why you shouldn't use a sled deck on a toyota

[High Velocity]

90% of Chevy half tones tow better than most 3/4 ford and dodges with or with out air bags. I have a friend with a lifted 04 3/4 ford power stroke and its the biggest POS ever.

My 1996 Chevy 1500 tows the same travel trailer as his does and gets better mpg, handles better, doesn't squat as much, and still handles good.

Don't know much about your 1/2 ton Chevy's tow ratings or how well you feel it tows. It likely does fine for what you're towing, but I guarantee it's not gonna outpull my Cummins. The original comments I made though were about people thinking they can carry a chit load more weight in their 1/2 tons just because they've got air bags. Whether or not the truck doesn't squat because of air bags, doesn't matter because you're still exceeding the legal GVW of the vehicle. The brakes, steering, etc. are engineered to function as required up to the gvw of the vehicle. Are they gonna do their job when the vehicle is grossly overloaded ? Maybe, maybe not. It's basically the same thing towing. There are also gross combined weight ratings and max. tow ratings on tow vehicles. Exceed those ratings by large amounts and you put yourself and others at risk. Some people think as long as their truck will pull it, the trailer brakes will help stop it. What if a wire connection for your trailer brakes came apart while you're driving down the road, unbeknownst to you. All of a sudden you have to make a panic stop (animal on road, whatever). Are the brakes in your light, 1/2 ton pickup going to be able to quickly and safely bring your overloaded truck/trailer combo to a stop ? Personally, I love seeing guys with overloaded light trucks pulled over and ticketed heavily. Makes the roads safer for the rest of us.

 

[Clarke673]

When i pulled this through town in 4wd and the driver in the truck hit the breaks my truck actually flexed enough to almost lift the front drivers side tire off the ground. Amerigas truck=heavy pig

160,000 miles of burn outs, towing, camping, sledding mud bog and mud drag competitions (took first 2 years in a row in Bozeman fairgrounds stock truck 35" tire)

Only toyota that ever beat me in the mud had Chevy 1 tone axles under it and a 502 bb. IMO, Chevy always has and always will be the trucks to beat. You sure see a lot more old Chevy’s still used as work trucks than old fords, dodges, and Toyotas.

 

[vmaxfrank]

Do you know how many "American" companies are owned by foreign companies.

Like Dodge, at least 20% still owned by Benz.

 

[powderbound]

What does american made mean? Does Toyota, honda etc actually make most of their components in the USA or do they make the compenents in japan and then ASSEMBLE the vehicle in the USA.

 

[Jaynelson]

What does american made mean? Does Toyota, honda etc actually make most of their components in the USA or do they make the compenents in japan and then ASSEMBLE the vehicle in the USA.

You can ask the same question for any of the big 3.....

 

[Jaynelson]

You sure see a lot more old Chevy’s still used as work trucks than old fords, dodges, and Toyotas.

Considering GM had 50%+ marketshare up until 10 years ago, that would stand to reason.

 

[Deadwood]

When i pulled this through town in 4wd and the driver in the truck hit the breaks my truck actually flexed enough to almost lift the front drivers side tire off the ground. Amerigas truck=heavy pig

160,000 miles of burn outs, towing, camping, sledding mud bog and mud drag competitions (took first 2 years in a row in Bozeman fairgrounds stock truck 35" tire)

Only toyota that ever beat me in the mud had Chevy 1 tone axles under it and a 502 bb. IMO, Chevy always has and always will be the trucks to beat. You sure see a lot more old Chevy’s still used as work trucks than old fords, dodges, and Toyotas.

That's nice, but as a former Chev owner--81, 81, 88, 93, 94, 97, 99, and 2005, i can tell you that your truck stock to mine stock-the 07 Tundra-- It would pull you AND that truck faster than you could pull it yourself.
The numbers don't lie. 400 ft/lbs of torque and 381 HP. The Tundra rear diff makes the 90's Chev's look like a toy.

My 97 Z71 couldn't pull 6000 lbs as hard as my Tundra pulls 11000 lbs. See for yourself sometime. I like Chevy too, I just like Toyota better.
99 percent of guys talking about Toyota - and Nissan-for that matter-have never used one to pull anything.

 

[MT_mtn_climber]

That's nice, but as a former Chev owner--81, 81, 88, 93, 94, 97, 99, and 2005, i can tell you that your truck stock to mine stock-the 07 Tundra-- It would pull you AND that truck faster than you could pull it yourself.
The numbers don't lie. 400 ft/lbs of torque and 381 HP. The Tundra rear diff makes the 90's Chev's look like a toy.

My 97 Z71 couldn't pull 6000 lbs as hard as my Tundra pulls 11000 lbs. See for yourself sometime. I like Chevy too, I just like Toyota better.
99 percent of guys talking about Toyota - and Nissan-for that matter-have never used one to pull anything.

Have to agree, from an actual 4 time Tundra owner, used to have 2 06 DC Tundras. Now have an 07 DC and 08 Crew Max. I had the Deck setup on one of the 06's with Airbags, was fine not ideal but handle fine. Now have the Deck setupon the 07 which is a much larger and more powerful truck. I haven't put airbags on yet and with the deck on truck and sleds full of fuel it only squatted the truck 2 1/2". I wanted to see how it would do without them first but planned on installing as soon as I got a set to install. Drove 300 miles on Sunday with no issues and the trucks get around amazingly well with the weight in the back and the traction control feature. I could barely tell the sleddeck was on the truck other than the better traction. I also pull a 9k 5th with the 07 and it pulls it like no other. Almost as good as my 05 Cummins with the Juice/Attitude setup. As was said before I was tired of the lack of quality on certain things on the many new trucks I've owned from Dodge and Chevy. Chevy 00, 01, 03, 04 -4x4,front end and eletrical issues. 05 Cummins- 2 Front ends, door locks, Wiper motor, Cab lights pooring water. None of these trucks had more than 50k on them and all were new except 1 with 20k when I bought it. With over 115k on the Toyota's we've owned since switching none of the major problems have come up with them that the others have. The 07 1/2 Toyota is twice the truck the 3/4 chevy's and GMC's were for pulling. I'll stick with my Toyotas for now.
And yes, I know I'm very close to overweight if not over but not too worried about it.
And the Ford marketing videos are just that, the bed bounce and sway are known on the Tundra, they just exploited them to make their truck look better. Get a sway bar for the Tundra and most that is gone if it's an issue. I've never owned a Ford because I was too afraid of them.... seen my friends and Dad have way too many trany and motor issues and milage has has been poor with them over the years so I can't comment directly on them. New one does look nice.

 

[DrSmooth]

I'd sell my sled if I had to buy a Ford to haul it

 

[ridehard1212]

When i pulled this through town in 4wd and the driver in the truck hit the breaks my truck actually flexed enough to almost lift the front drivers side tire off the ground. Amerigas truck=heavy pig

160,000 miles of burn outs, towing, camping, sledding mud bog and mud drag competitions (took first 2 years in a row in Bozeman fairgrounds stock truck 35" tire)

Only toyota that ever beat me in the mud had Chevy 1 tone axles under it and a 502 bb. IMO, Chevy always has and always will be the trucks to beat. You sure see a lot more old Chevy’s still used as work trucks than old fords, dodges, and Toyotas.

i dont know how some people can be so brand loyal and pig headed... Ive owned them all..Actually still do... personaly i have had 06 ford 05 GM and a 07 5.9 cummin and my wife drives a 08 tundra.. Each has +++ and ---

Ford- can't build a good engine or tranny but best interior and are tough aside from engine/tranny

Dodge, Great engine, useless tranny, ok interior, decent ride, did i mention cummins.

GM, Good engine, Best tranny, decent interior, new one dont ride well and pretty light.

toyota: in need of 1 ton, tow unreal, Not sure on towing in winter as alot lighter truck, nice interior, yamaha reliabilty, and not having to be bailed out because they are not useless as far as accounting skills go like the big three.

I just cant stand people who are like GM GM GM, just because there dad liked GM, Take alook around open your eyes abit

 

[cmantle1]

i dont know how some people can be so brand loyal and pig headed... Ive owned them all..Actually still do... personaly i have had 06 ford 05 GM and a 07 5.9 cummin and my wife drives a 08 tundra.. Each has +++ and ---

Ford- can't build a good engine or tranny but best interior and are tough aside from engine/tranny

Dodge, Great engine, useless tranny, ok interior, decent ride, did i mention cummins.

GM, Good engine, Best tranny, decent interior, new one dont ride well and pretty light.

toyota: in need of 1 ton, tow unreal, Not sure on towing in winter as alot lighter truck, nice interior, yamaha reliabilty, and not having to be bailed out because they are not useless as far as accounting skills go like the big three.

I just cant stand people who are like GM GM GM, just because there dad liked GM, Take alook around open your eyes abit

on the topic of useless people involved in the company, i have to give ford some credit. i think it was two years ago they hired a new CEO, before ford he worked for boeing. Anyway, hes the reason ford is in a slightly better position then the other two....

 

[TFB]

Just a little note to those who defend Toyota as being "American Made". YOUR foreign automakers only have FINAL assembly plants in this country. Stamping your logo on the front of a vehicle coming down the assembly line in America that's parts were all assembled in China and Korea for 50 cents an hour is not my idea of American made. With a little research you will find out that Toyota is all about Toyota. When the tragedies occurred on 9/11, and families and communities all over this country were devastated, Ford, GM and Chrysler spend millions of dollars and donated vehicles by the thousands to help aid this country. Toyota & Honda posted their deepest sympathies on their websites and retreated to count their record profits from sales in OUR COUNTRY. If these are the companies you want to defend as AMERICAN MADE, then that's on you.

As far as the durability debate goes, when it comes right down to it, there is a reason that Toyota's new flagship Tundra plant in Texas is sitting idle.When times are good and those who don't really need a truck are buying just to say they have one, Toyota can sell. But when gas prices reach an all time high, those who don't need a truck for work or hauling quit buying trucks. Simply put, those who buy a truck for work or hauling, buy domestic trucks. Here's to America.

 

[08 D7]

ya the toyota tundra aint bad for a gas pot...but hey it cant keep up with my cummins, or hit the same MPG's....400 foot pounds off the engine, not to the tires...my truck makes around 900 foot pounds to tires and still gets 25MPG...goin to the hill lots of the gas trucks try to keep up, but i just gotta push the skinny pedal and walk away from them...and the new tundras have the equivalent to a dana 44 axle in the rear..mine has a dana 80...hmm which is stronger

 

[Mafesto]

ya the toyota tundra aint bad for a gas pot...but hey it cant keep up with my cummins, or hit the same MPG's....400 foot pounds off the engine, not to the tires...my truck makes around 900 foot pounds to tires and still gets 25MPG...goin to the hill lots of the gas trucks try to keep up, but i just gotta push the skinny pedal and walk away from them...and the new tundras have the equivalent to a dana 44 axle in the rear..mine has a dana 80...hmm which is stronger

In all fairness.......
That's like comparing a scrawny litte Japanese dry cleaner to an all American middle linebacker.

 

[ruffryder]

Toyota & Honda posted their deepest sympathies on their websites and retreated to count their record profits from sales in OUR COUNTRY.

That is BS... they gave the same if not more.... Again... that is BS, do some research....

 

[TFB]

Ruffryder I sincerely respect your opinion, but I have done my research. Foreign companies that sell products in this country rarely come to the front in times of conflict and defend the US. I live in Michigan so you may think that I'm just a homer rooting for his team, but domestic automaker do far more that foreign brands for the good of this country.

Just a side note, Michigan has the more registered snowmobiles than any state in this country, many of which use there money to help lobby for our sport. How do you think a large majority of those people make their money? Toyota?

 

[MT_mtn_climber]

ya the toyota tundra aint bad for a gas pot...but hey it cant keep up with my cummins, or hit the same MPG's....400 foot pounds off the engine, not to the tires...my truck makes around 900 foot pounds to tires and still gets 25MPG...goin to the hill lots of the gas trucks try to keep up, but i just gotta push the skinny pedal and walk away from them...and the new tundras have the equivalent to a dana 44 axle in the rear..mine has a dana 80...hmm which is stronger

There you guys go again comparing a 1/2 ton gas truck to a 1 ton deisel. Not the same truck and what I said was mine tows "almost" as well as my 05 Cummins with the same HP and Torque your rig has.... I don't hall 20k trailers around and decided I didn't need the addded maintenance and fuel costs of the deisel plus the stuff I already posted about problems. If they could put a Cummins motor with an Allison behind it and drop that into a Ford Heavy F-350 King Ranch I'd be all over it but they don't.
You have to be Canadian, no way you're getting 25 miles per American Gallon, maybe imperial.... in that case my Tundra gets 22 and gas is 80 cents to a dollar a gallon cheaper than deisel, do the math. Tundra goes 440 miles on 20 gallons of fuel for a cost of 28.60 (1.43current price here), Deisel goes 440 on 17.6 gallons for a cost of 39.24 (2.23 current price here). Seems you are about 11 dollars short. Towing they are close to the same, too I would get 2-3 MPG better with my Deisel than my Tundra. Same math again which means I can spend more on every trip on Steaks and a few of these and put of with my crappy wimpy Tundra.....
Bottom line, bang for your buck the Tundra is hard to beat for most guys needs in a truck. Why do you think all the Big 3's new commercials are constantly referrencing the Tundra?

 

[Deadwood]

I live in Michigan so you may think that I'm just a homer rooting for his team, but domestic automakers do far more than foreign brands for the good of this country.

"Big three bailout"-for the good of....the country?
When truck sales slowed, how much did prices come down? By about how much they were overcharging you in the first place?
Then they steal your money again?
lol.

 

[Deadwood]

lol someone gave me negative rep for this thread...."Toyota sucks" was all it said.
I wish just one person could say they had one and it fell apart doing what Toyota said it would. Just one. Anyone? Anyone? Not "I heard this one guy", but first hand.
Come on, Toyota sucks, help me out here.

 

[ruffryder]

Ruffryder I sincerely respect your opinion, but I have done my internet hype reading.

Check this out dog.... you have been snoped!

I was a little wrong, not same or more, but pretty darn close wrt toyota and honda..