beacon when you're high marking, you put it in your pocket when you leave the truck and it stays there until you get back.
Using deadly force is no small deal, and there is a lot more too it than what I've said. People licenced to carry usually have to go through a class the explains very specifically when leathal force is and is not justified. Even when it is black and white self defence you'll probably have to stand tall before the bench. But as previously stated would you rather be judged by 12 or carried by 6?
i had rented a beach house in florida for 3 months for my wife, small son and me....i was going to a specialized school at the time...i came home late after school one night, and studied out in the kitchen as i had a test the next day....sometime about mid-night, i'd had enough and went back into the bedroom...i sat on the bed to take off my shoes, and a feeling came over me that something wasn't right, the hair on my neck and arms literally stood on end and i immediately looked behind me.....across from my sleeping wife, a man stood between the curtains and the windows which were open (he pried open the screen)....he saw that he had been discovered and came for me, but the bed was in the way and he went to go around it....the 1911 .45 was out from under the pillow in a nanosecond, he saw it and dived out the window.....at the first light of dawn, i left the house to follow his tracks on the beach, he had a distinctive shoe print and i managed to follow them to his house, just as i arrived, he came out to go to work...when he saw me he absolutely froze......"i know who you are" i shouted, "i better not see you again"....i'm sure he outweighed me by 60-70 lbs, in the bedroom i was at a bad disadvantage, and the .45 turned the tide in my favor....out in the open, my conditioning, speed and martial arts, i wasn't afraid of him...but with a wife and son next to me, the pistol was worth every cent i paid for it....and it's still with me
Had a gun pulled on me two years ago early in the season. Big group of drunk 4 wheelers gettin Christmas trees and using the groomed trails. Made a big mess of the trails and scared the **** outta me and my family. Am I packing? Threaten me and my family and find out..
Slyrydr- that is one of the best self defense stories I've heard. Thanks for sharing. Glad no one was hurt.
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Well, up here there is no concealed carry and I've never, ever heard of a sledder needing a weapon for protection, or being attacked. The chances are so small of me getting attacked to the point of needing to shoot someone on my sled/in my sledding areas that it would be the same chance of accidentaly shooting myself/someone else. I'm all for the "because I want to" clause, but that doesn't change the it's largely unnessessary.If I had a nickel for every time I've heard "It's such a nice area" and "I can't believe it happened here" and "we never expected something like this", you and I would be rich. A person doesn't choose when something bad might happen; that would make it to easy. If you go to a 'bad' section of town, your senses are raised, alerts go off and you usually make better choices. But in the comfort of your backyard; shopping mall; bank; where ever (church anyone..??), you're more likely to encounter 'the moment' and OMG, are you going to wish you had thought differently. And not shoot a sledder? Hell, in a heartbeat if needed. A sledder doesn't guarantee a nice guy. Azz holes sled too. Just none of them on here
I would make a hefty wager that those who carry a weapon for protection while sledding leave piles of more pertinant safety equipment at home....
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People take classes to get driver's licences too and it's still a challenge to get to work alive somedays....
I pack mine for multiple reasons mainly for protection if needed but it also ads simple peace of mind i know when i venture away from home i have the capabilities to defend family friends and myself from whatever. Its a tool nothing more just like the first aid kit, water, food, clothing ,maps and communication. I think its better to be prepared for any situation then become a statistic you may never need it and only you can be the judge for that.
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Two things: First, don't carry then. It probably won't happen to most of us either. Oh well. But if it does...
Second, you'd lose the wager... Of course I can only speak of those I know. Fact is, people that carry are more likely to be prepared...that's one of the reasons they carry. It's in their nature, it's who they are.
Thoughts and conversations to think about someday when the chit hits the fan...
-Welcome to the phenomena of the meida, happy endings aren't worth reporting. Most gun uses aren't even reported to the police because there isn't a shot fired.
-Statistics don't support your claim of accidental shootings. Gunfacts.info is my source...what's your's? Example: In florida you are statisitcally twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator than be shot accidnetally by a CCW permit holder.
-You loose, I'm an Eagle scout therefore I pack more contingency gear than is proably practical. I am always prepared. PM me for the address you can send the money to.
Agreed, I have a whole other can of worms full of opinions about drivers licences. Getting a class D (that's what everybody has) should be brought up to the level of difficulty and intensity it takes to get a class A (which realistically isn't that hard either...I have one). There are many people on the road that shouldn't be IMO.
I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. Most traffic violations get you, what...a couple hundred dollar fine ...if that. Mis-use of a firearm will land you in jail so fast it will make your head spin. There is zero tolerance for mis-use of a gun. The screening process is more intense to get a carry permitt (backround checks, classes and what not) and people who have them take it much more seriously because we all know we are one poor desicion away from prison.
Again, it is NOT for everyone, but people who trust their firearm handling skills enough to carry (it is nerve wracking at first) for protection do it by the book have their sh*t together. People who don't trust themselves with guns quite simply don't carry them.
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I've had my own guns (started with a .22LR) since I was 8 years old. 17 years later I have STILL not shot myself or anyone else. My guns must be defective.
agreed....doesn't mean I don't carry, just that so far in my life it has been 100% unnecessary.
btw, there has been ONE TIME in my life that I actually went to pull my pistol and it wasn't there.
Scariest 30 seconds of my life, bar none! I NEVER want to have to relive that. Meth-head rushed my pickup in a WalMart parking lot as I backed out of my parking spot...he hit my drivers side window as his buddy hit my pax side window...I reached and groped for a pistol that had been next to me for 4 years straight, only to remember selling it a few weeks prior. They both tried my doors to find them locked, yelled, then turned and ran away....I pulled back into my parking spot and sat there a while to settle down. Had I found my pistol....well, my ears would have been ringing...I carry a flare gun, does that count?
honestly I cannot think of a good reason for packin a pistola while sledding.
Cougars arn't a good reason imo, they are fat & lazy in the winter (deer easy to get in the snow, lower elevations) and typically arn't in the alpine where the good riding is anyways. Sure I suppose one could attack you at the trail head or jump out of a tree while your rat racin to the steep n deep??
Moose in the trail I can see, way more possiblity than a cat...moose start chargin my arse and the snow too deep to run circles around a tree you could be in serious trouble! I'd park a ways off and give it room but what if you rat race round a corner and it's right there? Something to concider?
bad guys at the trail head? Chances are if someone is gonna jack your rig it'll be gone before you get back, it'll just simply be gone....but then why would they jack an empty rig on a trail head when they could wait until 3am when your passed out in the motel parking lot?
I never pack a gun, but I've been concidering it for road trips and going to the city etc, just never concidered it for sledding other than hunting trips.
honestly I cannot think of a good reason for packin a pistola while sledding.
Cougars arn't a good reason imo, they are fat & lazy in the winter (deer easy to get in the snow, lower elevations) and typically arn't in the alpine where the good riding is anyways. Sure I suppose one could attack you at the trail head or jump out of a tree while your rat racin to the steep n deep??
Moose in the trail I can see, way more possiblity than a cat...moose start chargin my arse and the snow too deep to run circles around a tree you could be in serious trouble! I'd park a ways off and give it room but what if you rat race round a corner and it's right there? Something to concider?
bad guys at the trail head? Chances are if someone is gonna jack your rig it'll be gone before you get back, it'll just simply be gone....but then why would they jack an empty rig on a trail head when they could wait until 3am when your passed out in the motel parking lot?
I never pack a gun, but I've been concidering it for road trips and going to the city etc, just never concidered it for sledding other than hunting trips.
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