What oil

[gman086]

you must get special sleds from the factory then... all of the sleds that come to us have gold in them straight from the factory

Nope, NOT Gold - it is the Blue that is not dyed (no blue colorant as I stated) - verified by Carl's and their Polaris Rep.

Have FUN!

G MAN

PS - And believe what you want about ring break-in but less friction (most synthetics) = longer break-in times unless you know a way around the laws of physics. Now the rings DO eventually seat fine with synthetics, just takes longer and I'd rather deal with one major valve cleaning at 500 miles than a weak sled for a few hundred more. To each their own.

 

[Rich07Dragon700]

From the HCS Polaris IQ form
SLP Service & Tuning Notes for the Polaris 800 CFI
http://www.hardcoresledder.com/foru...slp-tuning-service-notes-polaris-800-cfi.html
Hello Everyone,
We at Starting Line Products have put together a Service and Tuning Notes document on the frequently asked questions and customer concerns we have heard on the phones and at shows regarding the Polaris 800 CFI. This contains very important information and can lead to much better performance and engine life. You will notice that much of the information in this document contains information and parts that we don't even sell. We are doing this as a service to you the rider to more fully enjoy your riding experience.
Please click this link to be directed to this document. SLP Service and Tuning Notes for the Polaris 800 CFI
If you have any questions please feel free to contact us at (208)529-0244, email us at slp@slp.cc or visit us on the web at www.startinglineproducts.com
Jeremy Barnes; Starting Line Products

http://www.slp.cc/technical/Service-and-Tuning-Notes.pdf
What oil do you recommend that I run in my sled?
Engines that are high horsepower verses cubic centimeter require higher quality oil to support the additional stress on engine parts. This is especially true on EFI engines that run cleaner with an increase in exhaust temperature since fueling is typically leaner when compared to carbureted models. Lower quality oils will tend to run away from heat as well as not having the film strength to support the horsepower range.

The 800 CFI engine is very sensitive to oil quality. We recommend running Redline Two Stroke Racing Oil (it has both a snowmobile and a motorcycle pictured on the jug). We have found this oil to be far superior to any other oil that we have tested to date. It has great film strength and lubricity properties and we have not seen a single oil related failure over the last three years with 800 CFI engines running this oil. Redline is not something that we sell; we just get asked this question a lot, and want to let you know what works. For more information on Redline Race Oil, visit their website at www.redlineoil.com under the TWO-STROKEOILS tab on the left. This website also contains a dealer locator.

If you choose not to run Redline full synthetic racing oil, we would recommend that you premix 1 ½ ounces of oil per gallon of fuel (approximately 1 pint per tank of fuel) in addition to running your oil injection. This will provide extra oil to the top end and will greatly reduce the risk of having an oil related engine failure.

The 800 CFI engine should use at least one quart of oil per tank of fuel. If your sled is not using this quantity of oil, you need to check your oil injection pump setting and adjust it accordingly.
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About Red Line Two stroke oils
http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=16

Red Line Two Strock Snowmobile oil
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=24&pcid=16

Red Line Two Strock Racing oil
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=19&pcid=16
Have a SAFE, Quick Summer; Rich

 

[cb2honk]

Wow! I thought the 2-stroke snowmobile oil was pricy, that 2-stroke racing oil is even more, $69.99 on their site, HOLY CRAP! That's a $20 difference! What is the difference in the two oils? Which one are you guys running?

 

[lurker]

Wow! I thought the 2-stroke snowmobile oil was pricy, that 2-stroke racing oil is even more, $69.99 on their site, HOLY CRAP! That's a $20 difference! What is the difference in the two oils? Which one are you guys running?

$20 is the difference! lol

 

[lurker]

Started running Legend ZX-2 in wifes assault, too early to tell but have only read positive things about it. Will be running my 860 on it starting next year.

 

[hiwayman]

Cenex Power valve synthetic! Less than 24 bucks a gal. 7000mi. on an ,07 and never had the motor down!

 

[m8sandman]

i've been running mystic for the last few seasons, $20 a gallon full synthetic. have 1200 miles plus on my pro. had over 5k on my M using yami lube 2r premix semi synthetic. been riding 2 strokes all my life and never had a oil related failure. used tons of different brands, same results. paying a big price for your oil might make some feel better but i've found in over 40 years of riding that many of the lower priced oils have worked great for me...

have a couple of buds who run highly modded sleds running valvoline 2 stroke outboard oil, like $17 a gallon, the guy who builds them swears not to run anything else, go figure...

 

[dmkhnr]

Lucas 2 stroke racing semi synthetic for 3 years now. $22 a gallon shipped to my door.
I run it in my turbo pro, and add .5 oz per gallon per a respected turbo builder.
The semi synthetic gives you the slip of a synthetic with the coating of a petrol.

 

[Old Scud-doo]

Ive run amsoil, polaris blue, polaris gold, and polaris red. I like the polaris red, I have heard very good things about the redline, will be running that next year.

Py Polaris red do you mean Polaris Racing Synthetic? That is what I have been running since I had 2009 D8 last year. It's really close to Redline I believe.

 

[deanross]

If you switch brands, do you need to drain the old oil or just mix them together in the resevoir?

 

[Rich07Dragon700]

A post I made on HCS
http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/432-rush-pro-ride-chassis/535717-amsoil-interceptor-8.html
I found an "old" HCS thread on two stroke oil testing that backs up your opinion on Red Line Two Stroke Race oil.
Also a top sled race shop had suggeested we use the "std" Red Line Snowmoble oil because it had better rust protection then Red Line Race oil.
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Oil testing post on HCS 11/06/09, by sledhead800 & alsled:
http://www.hardcoresledder.com/foru...on-oil-should-i-run-my-02-edge-x-800-a-4.html
Is this what your looking for Al?
OIL TEST RESULTS, Surprising Results
Check out theses test results, Some of the big name high end aftermarket oils (Amsoil, Klotz and Torco) didn't fare as well as OEM Ski Doo XPS2 oil
QUOTE(sledhead800 @ Jan 9 2006, 09:11 AM)
Anyone with real results with the following oils please post thanks.
Redline injector, Maxima tundra, Legendzx2r, Torco spo or sso, Artic blue, Motul, Spectro sno syn

I found this info on a Bulletin Board in T.E.S. Racing’s Shop
T.E.S. is owned by Tim Sioui who drag races Ski Doo’s on asphalt and specializes in high performance snowmobiles. I believe the info to be accurate and reliable.
2-Stroke Cycle Snowmobile Oils, Wear Properties of Fluid Lubricants
Falex Pin and Vee Block Method
ASTM D2670 This is a comparison of anti-wear properties of popular 2 stroke snowmobile oils. This is an American Society for Testing Materials test that is a lubricant industry standard. This particular test incorporates 500 lbs of pressure on a steel pin and vee block for duration of 3.5 hours. There is a 5-minute break-in period with a 300 pound load. The overall wear is expressed in milligrams of lost metal.
The Results were as follows
BG Hi-Performance Snowmobile Oil, Part No. 784S 15.2
Bel-Ray MC-1 47.8
Bombardier XP-SII 66.3
Polaris Premium Gold Synthetic 82.5
Artic Cat Synthetic APV 112.9
Redline 2-Stroke Racing Oil 144.3Maxima Castor 927 156.4

***These Products "FAILED" to reach the required testing pressure of 500 pounds.
• Amsoil High Performance 2-Cycle Injector Oil
• Amsoil Series 2000 2-Cycle Racing Oil
• Artic Cat Extreme
• Bombardier InjectionOil
• Fuchs Silcolene Comp 2 Pre Mix
• Klotz Techniplate Snowmobile Oil
• Klotz Techniplate R-50 Racing Oil
• Torco GP-7 Two Stoke Racing Oil
• Yamalube 2-R Racing Oil

This Oil failed 90 minutes into the test.
• Motul 800 Factory Line

!!!!!!! This Oil failed 100 minutes into the test.
Polaris Premium 2-Cycle, what Polaris oil, the old Polaris Blue???
***per my edit 4/15/11, polaris premium oil is the old polaris blue, it used to be a pure mineral oil and is now semi-synthetic, thanks much to Indy 500 for the up-date info!!!
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Reply from alsled on 11/07/09
Thats the test THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now if a oil fails the test and is not even subjected to the heat of the engine being run what do you think will happen???????????????
***Redline race ranks pretty low on the test. Thing is I use it because in real world conditions with high exhaust temps it does not fail, ( like interceptor). I wish they had a test they could run and show the results under high heat conditions. This is very important!!!!!!!!!Maybe some people will believe me know.
****Oil of choice for slp, psi, I believe strutthers, Red Line Race. Most of them have seen the same results of this oil not breaking down under high heat conditions.
So this test is not the total perfect example of how a oil will protect in real world conditions, but like I said before, if it fails without the heat of the engine and exhaust,,, what do you think will happen when things get hot.
Going to polaris oils, I have seen many high milage poo engines, they look great. Someone mentioned because you can get it anyplace, buy a popular oil.
I can't remembeer who started this topic, but theres proof enough for ya. Run poo ves oil and enjoy the ride.
Thanks again sledhead800.
PS start your own topic, oil comparisons so everyone can see this, some people might not be following it, plus I want to print it outwithout all the other posts.
I'm going to write a song I think, name of song, amsoil overadvertised suck oil...................
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A good post from alsled on 11/04/09
Yeah it runs fine and you won't have a big failure do to oil, just compare a engine on interceptor to one of redline after 6000 miles.
put interceptor in a xcr 800 ported and piped spining 8600 rpm and look at the pistons after a short time.
People don't make this up.
SLP is a well liked company, by golly they run redline race in there engines.
I'm just telling you what i see.
I got a 800 ripped apart right now that has about 6k miles on it, interceptor oil, I have never seen so much wear on the pistons and walls with any other oil compared to this one. Not to mention 2 bad center bearings and the others sound like a railroad car going down the tracks.Crap I talk crap, cake I talk cake.
If people are set in the big advertizing scam of amsoil, run the dominater at least.
Battlestorm, what sleds are you running it in? Interceptor or dominator? Drag sleds or trail sleds?
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I checked my Red Line Two Stroke racing one gallon oil jugs, no oil certification stated!!!!!!!!!
Last month I called Red Line, they told me that they do not test for or do oil certification on the Red Line Two Stroke Racing oil. But said it's the best two stroke oil in the world.....
So then could Polaris reject engine warranty when using the Red Line Two Stroke Racing oil as it is not certified to any oil spec. As it does not meet Polaris oil spec certification, warranty could easily be rejected by Polaris???
I think that I will sell??? my 4 gallons of Red Line Two Stroke Race oil that only cost $55 gal, as brother picked up from D. Wahl at an oval race, no shipping $$$

My 2011 800 Rush only used approx 1.5 gal of Red Line & Polaris red Two Stroke Race oil in 1220 miles, so oil cost is not an issue.
What is 3+ weeks of down time due to a blown engine worth???
Use???? Polaris Ves Gold Plus to eliminate any reason for Polaris to reject any future engine warranty on my 2012 600 Pro R Switchback???
Also Polaris Ves Gold Plus is known to be an EXCELLENT top grade oil......

Does any one have current Two Stroke oil testing info ???
Have GREAT, but quick summer; Rich

 

[gman086]

So you're basing what oil is best by that test method that doesn't take temp and viscosity differences into account nor the fact that gas and oil are mixed in 2 strokes and you're telling me you buy into that? For every test that shows brand A to be best I can show you another ASTM test that shows brand B to be better.

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[Rich07Dragon700]

So you're basing what oil is best by that test method that doesn't take temp and viscosity differences into account nor the fact that gas and oil are mixed in 2 strokes and you're telling me you buy into that? For every test that shows brand A to be best I can show you another ASTM test that shows brand B to be better.
Have FUN! G MAN

Do I believe that any lab test will determine what is the best oil, NO!
Many years back a large corporation that I worked for, the best most reliable hyd pump in the field had by far the worst reliability in our R&D lab endurance tests.

But interesting oil lab test data & other info posted by many on SnoWest & HCS folks....

I will base my opinion on what the best two stroke oil is on what the top performance shops such as Wahl Brother's Racing, SLP, and many of the top sled tuners on SnoWest recommend.
Also one of the top mod oval race teams in Wis switched to Red Line Two Stroke Race oil this year. The inside of the 10,000 RPM mod engines had a very heavy oil coating, much better then another top two stroke racing oil he used last year.

My humble opinion is that Red Line Two Stroke Racing oil is the best Racing oil, based on recommendations from SLP & Wahl Brother's & others.
My humble opinion the best stock Polaris trail sled oil is Polaris VES Gold Plus, due to "warranty" oil spec requirements.
Just to satisfy Polaris oil spec's, so as not to void out warranty using a racing oil that has not been certified to meet even one oil industry standard spec.
I prefer to use Red Line Two Stroke Race oil, but have concerns with Polaris warranty, as last year I fought Polaris on a stock ATV engine warranty issue, they covered as I had receipts for Polaris oil & filters proving oil changes for every 500 miles!!!
Will I use Polaris VES Gold Plus or or Red Line Two Stroke Racing oil in my 2012 600 Pro R Switchback next year?????????
I know nothing about oil, just have to pick out the best performance shops oil recommendations.

Oil is a fun interesting topic, lets here from the top pros on the best oil for the new stock high performance Polaris 600cc & 800cc two stroke engines..........
Have a SAFE year; Rich

 

[B00nd0ck3r4lif]

I lost a rod bearing at 400 miles on my Pro. I was running Klotz techniplate.

My dealer suggested I just go with VES gold. I know of dozens of people that have run VES and have zero issues. What I noticed when I bought the VES gold is it was almost like water compared to the very thick oils I am used to running. Then I thought about how the injection uses very little oil. So this made me wonder if the thinner VES gold pumps easier than other oils and the pro runs on so little oil then the difference in flow rates could easily lead to damage due to lack of lubrication.

I could be (and most likely am) way wrong, but either way the sled is under warranty and I'm just gonna dump what Polaris tells me to put in it. After all, they are the ones paying for the motor if it dies!

 

[m8vohkman]

So what are you Redline guys using? Racing oil or the 2 cycle snowmobile? On there web sight they talk about mixing ratios for the racing oil, does this mean you have to mix it or is that for older sleds?

 

[jgd]

Having seen rod bearings scatter with other oils, I wouldn't necessarily blame the klotz. Odds are you would've lost that bearing with any other oil too. How'd the rest of the motor look?

I lost a rod bearing at 400 miles on my Pro. I was running Klotz techniplate.

 

[Rich07Dragon700]

So what are you Redline guys using? Racing oil or the 2 cycle snowmobile? On there web sight they talk about mixing ratios for the racing oil, does this mean you have to mix it or is that for older sleds?

My brother sells the Red Line Snowmobile injection oil to most of his customers for approx $43.00 to $45.00 a gallon, only a few dollars over his cost, if no shipping cost..

He sells the Red Line Two Stroke Race oil to only a few customers, such as me & a few sled racers at his cost of approx $55 to $65 a gallon, if no shipping cost, if he can pick up the oil at an oval race...

I do not know of any mod oval racer that has oil injection on a mod engine.

The mod oval racers that run their highly mod two stroke engines at approx 10,500 RPM usually run a two stroke race oil at a 32:1 fuel oil ratio, no oil injection.
Have a Great week end; Rich

 

[Rich07Dragon700]

I lost a rod bearing at 400 miles on my Pro. I was running Klotz techniplate.
My dealer suggested I just go with VES gold. I know of dozens of people that have run VES and have zero issues. What I noticed when I bought the VES gold is it was almost like water compared to the very thick oils I am used to running. Then I thought about how the injection uses very little oil. So this made me wonder if the thinner VES gold pumps easier than other oils and the pro runs on so little oil then the difference in flow rates could easily lead to damage due to lack of lubrication. (Good point, I never thought of the flow rate!!!)I could be (and most likely am) way wrong, but either way the sled is under warranty and I'm just gonna dump what Polaris tells me to put in it. After all, they are the ones paying for the motor if it dies!

For what ever it's worth, from my post above on the ASTM D2670 test data:
***These Products "FAILED" to reach the required testing pressure of 500 pounds.
• Amsoil High Performance 2-Cycle Injector Oil
• Amsoil Series 2000 2-Cycle Racing Oil
• Artic Cat Extreme
• Bombardier InjectionOil
• Fuchs Silcolene Comp 2 Pre Mix
• Klotz Techniplate Snowmobile Oil
• Klotz Techniplate R-50 Racing Oil
• Torco GP-7 Two Stoke Racing Oil
• Yamalube 2-R Racing Oil

This Oil failed 90 minutes into the test.
• Motul 800 Factory Line

!!!!!!! This Oil failed 100 minutes into the test.
Polaris Premium 2-Cycle, what Polaris oil, the old Polaris Blue???
***per my edit 4/15/11, polaris premium oil is the old polaris blue, it used to be a pure mineral oil and is now semi-synthetic, thanks much to Indy 500 for the up-date info!!!
Have a Safe summer; Rich

 

[B00nd0ck3r4lif]

Having seen rod bearings scatter with other oils, I wouldn't necessarily blame the klotz. Odds are you would've lost that bearing with any other oil too. How'd the rest of the motor look?

There wasn't any signs of lack of lubrication so I don't blame the Klotz. However the power valves had excessive carbon buildup for 400 miles.


I just think that with the Pro running on so little oil it doesn't take much for something to go wrong.

 

[bkpolhd]

All the people we ride with run the racing oil,did not know they made anything else and friend is a dealer sells it to us for cost at about $42.00 a gallon