Light snow or heavy, once it slides it's like concrete.
Why can't saving lives be affordable???
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slednutz
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Have you ever been in one? I guess I can't answer that for you but I have and was going down hill when it caught up to me and it was not like concrete, if it was a major avalanche I would have been buried but this was not. I just don't see how you can't justify that they work after people have reported them working and dummy deployments have been maid consistently showing the dummy to stay on top of the snow
Not saying they don't work but results from actual ppl using them would make the difference for me wanting one.
I need to buy 3 avy packs this fall for me and the kids...have decided 1 is a for sure..we will swap on the hill...I suggest all do this..if you cant afford it on your own..make a deal with your riding buddies..all chip in on the first one..then on the second and so on till all have them..swap on the hill in a safe area and take turns..is my plan for next winter...and we will all have the safety of an avy pack when we are on a hill.....even though we will have to share..
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slednutz
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I'm not trying to make an argument i'm just saying my life is worth way more than 1000 dollars so I am going to take whatever precaution I can including avy training and all the other essentials. I am not disagreeing that they are expensive but it is definently an expense that I will pay for.
just got my 15 in for 600$ Best pack i have ever owned. the fit and finish is amazing. Buy One. you wont regret it.
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Two years ago in McCall we almost lost our friend in a avalache. Using the beacons and probes we found him 8 feet down and it took 25 minutes to get to him. When we cleared his airway he was not breathing and suddenly took a big gasp for air. He is alive and his family is greatful.
This year we lost our good riding friend and great man Carl Corder in a 1300 foot horizontal slab avalanche. We were riding in a area where there is little avalanche danger. ONLY two of us were weariing beacons and he was not found in time. Carls son was there that day and is still dealing with the loss of his dad and riding buddy.
My wife asked me to buy the ABS pack and said, I don't care what it cost, we don't want to have to go through that again.
Woof is right. We owe it to our loved ones to be responsible and come home safely. If you climb on snow packed hills they can and will slide if the conditions are right.
DO NOT be lazy with your life. Grab an extra shift hear and there. Sell a gun. Cut back on your eating out and save the money for an ABS pack. YOUR LIFE IS WORTH IT.
Carl Corder will be missed.
Two years ago in McCall we almost lost our friend in a avalache. Using the beacons and probes we found him 8 feet down and it took 25 minutes to get to him. When we cleared his airway he was not breathing and suddenly took a big gasp for air. He is alive and his family is greatful.
This year we lost our good riding friend and great man Carl Corder in a 1300 foot horizontal slab avalanche. We were riding in a area where there is little avalanche danger. ONLY two of us were weariing beacons and he was not found in time. Carls son was there that day and is still dealing with the loss of his dad and riding buddy.
My wife asked me to buy the ABS pack and said, I don't care what it cost, we don't want to have to go through that again.
Woof is right. We owe it to our loved ones to be responsible and come home safely. If you climb on snow packed hills they can and will slide if the conditions are right.
DO NOT be lazy with your life. Grab an extra shift hear and there. Sell a gun. Cut back on your eating out and save the money for an ABS pack. YOUR LIFE IS WORTH IT.
Carl Corder will be missed.
I know a fella who was in a slide with an airbag and did not have the frame of mind to deploy it when things got ugly. I can't say how many people this may happen to, but a fair amount of mental coolness is necessary in order for the bag to save your life. I know a few people who ride with ABS packs and they all have money coming out of their ears. I know many many more working folks who do not ride with packs although they would like to have them. (What's Your Life Worth) may sound like a good argument, but for alot of folks working week to week and just squeaking by it's simply one more addage that will be ignored.
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Alot of people including me really make a big deal about whether or not to buy the air pack or not. It becomes a big deal when you think about living, dying leaving behind wife, children and other family members. I hope it does make people reflect. I do have to say that it is a huge decision to make that should be based on a persons situation. Granted an avy can happen at the most unexpected times but I have and do ride with a few guys that have the pack but will never ever need it (probably a good thing), due to how and where they ride. The decision needs to be made according to riding style and riding location, only a realistic and honest analyzation will work.
Alot of people including me really make a big deal about whether or not to buy the air pack or not. It becomes a big deal when you think about living, dying leaving behind wife, children and other family members. I hope it does make people reflect. I do have to say that it is a huge decision to make that should be based on a persons situation. Granted an avy can happen at the most unexpected times but I have and do ride with a few guys that have the pack but will never ever need it (probably a good thing), due to how and where they ride. The decision needs to be made according to riding style and riding location, only a realistic and honest analyzation will work.
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minecat
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My response to this topic is that i think every on should have one i purchased one at the end of this season I am a little P O about the price of them when it probably only costs around 100 to manufacter them and then they sell them for the ungoddly amount i think the makers of these packs should stop trying to make such a big profit off the potentially deadly situation. I think it is horriable that these companies are comfortable with making somebody choose between life and death just because of the price of there packs !!!!
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slednutz
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minecat you are not paying for the cost of the materials you are paying for the cost of the development of these packs. I would make good assumption in saying these companies are not rolling in the money due to the fact that for them to even sell their product they had to put countless hours and time and money into the development of these airbags. If they are so simple and so cheap then why are there not 5 other companies making them for 100 dollars a bag so everybody can afford them.
The pack's design is too simple of a design, when ABS applied for patents they did the same as simmons flex ski did with their skis. When writing the patents you make your description so general that it covers a wide aspect of design characteristics that currently or could describe the products design. That is how simmons flex ski won their law suit against ski doo when ski doo "copied" the simmons ski design on their mxz's sleds. The mxz was actually quite different and didn't look anything like a flex ski, but simmons wrote the patent so loose that the ski doo's ski still managed to fall subject to simmons flex ski patent description.
I apologize for the ramble, just a little bit more...nobody can make a pack because it is so simple and ABS would be able to go after whoever 'copied' them and win the law suit. Yeah the research is worth something but only to a certain point. It's been mentioned earlier concerning the high end dollar figure required to purchase this pack. The price is just too high, not affordable. The pack's price has come to the point that it literaly stands in the way of an actual human person being alive. All the r and d in the world isn't worth a life.
I apologize for the ramble, just a little bit more...nobody can make a pack because it is so simple and ABS would be able to go after whoever 'copied' them and win the law suit. Yeah the research is worth something but only to a certain point. It's been mentioned earlier concerning the high end dollar figure required to purchase this pack. The price is just too high, not affordable. The pack's price has come to the point that it literaly stands in the way of an actual human person being alive. All the r and d in the world isn't worth a life.
No bad against simmons flex ski, a new set of simmons only cost a third of an ABS pack...but of course, skis don't save lives do they?
i have an WARI AFD vest there great i love mine..if im not mistakin there still in the prototype stage so only few riders have them i just fortunate that my dad know the guys from invermere that created them. the vest is great its comfortable and has many pockets to store stuff in there is a shovel pouch at the back and clips for the shovel handel aswell. the Co2 tank is on located in a pouch on the left of your back and you dont even kown its there. the flotation device is in a 8 inch wide by 3 inch tall pouch near the top of the vest. intergrating the shovel pouch was a great idea becuase who wants to try and find a shovel when the sled could be burried. this is a great product and hope to see it on a more affordable market soon. heres a link to a post they had on snowest http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55687
....Sky, get ahold of me. I can get you into our avalanche class this fall, in Wenatchee, for 25 bucks. Also, Condottia's will sell you a beacon for 200 bucks.
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Ace I will get ahold of ya, I'd like to get myself and my bro and anyone else I can talk into it in the class. Hell I've told my bro I'd pay for his class. Myself, I've done classes before back when I boarded heavily and volunteered on the ridge, I've done mountain rescue, I'm a former firefighter/US Marine with rescue training and survival training.... but I'll take any class I can and always try and keep fresh on skills. I was simply trying to point out the fact, electronics continue to get cheaper but when it comes to life saving devices it almost seems some people put a premium on them knowing people will pay high prices to protect themselves.
....Do you know Brad and Jeremy, then? Thay are the one's that put on the class.....
Not sure, probably not, been outta the loop for a few years. Just moved back up here after the corps a few years ago and just started sledding year before last.
Beacons and ABS packs are not cheap to produce, just thought I would jump in and clear that up for everybody. Talk to your local dealer about both of those items and they will tell you they make next to nothing on either of them.
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minecat
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Thats what every manufacter will tell you, they are not going to let the consumer know what there profit margin is, or nobody would buy them, because nobody likes to be tken advantage of.
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