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Why Can't Lightweight and Reliability Exist in the same sled?

XP - 150 hp (@ sea level) 450 lbs(dry) = 3 lbs per hp
Apex (boosted) 310 hp(at altitude) 700 lbs (ready to ride) = 2.33 lbs per hp
The xp isn't going to compete with a Tapex
 
Winterbrew do you have a new track on your rev? I'm thinking that rock hard track on the rev would be a serious disadvantage in the steep and deep. Just a thought as to why it sucks in the pow.

Yep, that '07 track was the first thing to go. Went to a Camo 9941.
I'm not saying the Rev chassis sucks in the deep, actually it does very well...but the XP does ALOT better.
 
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Hold over 08 M1000 162 with full waranty $9200, if you know where to look.

SLP single pipe set with pipe and controller $900ish, $600 for slightly used on snowest swap meet, thats what I sold mine for. 16lbs

Boss seat, a must, very comfortable and easy on your knees. $500, 8lbs

Timbersled rear skid, very good skid and strong. $1500, 20lbs

Timbersled or BDX intake $300, 8lbs

A good set of vents $100 or more a must for all sleds, 0 lbs.

Also consider a set of modified powder pro skis.

This is the setup I more or less ran last year with the exception that I made my own Timbersled type intake for around $60. This was a very reliable set up, as reliable as any stock sled, only much more powerful with a premium ride.

Grand total, if done correctly, just a shade under $12000, 52lbs lighter, with 190+ hp. A dry weight of some where around 475-480lbs, very strong, light, and RELIABLE!
Later
 
Thanks Goingover, why did you sell such a cool sled? What did you replace it with, a 2009 M1000?

The fact the turbos maintain their hp at elevation is huge for mountain riding but the weight spooks me.

Maybe I should be looking harder at the pump gas turbos for the M8, D8 and XP8? I have to wonder how long they'll hold together pushing boost.

I like the idea of superchargers too but, everything I read seems to indicate turbos are superior. That's a Ford vs. Chevy argument I don't want to get into now.

Frosty
 
Buy one of winter's IQR.


450 pounds
155 hp
Strongest, best looking, best performing chassis ever made and it will be preety much a factory sled. Well worth the money. Next year buy a turbo for it.

How could that not be money well spent? I have been on every sled except the articats and the IQR is far superior. Second is the D8 fallowed by the rev and last is the XP. Stock Xp's suck and i have only seen one XP that does well and it is not nearly stock and is owned by a skidoo guru as well.
 
IQR ?

It must be the Polaris factory racer turned mountain sled?

I've never even saw one before, except in the snowmobile magazines.

For that matter, I think any of the factory race sleds would make fine mountain sleds. I owned a Skidoo MXZX a few years ago and it flat out rocked.

Frosty
 
XP - 150 hp (@ sea level) 450 lbs(dry) = 3 lbs per hp
Apex (boosted) 310 hp(at altitude) 700 lbs (ready to ride) = 2.33 lbs per hp
The xp isn't going to compete with a Tapex
Please, unless all you're capable of is pointing and pulling the trigger, those YamaTanks sucka$$
 
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Buy one of winter's IQR.


450 pounds
155 hp
Strongest, best looking, best performing chassis ever made and it will be preety much a factory sled. Well worth the money. Next year buy a turbo for it.

How could that not be money well spent? I have been on every sled except the articats and the IQR is far superior. Second is the D8 fallowed by the rev and last is the XP. Stock Xp's suck and i have only seen one XP that does well and it is not nearly stock and is owned by a skidoo guru as well.
But... did you pull any backflips on the XP? Far easier than the IQ
 
I've ridden 2 of them... one sucked so bad I just stopped and got off, and the other was a rocket but handled like a hippopotamus. Do you have cup holders on your's?
 
No cup holder. Can't ride with one hand. Maybe you just haven't got your full growth yet? Maybe you could handle one of those tanks in a couple more years after you mature a little? But enough about Dukie. Lets get back to the reason for this thread. Frosty was looking for some opinions about what sled to get. from people who actually ride!
 
Maybe when I get old and fat I could handle a heavyset girl. Doesn't mean I'm looking forward to it. I go back to my original assertion. Do you want to ride a sled(XP) or do you want to have your sled ride you(YamaTitanic)? Don't fall for the I couldn't ride myself out of a ditch, point and shoot crowd. Buy a sled(XP) you can actually learn to be a decent rider on.
 
But... did you pull any backflips on the XP? Far easier than the IQ

No. I was going to but i couldn't get the XP out of the dealership. When i was riding it up the ramp onto my trailer i burnt up a belt and my left bar warmer stopped working so i had to leave it there. Dealer said he had about 7 come in this week so he is a bit behind on his work and didn’t have any belts.


IQR ?

It must be the Polaris factory racer turned mountain sled?

I've never even saw one before, except in the snowmobile magazines.

For that matter, I think any of the factory race sleds would make fine mountain sleds. I owned a Skidoo MXZX a few years ago and it flat out rocked.

Frosty

Check these bad boys out.

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I've ridden 2 of them... one sucked so bad I just stopped and got off, and the other was a rocket but handled like a hippopotamus. Do you have cup holders on your's?

Duke, I agree with you on the Apex's totally. They are amazing when you're on the throttle, but when that two ton front end comes back down, you better be built like Arny S. to control it. However, when it comes to the fresh, deep pow, you better have an IQ sled if you don't want to work twice as hard as the Doo riders. Even the XP doesn't compare in the really deep powder. For a sled that is so much lighter, it sure handles a he!! of a lot heavier in the deep
 
Thanks Goingover, why did you sell such a cool sled? What did you replace it with, a 2009 M1000?

The fact the turbos maintain their hp at elevation is huge for mountain riding but the weight spooks me.

Maybe I should be looking harder at the pump gas turbos for the M8, D8 and XP8? I have to wonder how long they'll hold together pushing boost.

I like the idea of superchargers too but, everything I read seems to indicate turbos are superior. That's a Ford vs. Chevy argument I don't want to get into now.

Frosty

I didnt sell the sled just the pipe, witch ran very well for me. I made the decision to put a turbo on it. I also have been running a diamond S hood for better cooling and a lot less weight.
 
Yes, they are sure cool looking. Can you buy an IQR at a dealership? Where would a guy be able to see or ride one? Would it come with a warranty? What engine (s) are usually in these things?

I seem to be all over the map on the sled I'd buy each day now. A couple weeks ago I just knew I wanted a AC 2009 M1000 Sno Pro with a complete SLP setup. It was my computer wall paper.

Now I have migrated to a new love and have a picture from a gentleman selling a brand new blue and white 2009 Skidoo X Spring only 163" 800. Man that's nice looking! I'm not sure how these two would compare and I'm bot sure what mods I'd want to do the Skidoo initially.

What will be on my wall paper next next? A D8 in lingerie :face-icon-small-ton

Frosty
 
Hears the deal. If you got the time, resources, and the money to do it, you can build a completely custom IQR sled to suit your personal needs. This is what i did for mine.

2005 polaris race sled (you can find them on the internet fairly cheep and there are a lot of them around)-$5200
Sold the 600 engine that was in it+$1200
Bought a brand new Bad Oscar customs 800 conversion kit-$2400
misc mods= about another $1500-$2000

All that boils down to around $9,000 that i have in my sled. I still need to get a few parts like longer rails (i already have a 151" track) and i want to have brad build me a tunnel that i can easily switch from 151 to 121.

I kept the stock race suspension because it is just as good as any aftermarket shocks you can buy, bullet proof, and in spring im going to do the short track jump everything you can find thing.

All i need is another $1500 and i can get my tunnel, rails and a few other tiny things and i will have a complete sled for a little less than $11,000 which just happens to be what a new one costs and mine is considered a full mod (not by me, in my opinion its a stock 800)

If i would have spent another $1000 or so on the engine department i could have got a 800 dragon engine but my carbed VES is fine. ;)

Another bonus is that I know my sled and ever single bolt on it so back country repairs are easy. I know some asshat didn’t forget a bolt on Friday leaving my stranded. And I also know that I have one of the lightest, strongest, most FUN sleds on the mountain. A stock sled should own my sled climbing and if it don’t I will be surprised but like I said, I built mine to boondock, jump, and to have fun.

Hear are a few pics of my sled. I will never be done. All i need is my rails, tunnel, and some orange powder coating!

If you value your time and riding experience enough that you go on a forum and ask everyone’s opinions, why not get the best chassis, strongest chassis, best ergonomics, best looks, best performing, one of the lightest sleds out there? YES, its going to take time and its going to be harder than buying a new one but its worth it in the end.

Look for a used one if you can. There is a sweet one on Craig’s list in the Montana section.



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See thats the route im going. I found a 08 chassis that i can pick up after race season for 3500, VE tunnel for 1600, rear skid the one I want is 2600 if it will work. The motor I have yet to hear back on but im figuring on around 3000 for aa 910cc with custom pipes for the IQR. All together it will be around 11000 for a sled that I can be proud of and is built lightweight and dependable.
 
i've seen guys rip on all the sleds, I personally love the M feel. I came off a rev, now on a M8 and i have so much fun riding it i'd gladly suffer w/ the under power. After owning the M i won't buy another sled w/o riding it first(at least 1/2 day). Personal preference, i'm sure xp guys feel the same way. I'm not a hill climber, i like the deep pow boondocking, the M may be heavier but feels so much more nimble. I swaped my buddy w/xp, in deep pow, he dumped it leaning inside a turn right off the bat, i could hardly get his to turn at all, completely different feel. With all that said, my buddys M1000 seems unstopable It flat out rips, and he gets the fun of riding the throw around chassie.
 
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