I like to support my local shops that give good service, but I'm not afraid to check prices at the online stores etc. And then give the local shop a chance to match, or come close to matching the price. I will pay a bit more to a local dealer but I dont like getting screwed either.
Why can't saving lives be affordable???
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It is unfortunate that people put a cost on a product that may possibly save a life! The thing that gets me is guys who drop $13,000.00 on a sled but wont spend $2000.00 to make sure that you make it home at the end of the day. More than likely the same people who dont wear seatbelts. Give yourself every chance for survival in an avalanche!
Totally agree with this!! Some people will NEVER have them because of the pricing. If that pricing was lower, more people would buy, and buy for other family members......ie the spouse/partner, children, siblings, etc. Heck, even just looking at how many peeps are turned away because of cost....that'd be one heck of a pick up on sales if pricing were more reasonable. That's a big market share in itself being lost to any kind of sale.
I see the point of those posting about the high dollar sleds....but not everyone has those, or fancy trailer, or fancy truck, etc.
The hubby and I won't be owning any unless we win the lottery, or they come down significantly in price. Until then, we'll rely on our brains, and avy education to try and keep us out of harms way.
till you need it
You never need it until you need it and then cost seems to be a non issue.
Speaking of the costs......have you ever tried to make a beacon, or a ABS pack?
You never need it until you need it and then cost seems to be a non issue.
Speaking of the costs......have you ever tried to make a beacon, or a ABS pack?
Yeah, Marco,Pollo is not a fun game when your unconcious under a meter of snow, and have a broken leg....
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CoyoteGirl
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One of the cheapest ways to save lives is knowledge. Learn where not to go, when not to go, etc. Alot of it is free. However, most sledders don't take advantage of it.
With this said. Yup, all of this stuff is expensive. I don't have the ABS pack, but I have beacon, shovel, probe. Right now, I don't have the funds for the ABS pack, so I'm educating myself.
With this said. Yup, all of this stuff is expensive. I don't have the ABS pack, but I have beacon, shovel, probe. Right now, I don't have the funds for the ABS pack, so I'm educating myself.
life rafts
I got it! We can all purchase those self inflating life rafts and strap it to our backs. i will market this product as the ss minnow. dont get upset i take safety seriously, someday the abs packs should become affordable as some of us take the brunt of paying for R and D, and liability. i would like to see one though that is more of a backpack, the current design is for skiers and snowboarders. i want a pack with the inflation device, my hydration bladder, and room for everything else we need just in case. so im not in line for one yet till more features come out
I got it! We can all purchase those self inflating life rafts and strap it to our backs. i will market this product as the ss minnow. dont get upset i take safety seriously, someday the abs packs should become affordable as some of us take the brunt of paying for R and D, and liability. i would like to see one though that is more of a backpack, the current design is for skiers and snowboarders. i want a pack with the inflation device, my hydration bladder, and room for everything else we need just in case. so im not in line for one yet till more features come out
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frock
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Sometimes we shoot ourselves in the foot. I had a buddy who owned a ski-doo dealership a few years back. He had some holdover sleds that he tried to get out the door. He offered a deal where you would get a beacon, shovel and probe with the purchase of the sled or you could take the equivalent amount of money on aftermarket goodies. Guess what the vast majority chose the goodies.I would like to see a snowpulse in person has anybody examined one up close?
http://www.snowpulse.ch/v3/en/produit.php
http://www.snowpulse.ch/v3/en/produit.php
This is what can help bring down the price....competition gota love it. Same basic ide as the ABS pack.
You hit the nail on the head. Competition always lowers prices. Once there are more manufacturers of Airbag systems, the price will eventually drop.
Believe me, I would like to see the price of the ABS packs drop. They are expensive to import and with the weak dollar, they get even more expensive to import.
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Have you checked into imported those snopulse packs. I like the idea of it coming out around you head and torso
I like that too...but how woudl the bag work with a lid on the head? Sure wish the damn pages and prices weren't in french though.
here some info http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KENr_9gK5f0 i thinking it would form right around the helmet and user refillable
Benchwarmer,
You have pretty much summed up the whole picture very well.
I have worked for manufactures for the last 17 years and every thing you have said is spot on. Research and development, engineering/design, prototyping as well as testing of a product, tooling and re-tooling, sourcing, manufacturing, marketing, distribution, freight, liability, not to mention general overhead of running a business all ads up. On top of that, you are talking about a "safety" product, which probably requires one level or another of certification.
When it's all said and done, a person could still get caught in an avalanche wearing an ABS pack and get killed. There are no guarantees. Wearing an ABS pack is no substitute for knowing your way around avalanche terrain and safe travel practice.
Competition can lower prices, however this will remain a finite market. Has competition between beacon manufactures brought the price down? I don't see the new Tracker, Mammut, Ortovox and Pieps units selling for less, if anything the price threshold seems to be going up...
Anyone who considers getting into this market is going to look at the size of it, look at potential units, and get cold feet
pardon the pun. I would argue that this is not an expanding market, therefore it comes down to steeling market share, which in turn adds to overhead relative to related marketing expense, price incentive, etc...Thought more about this while riding this weekend.
One idea that might help a manufacture to better manage forecasting
and perhaps lower the price at retail, might be to offer a "spring check" incentive program similar to the sled companies.
One idea that might help a manufacture to better manage forecasting
and perhaps lower the price at retail, might be to offer a "spring check" incentive program similar to the sled companies.
watched a Gong show this weekend in Golden. Avy risk is high everywhere, and there were groups out highmarking two and three at a time on a slope. Also watched a guy get stuck on a slope and then his buddy went and highmarked above him while he was digging out. Fortunatly there were no slides, but tons of potential. Just little things like one guy on a slope at a time, and not sitting right in an avy path watching can save lives more effectivly than any safety gear.
Someone needs to tell these guys that being smart doesnt make you any less hardcore, or extreme, or whatever else they think they are.
Someone needs to tell these guys that being smart doesnt make you any less hardcore, or extreme, or whatever else they think they are.
Any new item will have a high cost to recover R&D. However, maybe there needs to be more group buys? I think if 100 or 1,000 peeps from Snowest came together for a group buy the price would drop dramatically. Another thought is the sled manufactures purchasing these in large quantities and sending them out the door with the new sleds???
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