WHat if we lost all of our vendors on these forums

[friscospices.com]

I have been reading these forums for a few years now and have realized the need for expertise input by people in the business. These people are valuable to all of us. When we, myself included take on these vendors and dont let the vendors themselves stand up for their products we all loose. Back in my Ski doo days on DOOTALK I saw a few good sources of information quit putting in information because some A-hole had to spout off at the mouth and bash his business and his products. So lets just all let the vendors stick up for themselves in these forums. We dont need to add our 2 cents and chase these guys away. I for one appriciate when they talk back and forth between 2 vendors alot can be learned, but if regular forum members start in with the spouting off then the conversation ends. I made comment to another members post calling him out to quit the bashing, but realized in less then a minute it wouldn't help matters so I deleted my post but before I got it deleted he copied my response and posted it before it was removed. The thread was informative and started to get interesting until this member hit the ball out of the park and the thread is now closed. We keep doing this to every vendor soon we will be here alone without men in the profession giving input. So lets all relax, and appriciate these guys who take their time to inform us on issues. Alot of these guys are paid advertizers on here and deserve our respect, if you dont feel this way then just keep it to your self or block them so you dont have to listed to there input.

 

[Super Sled]

I have been reading these forums for a few years now and have realized the need for expertise input by people in the business. These people are valuable to all of us. When we, myself included take on these vendors and dont let the vendors themselves stand up for their products we all loose. Back in my Ski doo days on DOOTALK I saw a few good sources of information quit putting in information because some A-hole had to spout off at the mouth and bash his business and his products. So lets just all let the vendors stick up for themselves in these forums. We dont need to add our 2 cents and chase these guys away. I for one appriciate when they talk back and forth between 2 vendors alot can be learned, but if regular forum members start in with the spouting off then the conversation ends. I made comment to another members post calling him out to quit the bashing, but realized in less then a minute it wouldn't help matters so I deleted my post but before I got it deleted he copied my response and posted it before it was removed. The thread was informative and started to get interesting until this member hit the ball out of the park and the thread is now closed. We keep doing this to every vendor soon we will be here alone without men in the profession giving input. So lets all relax, and appriciate these guys who take their time to inform us on issues. Alot of these guys are paid advertizers on here and deserve our respect, if you dont feel this way then just keep it to your self or block them so you dont have to listed to there input.

Sage information here. On Totallyamaha bashing of vendors is completely not allowed and those who violate the rule get booted. Harsh but effective way to protect your site supporters......

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

Frisco, I agree up to a point...but where do you draw the line? I personally have 30+ yrs building engines....every kind from stock rebuilds to all out pro mod nitrous motors to blower motors...where do you draw the line?..I wont bring up names..but when a vendor(any vendor) is making claims (repeatedly) that arnt substantiated with long term/high amounts of proven testing and /or a damn good warranty how can people not stand up and say something?just as an example..how about PSI and there garbage that screwed how many umpteen conpanies and people out of their hard earned money? Are you saying you condone such companies coming on here and selling their wares without any ability for those with knowledge providing info on their products and experiences....what happens if 1000 peeps on here buy a vendors product and 6 months down the road this product proves to not be the fix/repair that the vendor marketed it to be?I think it is far better for anyone to be able to share their knowledge on any thread..and for the reader/purchaser to be able to judge for himself weather the product fits his needs/requirements based on what relevant info he has gleaned from said post..

 

[EASY]

I agree with both above statments !!!!!!!

If someone feels there has been a shot at there kit, Then let them deal with it!!!!!!! We don't need someones groupies jumping in to protect there buddy.

I am not biased to any kit. I have ordered a RK TEK kit, but easily could have gone with mtn tec or carls. Just because these guys all do it different does not mean it is wrong.

If there are people that continually chime in and cause a problem, or are too childish and cant stop swearing !!!!! Then yes lets boot them out. I am sick of seeing guys try to help out or mention there kit, and there post gets pick apart.

Lets make an environment that the venders want to help us, and not be scared that if they don't word everything just right, they will have to answer hate mail for two days.

 

[mountainhorse]

There is a HUGE difference between bashing and an articulate first hand critique.

Great thread by all the above!


MH






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[beamslayer]

You are the man MH . I personally like the discussions that go on in here .

 

[friscospices.com]

JUST TREAT PEOPLE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED. IF YOU CANT CONTROL YOURSELF THEN START YOUR OWN THREAD BUT DONT BASH OUR PAID ADVERTISERS ON THEIR THREAD.

 

[ditch1000]

I agree with both above statments !!!!!!!

If someone feels there has been a shot at there kit, Then let them deal with it!!!!!!! We don't need someones groupies jumping in to protect there buddy.

I am not biased to any kit. I have ordered a RK TEK kit, but easily could have gone with mtn tec or carls. Just because these guys all do it different does not mean it is wrong.

If there are people that continually chime in and cause a problem, or are too childish and cant stop swearing !!!!! Then yes lets boot them out. I am sick of seeing guys try to help out or mention there kit, and there post gets pick apart.

Lets make an environment that the venders want to help us, and not be scared that if they don't word everything just right, they will have to answer hate mail for two days.

If people hack on the vendors then we all lose if they stop posting their info and subsequently their knowledge; knowledge we get for next to nothing on this site.
I can speak for Kelsey helping me a couple years back helping me get my POS M1000 run with a piece of junk product on there that was NOT even his!!!! He did not have to go out of his way but he did!!! Kudo's to him!!! When I drop my money into my engine, I'll put my trust in his product, not just because I believe in his products but because of his service in the past.
Lets keep the comments and questions to the point and respectful and everybody wins!!!
As they say, there is more than 1 way to skin a Cat!!!

 

[friscospices.com]

There are alot of vendors that have done that. I called Boston racing last year a few times, but bought my kit from justin...Some vendors just are stand up people and some are just salesmen. They choose what kind of relationship they want with us. Most want us to be great customers that love there products.

 

[Boston Racing]

I love you guys....well most of ya

 

[EASY]

There are alot of vendors that have done that. I called Boston racing last year a few times, but bought my kit from justin...Some vendors just are stand up people and some are just salesmen. They choose what kind of relationship they want with us. Most want us to be great customers that love there products.

I have also called boston racing with a few questions, and they were more than helpful, straight up decent guys

 

[Devilmanak]

Paid vendor doesn't mean good vendor.
I got booty screwed last year from one of these vendors whos nuts everyone likes to swing from. "Buy a PC5 from me, I will guarantee a good map." BS. Dude put zero effort into it, refused to send me a revised map after sending one that was COMPLETELY opposite of what I requested, ignored emails and calls. (I spent a silly amount of time riding around and taking notes, RPM, EGT, rich-lean, runability.) The map I got back had NOTHING to do with what I sent, I looked at it and he went the opposite of what input I gave to him. I redidi the mapping myself, got the sled to run. Joker's name was Ragin Cajun or the like.

 

[diamonddave]

Just in case nobody knows, I am the guilty party that upset Frisco. I am actually surprised this blew a gasket.

Lets be clear on one thing, as far as I know, this wasn't a "site sponsor" that spurred on this thread correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It's funny we mention running off vendors. I personally know of a few who will not get on here at all due to a couple of the same vendors and the complete disrespect they have shown towards other vendors.

I am sincerely asking the same question I asked in the thread that was (prematurely IMO) closed. Are vendors allowed to disrespect or bash other vendors or the products they sell? Are they allowed to take shots while saying they are posting facts about a product they haven't used, tested, or sold? And if they are allowed, is a user NOT allowed to call them out for it?

How many times have we seen vendors get into knock down drag out arguments with other vendors on the forums? Is this okay? Is it only allowed for site sponsors to go at it? Of course none of us like this. But why is it usually the same vendors in these altercations?


Today, I stuck up for my vendor when the pot shot was taken. This vendor has probably the highest reliability and performance of a product I have seen on these forums in the last 6-7 years. It was totally unnecessary if the thread was to be "informational".


I know one thing for a fact....If a vendor pimping his products leaves the competition out of his informational thread, then he's going to have a much better reputation, sell more product, and be respected by many for proper business ethics.

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

JUST TREAT PEOPLE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED. IF YOU CANT CONTROL YOURSELF THEN START YOUR OWN THREAD BUT DONT BASH OUR PAID ADVERTISERS ON THEIR THREAD.

Frisco, I hope and believe I treat everyone with respect..now with that said, I voice my opinion when I see things that dont add up..if members dont want me doing that..fine I dont have to ...I do it to help others out...I dont make a penny for doing it, and spend a considerable amount of time answering PM's when members have questions/need help..say the word and I will stop...

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

Just in case nobody knows, I am the guilty party that upset Frisco. I am actually surprised this blew a gasket.

Lets be clear on one thing, as far as I know, this wasn't a "site sponsor" that spurred on this thread correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It's funny we mention running off vendors. I personally know of a few who will not get on here at all due to a couple of the same vendors and the complete disrespect they have shown towards other vendors.

I am sincerely asking the same question I asked in the thread that was (prematurely IMO) closed. Are vendors allowed to disrespect or bash other vendors or the products they sell? Are they allowed to take shots while saying they are posting facts about a product they haven't used, tested, or sold? And if they are allowed, is a user NOT allowed to call them out for it?

How many times have we seen vendors get into knock down drag out arguments with other vendors on the forums? Is this okay? Is it only allowed for site sponsors to go at it? Of course none of us like this. But why is it usually the same vendors in these altercations?


Today, I stuck up for my vendor when the pot shot was taken. This vendor has probably the highest reliability and performance of a product I have seen on these forums in the last 6-7 years. It was totally unnecessary if the thread was to be "informational".


I know one thing for a fact....If a vendor pimping his products leaves the competition out of his informational thread, then he's going to have a much better reputation, sell more product, and be respected by many for proper business ethics.

I Know i was one guy that was reading that tread as i have my 800 pro apart right now looking at replacing the stock piston with an aftermarket piston kit to fix the high clearance problem with this engine.
The shop i deal with recommends the MTN TK fix it kit which uses wiseco pistons , then i read this thead and RK TEK says the Wiseco piston are NO good , will not last 200 mile , now i know that he did not say that the Mtn TK kit ( fix it kit ) was not any good , but in saying that wiseco pistons are no good , i take this as saying the same thing, am i wrong

 

[Bigrock33]

I, for one, am very thankful for all the information and different points of view on these type of threads. I continue to learn and gain knowledge that helps me make decisions, purchases, etc. What I don't like is the lack of respect that some "keyboard warriors" show to someone who has a different point of view or experience. It is OK to disagree, it's OK to agree to disagree, but do so in a mature and respectful way. Believe it or not, there just may be more than one good/correct/right way to accomplish the same thing. Just because it isn't your way, doesn't mean that it's wrong. This forum used to have a lot more positive info, respectful debates, and folks working more in cooperation with each other, not in competition with each other. This is a great place to find out and share great information, let's all make sure that it continues that way. Thanks for the thread Frisco.

 

[MacDawg productions]

as the snow flies......should be the name of this drama episode. sorry guys, valid disscussion. im sitting in my logging truck, its pissing rain out a 6 a.m. and im capitivated by the banter....lets keep all the shots above the belt. nothing wrong with friendly competition, but keep it fair. lots of very useful people on here giving their helpful suggestions/opinions. keep up the good work!!

 

[OutWest]

I Know i was one guy that was reading that tread as i have my 800 pro apart right now looking at replacing the stock piston with an aftermarket piston kit to fix the high clearance problem with this engine.
The shop i deal with recommends the MTN TK fix it kit which uses wiseco pistons , then i read this thead and RK TEK says the Wiseco piston are NO good , will not last 200 mile , now i know that he did not say that the Mtn TK kit ( fix it kit ) was not any good , but in saying that wiseco pistons are no good , i take this as saying the same thing, am i wrong

Just a example.. What do dealers says to their customer? If you go to a ford dealer do you think they will send you to a toyota shop? A seller is a seller, they say and do anything to try to sell their product. No matter what they are selling, their product is number one. I have seen and talked to people that has used this fix kit from pms and they have MILES on their sled. If i am not mistaking there is also polaris dealers that use these MTN kits, but i am not 100% sure of that.. In the other hand, i dont think rk tek is bad, but i haven`t heard so much about his kits yet. If more people buy his stuff, we would know after a season or so. The tread that everyone is talking about is now closed, but one dude didn`t seem to like what rk tek said about that dyno. That dyno may or may not be independent for all i know, but its strange that he never answered that question. Anyway, i wouldn`t be afraid of going with wiseco. They make good and reliable pistons, and they have done that for many many years. Talk to people that is using these different kits or maybe you could find someone that is using both? Anyway, good luck with your choice.

 

[tudizzle]

If your making an awesome product....no matter what is said about it...the awesomeness will shine through.


If there are flaws in your product...people will find them and share...is that wrong?


If a vendor pays to be on this site should their products be free from public scrutiny? This is a 4M not a 1M

 

[skibreeze]

Those that know me will agree that I am not afraid to voice my opinons and there are a bunch of guys here that are passionate about this sport that will do the same.

I will defend a product that I believe delivers a great bang for the buck and I will also be amonst the first to let people know about any issues that I am having. No matter what or whos product, there are always going to be disagreements. That is human nature, we just have to try to be open minded to see all sides of the issue.