Who has tried a Jannetty Header?

[Remmy]

If two other companys have tried it and it didnt work why did you waist your money? since you new allready it wasnt going to work?

Don't you think he probably discovered that after the fact.

 

[Climbmax]

Refund and sell it to someone else if it's such a great product........you won't loose a penny.
When is the wager showdown? I want to see it......anywhere in the western states or Canada.
CM

 

[Ken Climb]

Here's a copy of an old TY thread:

ken_climb wrote:
I'm glad the header is working out, cause one similar "didn't" out west here. It sure is starting to sound like there are huge differences between flatland and mountain set-ups. Maybe we should have two sections? Mountain Boost and Flatland/lake boost.

Ted Wrote:
"There are less differences that you think, and all the differences can be expained away with simple physics and math.

I for one would love to hear the reasons why a Log style manifold won't work on flat land, in the mountains or on the moon.


I help a lot of mountain guys every day with different problems they encounter and I have Yet to run into someone I was not able to Help.

Yes I can build mountain sleds also.

Ted.

 

[SLY]

It's pretty obvious the product is not performing very well. I would have never expected a log style header to perform as well as an equal length header in the first place, there is no way it can flow as efficiently. A log header may be stronger but it sounds like there is a very noticable power loss. I would have probably adjusted my A/F ratio just to satisfy my own curiosity but if my customer wasn't happy I would have taken it back and moved on. Why not just give the man his money back and sell it to someone who will be happy with it? The longer this goes on the more it will affect your business..... and that does have a guarantee

 

[addictedtoboost]

I think it is time to get you in to "Hooked on Phonics" there Ted. How many times have I asked you, what are you going to do if I set it up exactly the way you want, and it still sucks. Then what? You are not answering the questions. I have asked you at least 4 times why no Dyno test, and you have not even addressed the question. I'ts our money, that is the bottom line, don't we deserve to know?

NM

Once, that I know of, but what is the point of answering that question when you already refused to try it.

If you set your A/F to 12.5:1 and still had a problem that could be directly related to my manifold, then I would exchange it with the header of your choice.

Before that, I offered to exchange it for a tube header, but there is no pleasing you.

On the Phone when we first talked,

I know I have a fuel problem, my box is maxed out, I have to send it to Alpine to get reprogrammed, What else can I do to increase fuel

I made serveral suggestions including, raising fuel pressure, a second pump with a hobbs switch to turn on at 15 psi boost, and a 1.7:1 rising rate fuel pressure regulator.

You have already cracked 3 headers, doesn't that tell you something?

Now compairing a 3 tube header to my Manifold they are very close with my manifold out flowing the 3 tube design, more air through the motor requires more fuel.

The more fuel you can burn the more power you can make.

When you put the New 4 tube header on and your A/F are 14:1 and it still won't pull your clutching are you going to bash them also?

I am sure Apline will reprogram your box when they send your new Header and all will be fine, your cracking problems will go away and your power will come back +++ some from the header and most from the extra fuel.

Several guys have chimed in with they're results all postive but that is still not good enough for you.

Your 1 out of 15 people who purchased my manifold 14 are very satisfied.
Yes some guys had to rejet, or recalibrate they're fuel box, but isn't it like that with all products?

Your bound and determined to Defame me and my product, do you Work for someone who makes headers, did they pay you to do this, or are you getting product in exchange for this defamation to boost they're sales?

By the Way the manifold does not cost 1300.00 it cost 1095.00 you chose to have it next day air.

 

[NM]

Once, that I know of, but what is the point of answering that question when you already refused to try it.

If you set your A/F to 12.5:1 and still had a problem that could be directly related to my manifold, then I would exchange it with the header of your choice.

Before that, I offered to exchange it for a tube header, but there is no pleasing you.

On the Phone when we first talked,

I made serveral suggestions including, raising fuel pressure, a second pump with a hobbs switch to turn on at 15 psi boost, and a 1.7:1 rising rate fuel pressure regulator.

You have already cracked 3 headers, doesn't that tell you something?

Now compairing a 3 tube header to my Manifold they are very close with my manifold out flowing the 3 tube design, more air through the motor requires more fuel.

The more fuel you can burn the more power you can make.

When you put the New 4 tube header on and your A/F are 14:1 and it still won't pull your clutching are you going to bash them also?

I am sure Apline will reprogram your box when they send your new Header and all will be fine, your cracking problems will go away and your power will come back +++ some from the header and most from the extra fuel.

Several guys have chimed in with they're results all postive but that is still not good enough for you.

Your 1 out of 15 people who purchased my manifold 14 are very satisfied.
Yes some guys had to rejet, or recalibrate they're fuel box, but isn't it like that with all products?

Your bound and determined to Defame me and my product, do you Work for someone who makes headers, did they pay you to do this, or are you getting product in exchange for this defamation to boost they're sales?

By the Way the manifold does not cost 1300.00 it cost 1095.00 you chose to have it next day air.

Never said I paid you 1300.00 I said It cost me 1300.00. I also never said this Manifold would not work at low elevation(probably won't though). So what if the other 14 are satisfied, I'm not. You keep saying I am running at 14:1, I never once said I was, look back at all the posts and e-mails.
How about next time your on the Dyno with an Apex motor, lean it out a bit and see how much power it loses ( Oh ya Ted does not Dyno these motors, forgot).
Are you going to accept my challenge, after all, I am a "3rd place loser" at least that is what you called me yesterday. I really think you can't back up your big mouth. I am handicapping myself, and offering you 5000.00, and you won't come get it. I hope your boyfriends over at TY don't find out your a chicken!!!
Obviously you are never going to answer my Dyno question? Nice testing Chicken!!! LOL

 

[up-high]

I think your already handicapped! "chicken"? How old are you?

 

[Turbo Tim]

Found this crack in mine today . Will be calling Ted monday . A slight horsepower loss would have been ok as a trade off for a header that would hold up and not crack ,but if it's gonna crack too , I might as well have my power back .

 

[muskoka]

IN my best Scooby voice "rrrooo roooo"

 

[HYFLYR]

Ok, now there is a legitimate problem, with proof so i say this needs to be replaced, not fixed and free of charge.

 

[Turbo Tim]

Ok, now there is a legitimate problem, with proof so i say this needs to be replaced, not fixed and free of charge.

Ted's a good guy , I'm sure he'll make it right.

 

[Ken Climb]

Ha Ted! There's your simple physics and "Real world data" for you!
I'm sure you'll say something like hmmmmm" although it is cracked it is still useable " .....you must be running to lean!

 

[RIP N TEAR]

I was fortunate enough to do alot of the really world testing on headers for Alpine. I don't no if this a good thing or a bad thing. The new header that they are producing makes a substaional boost in power, and the longevity is still to be determind. (2000kms) and counting. I personally tried this log style header and noticed a huge decrease in power along with many differnt styles 5 to be exact. I hated to make the phone call and tell them that they had to go back to the drawing boards, almost made them cry every time I told them that there was a problem. But they pervailed and now have a great header with some definate power increase. Now let's hope they have no cracking isues and everyone will be happy, especially Alpine. All of the kits have there problems but everyone that produces them are trying to make those problems far and few between, so us as a coustomer will benifit from it.

 

[Turbo Tim]

I was fortunate enough to do alot of the really world testing on headers for Alpine. I don't no if this a good thing or a bad thing. The new header that they are producing makes a substaional boost in power, and the longevity is still to be determind. (2000kms) and counting. I personally tried this log style header and noticed a huge decrease in power along with many differnt styles 5 to be exact. I hated to make the phone call and tell them that they had to go back to the drawing boards, almost made them cry every time I told them that there was a problem. But they pervailed and now have a great header with some definate power increase. Now let's hope they have no cracking isues and everyone will be happy, especially Alpine. All of the kits have there problems but everyone that produces them are trying to make those problems far and few between, so us as a coustomer will benifit from it.

Gonna order the New Alpine header Monday . *Fingers crossed *

Hey Rip , how did you run your exhaust ? Dump into the tunnel ?

 

[RIP N TEAR]

Tim I still dumped into the tunnel. Mike and Jason have the side exhaust and say that they notice a difference. If you can handle the extra noise then give it a try. We have a few new things we are trying and with some more testing it should be avalable soon. I will keep you guys posted.

 

[NM]

I think your already handicapped! "chicken"? How old are you?

I see we live in the same province my friend!!! If you knew anything about anything, You may not bring the attitude!!! Teds product sucks, and that is plain and simple, it just took a unhappy consumer to expose the truth. I don't suppose you want to accept the same offer I gave to Teddy. Give me a break!! How fast is your sled? LOL

 

[powderlites]

Headers

Well I have been watching all this header bashing and will throw in my two Canadian cents worth.
Headers will all crack! Just depends on cycles and abuse.
The trick is why?
Anealed header after it is built would be great.
Ceramic coated.
The welder has to know what he is doing from seeing the ones that fail.
How engine is setup. Cam timing, lean, boost, fuel?
Size and effecency of turbo.
Exit of exhaust!!
Mounting of everything and clearance.
When I go to the hills and sit back and watch someone like Earl treat his turbo compared to his buddies I can't beleive any header will last. Sorry Guy but I watch things!
We have change material, welding, and how it is jigged up and seen alot of headers go through our shop from other companys.
These motors with too small TURBO will crack header in a couple of rides.
Double Down pipe we made last year seems to have stop headers from cracking. Plus you will need at least 10 grams more clutch weight.
Ported waste gate to go with double down pipe and Apex running over 16 to 18 psi boost has 3000 KMS on it and never been out.
Ever wonder why Powder Lites won't sell a kit without double down pipe this year?
Why guys are always comparing boost instead of effenency.
Sample of only 20 PSI boost with Hurricane's motor will give you about 400 HP
Apex guys trying to squeeze 27 PSI with stock injectors and they will not even get a real 380 HP.
A lot of guys talk about big power but most of them are fastest to the open there checkbook and visit the repair shop.
I understand about headers and riding where I don't want to be on the end of someone's rope!
I admit to a header wall of shame with CPR, Northeast, PowderLites, MC,front mounts, Tison all hanging there as a reminder that there is always a better way.
Don't have Ted's hanging there yet!! But who knows!
WE all copied and played with MC stuff to start with and I have respect for anyone who can build a good header.
A word of advice for you Ted your not the only guy that can build something great and tomorrow someone else can do it better.
That is what will make guys like me set the mark higher every year.

www.powderlites.com

 

[up-high]

Look who's talking about attitude! Lighten up! Why would I want to race you? I could care less how fast your sled is(or mine either for that matter). I know mine puts a grin on my face and makes me giggle like a little girl when I pin it. A very smart man once told me "life is short, use it". I don't have time for measureing contests(sleds or dicks).
And your right. We live in the same province. I'm not hard to find.

 

[NM]

Look who's talking about attitude! Lighten up! Why would I want to race you? I could care less how fast your sled is(or mine either for that matter). I know mine puts a grin on my face and makes me giggle like a little girl when I pin it. A very smart man once told me "life is short, use it". I don't have time for measureing contests(sleds or dicks).
And your right. We live in the same province. I'm not hard to find.

OK dude, I got to tell you, if you could see the e-mails that Ted has sent me over this BS, you might sympathize with me. The bottom line is I spent the money and got screwed. How would you feel? It cost me 1300.00 to get this POS and a wasted weekend to Revy with my kid and my Buddies, that cost more than that. Do I have a reason to call Ted out? I paid for the right, so don't come on here and tell me I am Juvenile for fighting for something I believe in. Got it?

NM

 

[RIP N TEAR]

Well I have been watching all this header bashing and will throw in my two Canadian cents worth.
Headers will all crack! Just depends on cycles and abuse.
The trick is why?
Anealed header after it is built would be great.
Ceramic coated.
The welder has to know what he is doing from seeing the ones that fail.
How engine is setup. Cam timing, lean, boost, fuel?
Size and effecency of turbo.
Exit of exhaust!!
Mounting of everything and clearance.
When I go to the hills and sit back and watch someone like Earl treat his turbo compared to his buddies I can't beleive any header will last. Sorry Guy but I watch things!
We have change material, welding, and how it is jigged up and seen alot of headers go through our shop from other companys.
These motors with too small TURBO will crack header in a couple of rides.
Double Down pipe we made last year seems to have stop headers from cracking. Plus you will need at least 10 grams more clutch weight.
Ported waste gate to go with double down pipe and Apex running over 16 to 18 psi boost has 3000 KMS on it and never been out.
Ever wonder why Powder Lites won't sell a kit without double down pipe this year?
Why guys are always comparing boost instead of effenency.
Sample of only 20 PSI boost with Hurricane's motor will give you about 400 HP
Apex guys trying to squeeze 27 PSI with stock injectors and they will not even get a real 380 HP.
A lot of guys talk about big power but most of them are fastest to the open there checkbook and visit the repair shop.
I understand about headers and riding where I don't want to be on the end of someone's rope!
I admit to a header wall of shame with CPR, Northeast, PowderLites, MC,front mounts, Tison all hanging there as a reminder that there is always a better way.
Don't have Ted's hanging there yet!! But who knows!
WE all copied and played with MC stuff to start with and I have respect for anyone who can build a good header.
A word of advice for you Ted your not the only guy that can build something great and tomorrow someone else can do it better.
That is what will make guys like me set the mark higher every year.

www.powderlites.com

Could not have said it any better Dave. You learn from your mistakes and try and better your product.