You Pack a Firearm?

[Cat Kid]

i don't see the need to have everyone packing heat to stay safe. I think if you google'd violent crime and crime statistics in general, comparing the differences between Canada and the States, you'd have a hard time saying that guns make the states safer.

Actually I did research it for a college english paper. The crime rate in four Canadian prarie providences are 66% higher than the neighboring states to the south.

Again its not a NEED thing that everybody should do, its a desire thing in that those who want to should be able to.

You do know that the original intent of the law was not so that everyone can have a bunch of guns and walk around armed right?

The point of the law was to allow for people to legally form militia, the point being that there was not supposed to be a standing army.

Actually before there was a bill of rights, most of the 13 colonies had their own constitutions most of which had specific clauses stating an individual right to keep and bear arms- specifically CT, KY, PA, RI and VT if you care to look it up. The US constituion was largely based upon the consolidation of all the state constituions which would mean the founding fathers really did have personal firearms ownership and self defense in mind.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the supreme court says in the DC case.

 

[ruffryder]

Actually I did research it for a college english paper. The crime rate in four Canadian prarie providences are 66% higher than the neighboring states to the south.

So you compared the crime rate of most of Canada (I thought there were only three prairie provinces) to that of North Dakota, Minnesota, and what other sparsely populated states did you use? I am pretty sure the criminals in LA and Chicago would like to be represented too.

Actually before there was a bill of rights, most of the 13 colonies had their own constitutions most of which had specific clauses stating an individual right to keep and bear arms-

But of course, but the issue again is the words bear arms, which back in the day was used to mean fight in an army or a militia. If the wordage is the same as the 2nd amendment how can there be an argument about them meaning different things?

 

[Jaynelson]

A running truck, at idle after coming out of reverse and just before going into drive, in a parking lot with cars everywhere, with two guys suddenly at both doors (not in front, not behind) is not a weapon. There is physically no way to use it as such at that point. A .45 in the seat next to you is.

If my life was in danger....the truck would be able to do a lot of things. But I have great confidence in my vehicle handling abilities, and not so much in my gun handling abilities.

 

[Jaynelson]

Actually I did research it for a college english paper. The crime rate in four Canadian prarie providences are 66% higher than the neighboring states to the south.

Again its not a NEED thing that everybody should do, its a desire thing in that those who want to should be able to.

I did research in 24 years of living here and in my area, no one I know would have ever benefitted from having a gun on-person. I know quite a few local cops with decades of experience and most of them have never drawn their guns. In turn, I have no problem with not packing a gun, nor do I have a problem that others are not allowed to pack guns. To be honest, I don't even lock my damn house door and I like that.

IF someone needed pack a gun, sledding is about the last place I would "need" one, and so I would have no desire to pack equipment useless to the situation. You could bring a nice reciprocating saw sledding and probably find SOME use for it, but really what's the point?

I can see tho, it's one of those things that if you're used to always having it you feel "naked" without it. If you're comparing Canadian's to Americans, Americans in general are more concerned with safety-type equipment on the whole. Group of US sledders compared to Canadians you will generally see more protective vests, padding, NMFH etc....same as when we mountain bike.

 

[sledheadd]

I can easily see why in the U.S you would want to be packing.
Doing long hauls through the states years back a Texas ranger pulled me over.First ? he asked was if I was packing? I told him that I wasn't.
His response was well you should be.
That was my last load to the U.S.
In 15 years never needed a gun in Canada.

 

[MtnCrazy]

Hey cowkiller, I understand your point of view...I don't share the same opinion as you. We can't all agreed all the time, all I'm sayin is "I" don't believe you need one here in Canada. Even though our countries share a border, we think differently about things. I'm an avid hunter, own several guns...hold an FAC. Which is a firearms acquisition certificate, that allows me to purchase non restricted and restricted (handguns) weapons. Also I could give a rats azz what the government says, I still wouldn't carry one if it was legal!!! We just live in a different society up here and grow up thinking differently, now I'm 39 years old and have never been in a situation where holding a handgun would have helped. Just because someone runs me off the road in their drunken stooper doesn't make me think holding a handgun would make things better....just MY opinion.

 

[HighonBoost]

Are you guys gonna pack along your bear survival suit too, you know rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Was it fox news that advised you to carry a handgun when in the woods to fight off those viscious mountain lions? Just don't shoot me cat kid.

 

[cowkiller]

Hey cowkiller, I understand your point of view...I don't share the same opinion as you. We can't all agreed all the time, all I'm sayin is "I" don't believe you need one here in Canada. Even though our countries share a border, we think differently about things. I'm an avid hunter, own several guns...hold an FAC. Which is a firearms acquisition certificate, that allows me to purchase non restricted and restricted (handguns) weapons. Also I could give a rats azz what the government says, I still wouldn't carry one if it was legal!!! We just live in a different society up here and grow up thinking differently, now I'm 39 years old and have never been in a situation where holding a handgun would have helped. Just because someone runs me off the road in their drunken stooper doesn't make me think holding a handgun would make things better....just MY opinion.

OK, First off it would be illegal in Canada.
You guys are certainly entitled to your opinion. If it were illegal for me to carry I would not carry either. I have not been put in a "need to have a gun" situation myself however it happens quite often to others. Also I might add that it happens more often to those who are not prepared than to ones that are. Prepared means educated, legally allowed, and trained.
To me it is no different than preparing for avalanches. With training and equipment You may be able to save yourself or someone else. I have not been in an avalache either..... yet.
Saying it will never happen is Bordering on reckless stupidity.
I am not calling anyone stupid here just bringing to light that once you wish you had a gun in your hand it may be too late.
Just because you have'nt needed a gun yet does'nt mean you would'nt give your arm for one tommorow. This is life and death stuff and I choose not to put my head in the sand.
I guess the best part of this whole situation is that we do not have to agree.
I rarely carry a gun snowmobiling but at least I still have a choice

 

[adrenaline junkey]

I read a lot of the responses and I think a lot of you are misinterpreting its purpose. I see responses why some think you should be carrying and i see others trying to make sense of it. I for one and I'm sure most on here are thinking along the same lines. Its a last defence, when there is no other choice when you are backed up against a wall no where to run nothing else you can do is when its deployed. Its not a discouraging tool. its not an intimidating tool its not for everyone. I personally would never use deadly force unless there was no escape I have seen many say here that they have been in that situation where they have needed it but yet somehow or for some reason they are here and they didn't have a gun. that tells me that it wasn't time to deploy it because there was other options and you were successful. there are steps that must be followed and sometimes when are carrying you skip those steps and go right to your last resort. this is very unfortunate for both you and the other party rather its another human being or an animal.
I see a lot of trusting people and that makes me happy i wish i was in a environment like that unfortunately I'm not i watched society degrade from the the time when i was a child I didn't worry about locked doors my family being safe and never giving a second thought about anything. But times do indeed change and if you keep your eyes open you will see it.
when i sled I carry for survival I'm not worried about any sledders as a mater of fact i haven't met a bad one yet. The ones i have met which is a lot happen to be some of the best people in the world the most friendly and would do almost anything to help you out I do however know of one mt lion that lives 1 mile from where we unload up rock creek Idaho. we do see his cave and tracks coming out every time we go up there all of us look and its very visible right from the main road. I would hate to think one day i would drive up that road and see no more tracks he has been there a long time I almost look forward to hearing someone say yup he still is there. but i prepare for the worst and hope for the best

 

[adrenaline junkey]

Are you guys gonna pack along your bear survival suit too, you know rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Was it fox news that advised you to carry a handgun when in the woods to fight off those viscious mountain lions? Just don't shoot me cat kid.

LOl didn't anyone tell ya bears hibernate

 

[xrated]

I cannot think of one reason to carry a gun on a recreational sled ride. Makes me wonder what kind of person needs to take a handgun with them. I have spent my life outside, haven't needed a gun yet. Like what are you gonna shoot? A beer can or a small criter for sport? Or maybe a cracked-out-sled-jacker.

Do you drive a car with your gun?.....Maybe wave it when running a red light, or telling the squeegee-kid to get lost?

Do you carry a knife? Same thing, just a tool and you may use it or you may not.

 

[xrated]

You do know that the original intent of the law was not so that everyone can have a bunch of guns and walk around armed right?

The point of the law was to allow for people to legally form militia, the point being that there was not supposed to be a standing army.

Kinda hard to form a militia if nobody has a gun or it's locked up down at the shooting range! Or if the rulers know where they all are. Yep would have been mighty interesting at Bunker Hill if all our boys had to hike down and unlock their guns that the Brits knew about.

I think if you google'd violent crime and crime statistics in general, comparing the differences between Canada and the States, you'd have a hard time saying that guns make the states safer.


Google population and population density well your at it there bud.

 

[Jaynelson]

"They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face."

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

I personally would never use deadly force unless there was no escape I have seen many say here that they have been in that situation where they have needed it but yet somehow or for some reason they are here and they didn't have a gun. that tells me that it wasn't time to deploy it because there was other options and you were successful.

I'm guessing the one's that weren't succesful can no longer respond.
Kind of a one sided theory isn't it?

 

[Nate]

I just dont think Canadians understand what its like to go to walmart, pick up a dozen eggs, gallon of milk, and slip over to sporting goods and buy a shotgun

Not enough people carry guns, but people whom dont really seem to understand have never been around them, or your parents made you scared, or your Canadian, and just dont have the luxury of owning one. Which sucks for some of you canadians If you dont want to pack one and dissagree then thats cool, but dont hate on those who do pack one, because they understand what this world is turning into

 

[mtnsun]

Packin' Heat!

Dam right.... I pack my .44 just about every place I go. Including while riding. Living in Colorado, riding the back country you never know.... I pack for many reasons. I am a firm believer that you take more than you need (medical kit, emergency stuff & protection) because you can't always make it back o the truck & trailer to get it if need be.
Plus, the .44 tends to eliminate the potential for a slab to break off if I am out riding in the back country. Sometimes one shot will pack enough punch to release built up snow and save the next rider from getting burried. I would rather have it, than wish I had it in a bad situation.

 

[adrenaline junkey]

I'm guessing the one's that weren't succesful can no longer respond.
Kind of a one sided theory isn't it?

yes very true. just pointing out that there are options for the ones who say they needed a gun. but its only speculation I wasn't there only going on the information i was given and no one can say different until your in that persons shoes. just my opinion

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

yes very true. just pointing out that there are options for the ones who say they needed a gun. but its only speculation I wasn't there only going on the information i was given and no one can say different until your in that persons shoes. just my opinion

My main point here is that I am thankful to have the right to have one and NEVER need it because the alternative is unacceptable to me.

And by the way, Our constitution nor our bill of rights gave us the right to carry guns. It was a right given to us "By the Creator" and guarrenteed by the bill of rights.
"A right granted by the creator cannot be resinded by man"

I wish I could remember who originally made that quotable statement but I can't!

Why didn't "The Creator" grant the same right to our brothers to the North?

He likes us more
Just funnin ya on that one !!!

 

[CatWoman]

*snip* I fabbed a uncle mikes thumb break holster onto my chest harness which holds avalanche beacon GPS and and radio. keeps it just under one layer a zipper away. used it atving rappelling and snowmobiling

I'm NOT bashing, but you should NEVER keep those electronics next to your beacon. May very well cause a failure because of interference. It should tell you that in your beacon manual.

 

[kosstro]

guns

Everyone is bringing up some good points, but i would like to clarify one thing:
Canadians can and do own guns!

I can go and apply for my restricted license and have a handgun in a month. (depending how long it takes for my paperwork to go through)
A buddy of mine had his own 9mm and shotgun about 3 months after he turned 18.
Also, there's nothing to stop someone from putting one in their pack, or keeping one under the seat, etc. We just choose not to! It's a cultural thing. We feel no need, and there is no need, in my opinion.
Not that there's anything wrong with packing heat, I have nothing against it if people do, I just have never felt the need myself, and none of the dozens of people i know that own guns carry them either.

When we do pack heat is on hiking trips, but Grizzly bears hibernate, so we have no worries during the winter.

Also we buy bullets at Canadian Tire, not Walmart.