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All of your statements are based on your beliefs was said... yes they are... and all of your statements are based on what you believe... but I, and the other Christians defending our God, have something to back us up, the Bible. The Bible is in-errant, without error.

The US is instilling in everybody in this country a new religion of their own, a religion based on whatever you believe to be true is true... post-modern thinking, and it's the new religion of the day.

Look at this website... www.carm.org it answers alot of the questions people not believing what the Bible has to say. Answers all your questions on different religions, why the little girl gets cancer, why do people suffer... good stuff.

As far as the other religions that people think will get them to heaven, here is a simple way to know if it's right or wrong. If the "religion" requires you to ATTAIN everlasting life, or do good things to get it, it's not correct. Eternal life is given, not earned...

Christians do good things because of who God is and what He has done for us... we want to Serve Him because our heart is new, not because it gets us brownie points for a bigger mansion in heaven. Good works come after we repent and put our trust in Jesus, because we WANT to do them, not because we have to... and if you don't want to do them after you've been saved... then it was a false conversion.

Proceed.
 
From Carm.org

Why believe in Christianity over all other religions?

Critics often ask why Christianity is any better than any other religion in the world. After all, of all the religions that exist how can it be that only Christianity is true? If God exists, why can't God use different religions? Don't all paths lead to God? Skeptics ask these kinds of questions all the time and, unfortunately, few Christians have the the answers. Therefore, in an attempt to demonstrate why Christianity is true and all other religious systems are false, I've prepared the follow list of reasons for Christianity's superiority.

"Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options."
There are such things as absolute truths
If truth is relative, then the statement that truth is relative is an absolute truth and would be self defeating statement by proving that truth is not relative. But, if truth is absolute, then the statement "truth is absolute" is true and not self defeating. It is true that truth exists. It is true that truth will not contradict itself as we have just seen. In fact, it is absolutely true that you are reading this paper.

If we can see that there is such a thing as truth in the world, then we could also see that there can be spiritual truth as well. It is not absurd to believe in spiritual absolutes anymore than physical or logical absolutes. Even the statement that all religions lead to God is a statement held to be a spiritual absolute by many people. This simply demonstrates that people do believe in spiritual truth. Why? Because truth exists. However, not all that is believed to be true actually is true. Furthermore, all belief systems cannot be true since they often contradict each other in profound ways -- and truth is not self-contradictory.

Religions contradict each other; therefore, they cannot all be true.

Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in existence and that you can become a god. Christianity teaches that there is only one God and you cannot become a god. Islam teaches that Jesus is not God in flesh where Christianity does. Jesus cannot be both God and not God at the same time. Some religions teach that we reincarnate while others do not. Some teach there is a hell and others do not. They cannot all be true. If they cannot all be true, it cannot be true that all religions lead to God. Furthermore, it means that some religions are, at the very least, false in their claims to reveal the true God (or gods). Remember, truth does not contradict itself. If God exists, He will not institute mutually exclusive and contradictory belief systems in an attempt to get people to believe in Him. God is not the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33). Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that there can be an absolute spiritual truth and that not all systems can be true regardless of whether or not they claim to be true. There must be more than a mere claim.

Fulfilled Prophecy concerning Jesus
Though there are other religions that have prophecies in them, none are 100% accurate as is the Bible and none of them point to someone like Jesus who made incredible claims and performed incredible deeds. The Old Testament was written hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Yet, the Old Testament prophesied many things about Jesus. This is undoubtedly evidence of divine influence upon the Bible.

Please consider some of the many prophecies of Jesus in the following chart.





Prophecy Old Testament Prophecy New Testament Fulfillment
Born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matt. 1:18,25
Born at Bethlehem Micah 5:2 Matt. 2:1
He would be preceded by a Messenger Isaiah 40:3 Matt. 3:1-2
Rejected by His own people Isaiah 53:3 John 7:5; 7:48
Betrayed by a close friend Isaiah 41:9 John 13:26-30
His side pierced Zech. 12:10 John 19:34
Crucifixion Psalm 22:1,
Psalm 22:11-18 Luke 23:33;
John 19:23-24
Resurrection of Christ Psalm 16:10 Acts 13:34-37



Fulfillment of prophecy can have different explanations. Some state that the NT was written and altered to make it look like Jesus fulfilled OT prophecy (but there is no evidence of that). Others state that the prophecies are so vague that they don't count (but many of the prophecies are not vague at all). Of course, it is possible that God inspired the writers and Jesus, who is God in flesh, fulfilled these prophecies as a further demonstration of the validity of Christianity.

The Claims and Deeds of Christ
Christianity claims to be authored by God. Of course, merely making such a claim does not make it true. Anyone can make claims. but, backing up those claims is entirely different. Jesus used the Divine Name for Himself (John 8:58), the same Divine Name used by God when Moses asked God what His name was in (Exodus 3:14). Jesus said that He could do whatever He saw God the Father do (John 5:19), and He claimed to be one with the God the Father (John 10:30; 10:38). Likewise, the disciples also called Him God (John 1:1,14; John 10:27; Col. 2:9). By default, if Jesus is God in flesh, then whatever He said and did would be true. Since Jesus said that He alone was the way, the truth, and the life and that no one can find God without Him (John 14:6), His words become incredibly important.

Again, making a claim is one thing. Backing it up is another. Did Jesus also back up His fantastic words with miraculous deeds? Yes, He did.

Jesus changed water into wine (John 2:6-10).
Jesus cast out demons (Matt. 8:28-32; 15:22-28).
Jesus healed lepers (Matt. 8:3; Luke 17:14).
Jesus healed diseases (Matt. 4:23,24; Luke 6:17-19)
Jesus healed the paralytic (Mark 2:3-12).
Jesus raised the dead (Matt. 9:25; John 11:43-44).
Jesus restored sight to the blind (Matt. 9:27-30; John 9:1-7).
Jesus restored cured deafness (Mark 7:32-35).
Jesus fed the multitude (Matt. 14:15-21; Matt. 15:32-38).
Jesus walked on water (Matt. 8:26-27).
Jesus calmed a storm with a command (Matt. 8:22-27; Mark 4:39).
Jesus rose from the dead (Luke 24:39; John 20:27).
Jesus appeared to disciples after resurrection (John 20:19).
The eyewitnesses recorded the miracles of Jesus and the gospels have been reliably transmitted to us. Therefore, we can believe what Jesus said about Himself for two reasons: One, because what He said and did, agrees with the Old Testament and two, because Jesus performed many convincing miracles in front of people who testified and wrote about what they saw Him do.

Christ's resurrection

Within Christianity, the resurrection is vitally important. Without the resurrection our faith is useless (1 Cor. 15:14). It was Jesus' resurrection that changed the lives of the disciples. After Jesus was crucified, the disciples ran and hid. But when they saw the risen Lord, they knew that all that Jesus had said and done proved that He was indeed God in flesh, the Savior.

No other religious leader has died in full view of trained executioners, had a guarded tomb, and then risen three days later to appear to many many people. This resurrection is proof of who Jesus is and that He did accomplish what He set out to do: provide the only means of redemption for mankind.

Buddha did not rise from the dead. Muhammad did not rise from the dead. Confucius did not rise from the dead. Krishna did not rise from the dead, etc. Only Jesus has physically risen from the dead, walked on water, claimed to be God, and raised others from the dead. He has conquered death. Why trust anyone else? Why trust anyone who can be held by physical death when we have a Messiah who is greater than death itself?

Conclusion
Why should anyone trust in Christianity over Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, or anything else? It is because there are absolute truths, because only in Christianity is there accurate fulfilled prophecies of a coming Messiah. Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels) so we can trust what was originally written. Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the way the truth and the life (John 14:6). All this adds to the legitimacy and credibility of Christianity above all other religions -- all based on the person of Jesus. If follows that if it is all true about what Jesus said and did, then all other religions are false because Jesus said that He alone was the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6). It could not be that Jesus is the only way and truth and other religions also be the truth.

Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options. I choose to follow the risen Lord Jesus.
 
Christians do good things because of who God is and what He has done for us... we want to Serve Him because our heart is new, not because it gets us brownie points for a bigger mansion in heaven. Good works come after we repent and put our trust in Jesus, because we WANT to do them, not because we have to... and if you don't want to do them after you've been saved... then it was a false conversion.

Proceed.

You just contradicted yourself.. From what you are saying good works have to be performed or else it is a false conversion.. But a religion teaching to do good works for salvation is false..
 
No, good works don't HAVE to be performed, they ARE performed... you WANT to do right things because God has changed your heart, there is no HAVE TO involved. If you don't WANT to do the things God commands, then where is the change? If there is no change, there is no conversion. Therefore, no contradiction.

You are doing what satan did in the Garden, change a couple words to mislead people, (eat of the fruit and you shall NOT surely die)... so here it is... after your TRUE conversion, your repentance of sins and placing your trust in Jesus, you WANT to do good, you hate evil.... you don't HAVE TO do anything...

God's GIFT of salvation is free, not earned... "that any one should boast..." We don't earn it, that would be of our own doing, not God's.
 
24footjet: the bible has no errors in it? and you know this because you were there when it was written right? "christians do all these wonderful things for the good of the earth blah blah blah....". Unreal. Those christian forums and websites make me sick. And you didnt prove to me why christianity is better than others, you just rambled on about nothing and wasted my life. Typical.
 
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Then good works ARE a part of the equation right?

I think YOU are the one being like satan by misleading and misrepresenting faith.. Im not saying my good works alone get me into heaven.. But they show that I have faith in the Lord.. Faith is what brings us to Christ and Christ is what brings us to salvation..

There is a big difference from doing good works because we want to and have to.. That shows the intent of our heart.. if our hearts are pure then shall his grace be sufficient for us..

Therefore good works are very important in our lives.. It is a part of the process of accepting Christ..
 
after your TRUE conversion, your repentance of sins and placing your trust in Jesus, you WANT to do good, you hate evil.... you don't HAVE TO do anything...
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You HAVE TO want to do good.. ANd arent repenting and placing trust in the lord some of The good deeds we are speaking of?
 
Correct, the bible has no errors in it... show me just one... please.... show me one... and you know this because you were there when it was written? Faulty argument.

We don't do things for the good of the earth, true Christians do things and act how we do because God's law tells us what is good and acceptable..., our conscience is a gift from God telling us what we SHOULD do. Do we always do it? No, it's a constant fight between good and bad. The Bible tells us to "put on the armor of God,... and die daily to our sin." Christians still sin, we just know when we do and try to correct it. Sin is not conquered until God once and for all destroys it at his second coming. Until then, we fight with God's leading every day... proof being this very discussion we are now having.

Just because those "Christian websites" make you sick, doesn't mean they aren't right. That is sin rearing it's head in your life, satan telling you that it doesn't matter. The Bible tells us that true believers will be hated for what they believe. That's ok, you don't have to believe me, I've done my part in telling you about Jesus and the gospel, the rest is up to God and you.

I have a close personal friend who is a lobbyist and non-Christian, and he is ethical, and he too is in DC all the time... maybe you know him. Your work can be done ethically... It's a crappy way to live thinking that you screwed that guy and need to look over your shoulder all the time for somebody doing the same thing to you.
 
Braap, I can say this with almost 100% surety, you are Mormon... you feel good works are needed along with salvation to inherit eternal life... here is what the Bible says..

Ephesians 2:8 " For by grace you have been saved THROUGH faith, and that not or yourselves, it is the GIFT of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast. 9. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Salvation has nothing to do with good works... it is God's free gift, we don't earn it.
Again, good works are the result of a changed heart, we now want to live in a right relationship with God. Good works come in AFTER you are saved, you WANT to do them.

Christians have been saved by Grace. The Grace of God is the source of salvation, faith is the channel, not the cause. God alone saves. Salvation never originates in the heart of people, it always arises out of the lovingkindess of God. You said this and I agree...

2 Timothy 1:9 "... who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began."

Romans 4:16 "Therefore it is of faith (the channel) that it might be according to Grace (the source of salvation). This is a promise from God to Abraham that salvation was ONLY through Grace. This promise was not based on any law or performance of any ritual, but Grace.

John 1:12,13 "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13. who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh(by personal effort), nor of the will of man, but of God.

Forgot to put this in. No, repenting and placing our trust in Jesus is not a good deed, it's Salvation. After this, then we WANT to do good.
 
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cmantle, I see you added more to your post...sorry about wasting your life... I'm not convincing you why Christianity is better than any other "religion" just that its the true one... you don't like truth, that's ok, actually it's not, but that's what you are going to do...

If Christians are wasting all your time and your life, why do you keep coming on here and arguing? Ever think God is trying to get your attention?

On a side note, you are a self-proclaimed BS spreader in DC telling us openly how you stab people in the back... and you want me and others to listen to your "TRUTH"? Typical.
 
I think H2snow started a thread that may just beat the max out thread. Mtm7 and 24footjet keep it up you are saying what I feel but can't put into words. I am also learning some along the way.
 
Let us go back to Mike's original post. The big 10 are provided to all people, believer or not. I submit that

The Jew abides by these same commandments. Yet, 24footjet posted


I've prepared the follow list of reasons for Christianity's superiority

I'm sure Mohammad had his own list too. Sorry you feel that way my man, but your beliefs are not better than mine, different yes, but not better. I may not be a pious man but I accept the challenge to find the truth, wherever it might lead. If it is God then thats where I'll be.
 
cmantle, I see you added more to your post...sorry about wasting your life... I'm not convincing you why Christianity is better than any other "religion" just that its the true one... you don't like truth, that's ok, actually it's not, but that's what you are going to do...

If Christians are wasting all your time and your life, why do you keep coming on here and arguing? Ever think God is trying to get your attention?

On a side note, you are a self-proclaimed BS spreader in DC telling us openly how you stab people in the back... and you want me and others to listen to your "TRUTH"? Typical.

When did i try to convince people that what i believe was the truth? Did i post paragraphs on why BSing is the "truth"? Not quite. there a possibility that christianity is the truth, but im not going to believe that cause it was written in some fairy tale. I keep coming on here and arguing because its not snowing and im bored, just like everyone else. And god is trying to get my attention huh? Well he can keep trying but until i meet him face to face and have a beer with him i wont believe in any of it. ;)
 
Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in existence and that you can become a god.

This is true. But to clarify a little, we believe that there is one God for us here on earth, our literal Heavenly Father, who gave birth to us before we came to earth. And we Believe Christ to be our savior, and that He died for our sins. And we do teach that you can become a God like unto Heavenly Father. I find that doctrine hopefull.

I like to see everyones opinions, and i understand that posts like these can get pretty heated. But we are all free to worship as we please. And whether your Christian or not I think we all can believe that Christ, God, or whomever you worship, wouldn't want so much contention spread about. ;)
 
I am mormon and you probably guessed that from where i lived right?

My whole point is that evangelicals and mormons butt heads on this issue constantly.. And in my view we truly do believe the same thing we just say it different.. Contrary to what many think about the mormon church and outsiders tend to be experts on us for some reason. We dont believe that only our works alone save us.. We know that we could do all the good deeds in the world and without christ we are still short of the glory of god.. My point is in your original post. You said there is one way to find out a true church and that is if they teach you to do good works they are wrong.. And that is wrong.. Like i said earlier and you said it in your next post that good works come in somewhere.. Its part of the equation.. DO i think its the solution? No.. Christ is the solution. But how can he save us if we don't follow him..

Faith without works is dead.. So our works validate our faith.. they dont alone save us..

I think its interesting that we are disincluded from being christians from whatever website you shared..
Name of the church-- THe Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints
Kind of hard to miss but whatever
 
Probably is, but do i care? not one bit....;) I hope you dont think your the first personal to tell me that, and you definently wont be the last. Will it ever have an effect on me? nope. Will it come back to me? good chance of that, and ill be expecting it.

So when i come to your house and take your truck and sleds because i need some more toys and its helping me get ahead in life, you should have no problems with that right?

I will let you do the work and take the benefits... and you shouldnt complain right? cause i was only trying to get ahead and nobody has time to listen to you about it and you can always take from the next guy...
 
I'm not convincing you why Christianity is better than any other "religion" just that its the true one...

I don't get it, what is the difference between the true one and better. Why does your beliefs need to compete with mine/others? Why does there have to be a better?

This is built into many religions and quickly builds confrontation. Why do religions that should be spreading love and happiness need there beliefs to be spread too? Can't love for others be enough? Can't spreading happiness to others be enough?

Obviously it is not. This brings me to another point against religion. Built into most popular religions is the idea of a growth model, spread the word, get more believers....... Why is growth important to a religion? Why does it require that more believers be added (converted)? Shouldn't religious people be happy with there own beliefs and content with the different beliefs of others.
 
So when i come to your house and take your truck and sleds because i need some more toys and its helping me get ahead in life, you should have no problems with that right?

I will let you do the work and take the benefits... and you shouldnt complain right? cause i was only trying to get ahead and nobody has time to listen to you about it and you can always take from the next guy...


I think you are taking his point to the extreme, and he was already stating extreme to begin with.

cmantle1,

I think we need some more info about your beliefs, cause you gave us your jaded view of your work environment and it is being extrapolated into your total world view. Do you have the same viewpoint in all your dealings in life? Just trying to see if your the guy that takes money from the tip jar or if you always net positive from the take a penny leave a penny?:p
 
I think you are taking his point to the extreme, and he was already stating extreme to begin with.

cmantle1,

I think we need some more info about your beliefs, cause you gave us your jaded view of your work environment and it is being extrapolated into your total world view. Do you have the same viewpoint in all your dealings in life? Just trying to see if your the guy that takes money from the tip jar or if you always net positive from the take a penny leave a penny?:p

To Phatty, you are taking my view to a very extreme level. I do that in my work setting, not everyday life. Would i steal some ones truck? of coarse not. And that stuff is so common in my workplace that is doesnt stick out like you think it would. I dont wake up everyday and think "i cant wait to **** someone over today!" My original post was to say that ive done it, and it happens. You make it sound like my soul purpose of my job is to screw people. have you worked in the Senate? Didnt think so, so would you know what its like? doubtful. People do it, and people get over it, just as i have. Its not like me ripping off somones review of a paper is instantly gonna get me a 5k raise and make me the senators right hand man. Its all going to add up and eventually get me a higher position. So your probably wondering if it only helps a little why screw someone so much for it? Well i really doesnt that much. Yes it going to piss someone off, but its not the end of the world. Do you think that i started the whole idea of it? My first month on the job i got ripped a new one, plenty of my work has been ripped off to man...Yes it pissed me off but i didnt go ***** to my boss, instead i got even....

To Ruffryder, my views are that i do what i think i need to to get ahead in my work. mabye that sounds harsh but really its not that bad. Alot of the time its little things that piss people off to help you out, nothing anyone would really make a big deal over, they just get back at some point. That mindset applies only to my job, and this one specifically. As you said, people have turned this into my entire outlook on life. If i worked in a different setting then i probably wouldnt have that mindset, actually i know i wouldnt. I just dont want to get left behind in this job. In everyday life, i am the guy who gives a penny takes a penny. Ive towed numerous sleds out of the woods for people i have never met before, this caused damage to my sled and cost me alot of time. Did i get pissed or anything like that? of coarse not, thats how it goes and i would hope the do the same for me. (people i work with do not snowmobile;)). I leave a very generous tip when there is a ****ty service. Im not trying to justify anything by those examples, so dont dog me for that. Im trying to make the point that im like most of you when it comes to everyday life, i just put my game face on the second that plane lands in washington. You werent asking my opinions on religion were you? i think you and i share many views in that department....
 
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