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What does Ruffyrider,Milehigh Cmantle and Alan Combs have in common ??

So which political machine that Obama is "in" with are you talking about? Because it wasn't the Daley one.....

Or are you just saying that since he came from Chicago, there had to be a "political elite" that stood behind him pulling the chains....

Geeze Ruffy, even you know that half of Obama's staff work for Daley. Heck, even his brother Bill is on Obama's staff. Do I really have to go look all this up again?

Lookup:
David Axelrod
Bill Daley
Valerie Jarrett
Robert Taylor
Howard Learne
Jim Reynolds
John Rogers
.........

Even scarier, the rest of his staff seem to be from Bill Clinton's old staff.

A vote for Obama, is like another 8 years of Clinton.
 
Geeze Ruffy, even you know that half of Obama's staff work for Daley. Heck, even his brother Bill is on Obama's staff. Do I really have to go look all this up again?

Lookup:
David Axelrod
Bill Daley
Valerie Jarrett
Robert Taylor
Howard Learne
Jim Reynolds
John Rogers
.........

Even scarier, the rest of his staff seem to be from Bill Clinton's old staff.

A vote for Obama, is like another 8 years of Clinton.

You and I already went toe to toe on this Obama issue... with your own link no less. Post it again, so I can quote how it said that Daley didn't even want him in office.... come on, you can do it.... :p

Beat you to the punch
Have you ever heard of Daley? Look at all his connections to the guy. Now, what does he owe Daley?

After reading the article, it doesn't make the connections that you seem to be implying... though it was a good article. In my opinion SOME of the article actually makes Obama sound more appealing, though SOME of the article give me pause about Obama.

From you "Same Story" Link.

The Obama-Daley relationship is complicated. When Obama first entered Chicago politics, Daley had little interest in him. In 2000, when Obama ran against U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush for Congress, the Daley machine backed Rush. In 2004, when he ran successfully for the U.S. Senate, Obama did so again without the backing of the machine.

Still, after the 2004 Senate election, Obama and Daley achieved an uneasy detente. That almost ended in the summer of 2005 when Obama remarked to the Chicago Sun-Times that an investigation of alleged corruption at City Hall had given him "huge pause" about endorsing Daley for re-election.

It seems from this that Daley didn't have much to do with where/how Obama got to the Illinois Senate? Maybe it was Daley that thought, man I am going to have to lighten up to this guy, he might be President some day....

uh oh....
 
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You and I already went toe to toe on this Obama issue... with your own link no less. Post it again, so I can quote how it said that Daley didn't even want him in office.... come on, you can do it.... :p

Beat you to the punch


uh oh....

uhh what does daley not wanting nobama in office have to do with anyting... at least in terms of the "elite" being behind him. regardless if daley wanted him or not the "political elite machine" is behind him. but hey go ahead and pull some of the liberal tactics, ie, "jamming" as you do so well to make it sound contrary.:rolleyes:
 
uhh what does daley not wanting nobama in office have to do with anyting... at least in terms of the "elite" being behind him. regardless if daley wanted him or not the "political elite machine" is behind him. but hey go ahead and pull some of the liberal tactics, ie, "jamming" as you do so well to make it sound contrary.:rolleyes:

Because Daley is the political machine...... that is why they call it the "Daley Political Machine"..... Only machine that has been around Chicago since, well before his pappies time...

Liberal tactics, jamming?.... did you get that from an email? :p
 
Because Daley is the political machine...... that is why they call it the "Daley Political Machine"..... Only machine that has been around Chicago since, well before his pappies time...

Liberal tactics, jamming?.... did you get that from an email? :p

no that actually is a tactic taught in the liberal circles... did i say circles?:eek:
 
Because Daley is the political machine...... that is why they call it the "Daley Political Machine"..... Only machine that has been around Chicago since, well before his pappies time...

Liberal tactics, jamming?.... did you get that from an email? :p

either way they(elitists) are still behind him.
 
either way they(elitists) are still behind him.

So what do they call that then? :p LMAO

Why does this remind me of a Seinfeld episode?

Kramer: It's a writeoff for them.
Jerry: How is it a writeoff?
Kramer: They just write it off.
Jerry: Write it off what?
Kramer: Jerry, all these big companies, they write off everything.
Jerry: You don't even know what a writeoff is.
Kramer: Do you?
Jerry: No. I Don't.
Kramer: But they do. And they're the ones writing it off.
Jerry: ...I wish I could have the last 20 seconds of my life back.
 
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You and I already went toe to toe on this Obama issue... with your own link no less. Post it again, so I can quote how it said that Daley didn't even want him in office.... come on, you can do it.... :p

Beat you to the punch

uh oh....

No little one, I read this thread before I posted. My assertion is still that Daley, or his people, are still the one's holding Obama's IOU's. Daley may have had a fight, but with his brother, and half the Daley staff running the Obama Campaign, he's not above the machine. The machine is bigger than Daley Junior. Daley is the face of the machine, the money behind Daley is pulling Obama's strings. Back in your bottle.
 
No little one, I read this thread before I posted. My assertion is still that Daley, or his people, are still the one's holding Obama's IOU's. Daley may have had a fight, but with his brother, and half the Daley staff running the Obama Campaign, he's not above the machine. The machine is bigger than Daley Junior. Daley is the face of the machine, the money behind Daley is pulling Obama's strings. Back in your bottle.

yup!!! what O'Ruffy tries to do is point out one detail that is true/false and by way of that discredit the whole argument. wade your exactly right.... good insight!
 
Fellers, I'm pretty sure that both sides like that easy "one deal" thing. Now I know I'll get the ya-buts (ayers, wright, etc.) but I'd like for us to consider one thing. Dude is a black man (although we can nitpik race percentages) and I think he has a distinctly different view of things. Mixed race, educated in different parts of the world, access to Harvard education opportunities, law degree, teaching, etc.

Does all this make Mr. Obama better prepared to lead the country, not necessarily. However, it does give him a distinctly different view of the world than me. Do I like his view, no. But the Clintons hung with some of the same people he has talkedto and it didn't seem to matter to the electorate then.

I was next to an middle aged lady talking to a young man before the VP debate and they were chatting about the possibility of a new President. I couldn't help it and said "We're getting a new President either way". The young man kinda looked dumbfounded and said "well, one who hasn't been there before". I said "niether had ever been President."

Basically he felt Barack Obama was qualified because he wants change and McCain wasn't because he was same. I asked him if he had looked at the numerous pieces of legislation that McCain had pushed over his career that would have brought quite a bit of change to the system and he didn't have an answer. I then asked him what need to be changed? He said Bush had destroyed the economy, Obama wants to fix it. I asked why he thought that, and he said "Man, the economy is as bad as its ever been people are losing there homes, that ain't right."

Its a shame that folks are losing their homes, I agree. It also a shame that most people went into this f*&king debacle thinking they were going to get rich by copying what someone who was educated in realestate was doing. Same with stocks, commodities, et al. Just because you can watch flip this house on the H&G channel doesn't make you a Donald Trump. Politically were about to do the same thing. People don't want to educate themselves about the candidates, they want a nice one word answer that makes a good sound bite. Change, McSame, Nazi, socialist, pig. How the heck is it that we are so disgusted with Congress, but the incumbancy rate is so frikken high. Its because we as a people are too lazy to do our homework. On both sides.

People skewer Obama and give McCain a pass. The same for McCain v Obama. I'm sorry, but we should be looking at both candidates with an appraising eye. Pick them both apart, then see whose carcass has more meat on it.

Ruff if you think that Obama is some sort of outsider, you're kidding yourself (an I can't believe you think he is). You don't get to be a presidential candidate without the blessing of the elite. On either side of the isle.
 
don't know why i missed this before....but the Daly machine talk brought it too light.

Why not to vote for Obama.....sorry ruffy......Obama is from Illinois which means he's a FIB:eek: Course ruffy, you are not so bad for an ex-fib.
 
No little one, I read this thread before I posted. My assertion is still that Daley, or his people, are still the one's holding Obama's IOU's. Daley may have had a fight, but with his brother, and half the Daley staff running the Obama Campaign, he's not above the machine. The machine is bigger than Daley Junior. Daley is the face of the machine, the money behind Daley is pulling Obama's strings. Back in your bottle.

That is a very loose connection of dots.... I would ask... Do you think most state politicians would be willing to help out a state senator get to be president? I view not as he owes them something... but that they are hoping for a chance to get an ear of the pres, or some scraps.....

I would be interested to see what campaign workers have worked on what campaigns on both republicans and democrats. I am thinking the list would be interesting, as the political pool is smaller then most people think.
 
don't know why i missed this before....but the Daly machine talk brought it too light.

Why not to vote for Obama.....sorry ruffy......Obama is from Illinois which means he's a FIB:eek: Course ruffy, you are not so bad for an ex-fib.

Sadly... that is a more valid reason then I have heard from a lot of people...:rolleyes:
 
That is a very loose connection of dots.... I would ask... Do you think most state politicians would be willing to help out a state senator get to be president? I view not as he owes them something... but that they are hoping for a chance to get an ear of the pres, or some scraps.....

I would be interested to see what campaign workers have worked on what campaigns on both republicans and democrats. I am thinking the list would be interesting, as the political pool is smaller then most people think.

hmm, Hoping to get the ear or scraps...kinda I scratch your back you get mine type of deal...almost like owing someone or paying them back. Or returning their kindness and help in a time of "need" when you are in a better spot to lend "help"

Or am I just crazy and looking for stuff to stir with?
 
Fellers, I'm pretty sure that both sides like that easy "one deal" thing. Now I know I'll get the ya-buts (ayers, wright, etc.) but I'd like for us to consider one thing. Dude is a black man (although we can nitpik race percentages) and I think he has a distinctly different view of things. Mixed race, educated in different parts of the world, access to Harvard education opportunities, law degree, teaching, etc.

Does all this make Mr. Obama better prepared to lead the country, not necessarily. However, it does give him a distinctly different view of the world than me. Do I like his view, no. But the Clintons hung with some of the same people he has talkedto and it didn't seem to matter to the electorate then.

I was next to an middle aged lady talking to a young man before the VP debate and they were chatting about the possibility of a new President. I couldn't help it and said "We're getting a new President either way". The young man kinda looked dumbfounded and said "well, one who hasn't been there before". I said "niether had ever been President."

Basically he felt Barack Obama was qualified because he wants change and McCain wasn't because he was same. I asked him if he had looked at the numerous pieces of legislation that McCain had pushed over his career that would have brought quite a bit of change to the system and he didn't have an answer. I then asked him what need to be changed? He said Bush had destroyed the economy, Obama wants to fix it. I asked why he thought that, and he said "Man, the economy is as bad as its ever been people are losing there homes, that ain't right."

Its a shame that folks are losing their homes, I agree. It also a shame that most people went into this f*&king debacle thinking they were going to get rich by copying what someone who was educated in realestate was doing. Same with stocks, commodities, et al. Just because you can watch flip this house on the H&G channel doesn't make you a Donald Trump. Politically were about to do the same thing. People don't want to educate themselves about the candidates, they want a nice one word answer that makes a good sound bite. Change, McSame, Nazi, socialist, pig. How the heck is it that we are so disgusted with Congress, but the incumbancy rate is so frikken high. Its because we as a people are too lazy to do our homework. On both sides.

People skewer Obama and give McCain a pass. The same for McCain v Obama. I'm sorry, but we should be looking at both candidates with an appraising eye. Pick them both apart, then see whose carcass has more meat on it.

Ruff if you think that Obama is some sort of outsider, you're kidding yourself (an I can't believe you think he is). You don't get to be a presidential candidate without the blessing of the elite. On either side of the isle.


Nice post right here, way to go Moose!

Until we shed the party lines and really research both candidates without media bias we will never get anywhere! take the time to read Obamas own book, then come back and tell me how he will be good for this country? I am chosing Mccain NOT because I like him, but because I do not trust Obamma!
 
Ruff if you think that Obama is some sort of outsider, you're kidding yourself (an I can't believe you think he is). You don't get to be a presidential candidate without the blessing of the elite. On either side of the isle.

Outsider? How is a person an outsider when you have to change the system from within? I never understood that one...

You either need the blessing of the elite, or the blessing of a crap load of people! The people are easier to get IMO, as your strings are your own. I love all this talk about elite that and elite this, and many statements seem to be blanket statements, which would then be equally directed at McCain too, right?;)

What I do like about Obama is that he has been in many different positions in life, seen the world from many different perspectives/sides..........
 
hmm, Hoping to get the ear or scraps...kinda I scratch your back you get mine type of deal...almost like owing someone or paying them back. Or returning their kindness and help in a time of "need" when you are in a better spot to lend "help"

Or am I just crazy and looking for stuff to stir with?

Close, but what came first I would say, is a very important difference from an expectation standpoint.
 
Close, but what came first I would say, is a very important difference from an expectation standpoint.

so you're saying that those local guys who lend help to get whoever into higher office, are just hoping for scraps and not expecting anything at all? Me I don't think my fellow man works that way....I know I generally don't.
 
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