it all depends on the area it guess. our dealer here cant get rid of a skidoo if they gave it away. but their selling new dragons like theres no tomorrow
What's the deal with all the Ski-Doos I see on the hill??
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Have both in our group too, with the same results......hmm must not be coincidence
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We have both. Ride them both, properly setup for 3 days of riding (to get used to the chassis) and you won't need anyone to tell you why it would be the wrong choice.
I guess it all comes done to personal choice. I've seen how well XP's perform in the deep, but IMHO, even though they're light, they handle like they weigh 600 pounds +. I constantly here XP riders say "You've got to give it 3, 4, 5, etc, etc days to get used to the chassis". For me it comes down to the question of why waste days of riding just trying to get used to a chassis when the IQ feels so natural right from the start and it'll take me everywhere an XP will go with a lot less effort to get the machine to do what I want it to. Kudos to Doo for the extreme light weight of the XP but that's the only ground-breaking thing they've done.
I rode a dragon 155 and an xp 154 all day side to side. Fit and finish, the poo loses, that windshield seemed like it was going to crack and fall off just by looking at it. vents popping out, although the handling was far nicer, but that is about it..IMO
The XP is a little tougher to get used to, but once you get used to it, it handles fine. We rented the XP and it had 3 hours on it. The clickers were originally set to 1 and the sled produced 7000 rpm. at that setting it was about equal to the poo. set the clickers to hit 8200, it left the poo way behind in the dust. of course it had the belt and clutch issues though... all in all it held up well.
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Don't forget THE GROUND BREAKING THING-RIDER FORWARD! Doo changed everything in 03.5 with the REV. I ride with a 163 Dragon(stock for stock a 163 XP KILLS it) and can't stand that thing. It feels and looks like i'm standing in the bed of a pickup while riding the thing! It looks and feels BIG and old fashioned. Once underway, it's better than the Edge stuff, but not even close to a REV/XP for me. I spent alot of years racing desert motorcycles and that's why i'm on a Doo. I don't consider 3,4, or even 5 days wasted if it takes you that long to get over the "brand loyalty" thing
That being said, i've always wanted a true IQ 440 chassis in mountain trim......those little buggers look awesome!i used to be all arctic cat until they came out with the m- series, i just cant get comfortable on the m chassis so i went to doo which feels better to me. they are all good you just need to find what feels good TO YOU and go from there
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All the replies here actually seem pretty intelligent.I haven't seen one person make a statement without actually stating why they feel the way they do.I believe it has to do with each individuals riding style and how a certain sled "feels" to them.I ride an 05 151 Summit X full mod and I have had plenty of days where nobody on the mountain could climb with me and there have been plenty of days where everybody else was outclimbing me.Is that because the Poo or Cat is better,NO NOT REALLY!I personally prefer a Rev cause it fits me great,lends itself to my riding style and the terrain I ride and I really like the Rotax motor.To each his own as far as what they want to ride.
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trinitypowder, I guess you didn't read the first sentence in my post regarding personal choice. If you like the original Revs and the XP's, really, I'm truly happy for ya. However I personally don't consider the rider-forward design "ground breaking". I don't really care to ride the Revs and I really don't like the XP's handling traits at all. As far as taking a few days to get over brand loyalty, maybe, just maybe you could take a little bit of your own advice and open your mind a little. You say it feels "old-fashioned". I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Yes, it is DIFFERENT than your beloved XP, but be honest, it is also light years beyond the old ZX's, Gen 2's, Edges, etc, etc. I meant no offence with my first post. I'll ride what I like and you ride what you like.....even though I still think you Doo boys ain't right in the head.
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doo out sell poo, cat and yamaha combined! in world sales. i said world sales!!!
WE decided to try a Dragon 800 163. Its a nice bike but its not as easy to ride as the XPs. Hand down the xp rule. We are doing some motor mods on the dragon just to see if I can keep up with my boys on their xp's. Also its a great confidence builder for my two sons because for the first time ever they can out ride me. If they get to cocky I just let them ride the dragon for a while on sharp turns and off the steep. We all want the XP's back. Good job Ski-doo
This is what I don't understand right here.. is durability no longer a consideration when buying?? I am about light weight too, but not at the expense of structual integrity.
http://snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111889
No wonder the price of aluminum has recently skyrocketed... a million bent nuns.. can't they melt them things back down so the cycle can start over??
http://snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111889
No wonder the price of aluminum has recently skyrocketed... a million bent nuns.. can't they melt them things back down so the cycle can start over??
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Four in my group have new this year '08 or '09 XP's. Two coming from RMK's, one from a KK, and one first sled ever. Only one of the four had rode one before buying it. It's all about the weight!
If doo had a structurally sound machine at the current weights, I would say yeah, they are way ahead of the game; but, what good is being light when it means the maching won't hold up?
Maybe I'm just too old and therefore think about these things too much, but if I have to constantly worry about hitting something and knocking out my sled then I won't enjoy it as much.
Maybe I'm just too old and therefore think about these things too much, but if I have to constantly worry about hitting something and knocking out my sled then I won't enjoy it as much.
i'm glad u mentioned old fashion because there is nothing more old fashion than a carburetor.thank god those xp's r EFIDon't forget THE GROUND BREAKING THING-RIDER FORWARD! Doo changed everything in 03.5 with the REV. I ride with a 163 Dragon(stock for stock a 163 XP KILLS it) and can't stand that thing. It feels and looks like i'm standing in the bed of a pickup while riding the thing! It looks and feels BIG and old fashioned. Once underway, it's better than the Edge stuff, but not even close to a REV/XP for me. I spent alot of years racing desert motorcycles and that's why i'm on a Doo. I don't consider 3,4, or even 5 days wasted if it takes you that long to get over the "brand loyalty" thing
I really wish I would have had my camera with me yesterday, so I could have taken a picture of an XP after a 20mph collision with a tree. To everybody's suprise, there was no damage. Sled was chuch full of pine needles, but that was about it.
Don't draw you conclusion on stuff you read on the internet.
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Vertical Edge
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It's all smoke and mirrors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To each his own,Had a M7,Dragon and XP's.Like the Xp's best,my wifes bone stock 08 800 154 Everest is a blast to ride and my 09 800 154 x is killer with the SLP pipe/head combo.Feels feather light,most Xp issues are dealer related/poor setup.
To each his own,Had a M7,Dragon and XP's.Like the Xp's best,my wifes bone stock 08 800 154 Everest is a blast to ride and my 09 800 154 x is killer with the SLP pipe/head combo.Feels feather light,most Xp issues are dealer related/poor setup.
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For sure,love my old fashion crisp running carbs over blubbery EFIi'm glad u mentioned old fashion because there is nothing more old fashion than a carburetor.thank god those xp's r EFI
Funny you mention that. I had my XP upside down for about 5 minutes and it started on the second pull. I was amazed.
Once setup the XP is a awsome stock machine. Light, awsome ride, comfortable, floats like no other sled I have seen in the powder. only thing that sucks is the factory clutching.
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