This incredible machine does it again!
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Farce ... look into the complexities of a CVT clutch system ... it's all about multiple gear ratios and can be tuned according to the machine and conditions. It's not a single gear ratio ... quite the opposite. There's also chaincase gearing for even more tuning options. Not a bash, just a correction of mis-information.
To the OP ... being a rider on the street, dirt and snow, I'd like the opportunity to try one out if you're ever in the neighborhood. I won't knock it until I try it
My statement still stands from what I understand. A CVT clutch is all based on the RPM of the engine and power requirements of the sled. In order for the CVT clutch to "shift" into a "high gear" the engine has to be operating at a high RPM and at a load low enough level that allows it to "shift". With my bike I can manually pick the gear ratio. If I want to put around with lots of torque, I run first or second gear. If I want to just cruise down the trail at 60 mph I can pop it into 5th. If I want lots of power and performance at 60 mph I can pop it into 4th or 3rd gear. I can pick the gear ratio I want where as a snowmobile is dependent on the engine speed. Sure you can tune your clutch, but you have to take it apart to do so. I can change a sprocket for further adjustability in less than 5 min. I would compare the two systems to a manual transmission and an automatic, except in this case the automatic has to be in the upper level of the RPM range before it can shift. I can shift just off idle if I want. I like the flexibility a manual transmission offers.
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Yea I get what you're saying ... I've only been riding m/c's for close to 30 years, but what do I know ... LOL. Bottom line is I think your statement was still inaccurate ... torque and HP are still products of the engine that transfer to the ground via gearing ... that part is accurate. Blipping the throttle, just above engagement RPM through the tight trees on a sled is no different than blipping the throttle on a dirt bike in 2nd gear. Different transfer of power is all. A CVT clutch is just a multi-ratio transmission that is rpm sensitive ... more gas equals higher track speed, lift off the throttle and it's a "down-shift" ... semantic argument really and has gone way off track regarding the initial thread subject. I hope you enjoy your new ride, regardless.
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Daniel Boondocker
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I put a deposit on a 2Moto Radix to have for a backup instead of another sled, and for a fun new experience. Been wanting to get one for a couple of years. Another friend did the same. I'm sure I'll take the Turbo sled out most of the time. But there will be times I can take the bike out to goof off or for us to try out when I have to hang back anyway to increase the fun factor when your with some that need to take it a little easier, or in certain conditions. Already sold my bike so I just have to decide what I'm getting next. It will be one that Boondockers can turbo. They already have a kit for the new Suzuki. This will have a place for me as an in between, at least for a while. Maybe longer. Only one way to find out for sure for myself. I've talked and listened to many of you and their are opinions from one end of the scale to the other. More good though. So I'm in.
Now... if we could only get some snow so those of us that have the kit can give some real feedback.
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RMK7SledHead
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you understand wrong...plain and simple. Good luck with that bike though.
OK, so show me where I can find a snowmobile with a manual transmission.
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Dobber1
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That looks pretty cool, not exactly a modern production snowmobile, but looks interesting none the less. What exactly is it anyway?
600 explorer kits sold since the sept release and counting!!!
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Very cool and intruiging. But my 82 XR500R aint worth even 1/3 the cost of it LOL. Would be nice to show my ATV buddies up in the mud tho
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Gimpster
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They are a nice kit. look like a blast.
The price scared me away from further checking into them
I have been pricing track kits for quads as being a retail outlet and thought the single track price was a little steep compared to $3500 for 1 set (4 track kits) on a quad.
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The price scared me away from further checking into them
I have been pricing track kits for quads as being a retail outlet and thought the single track price was a little steep compared to $3500 for 1 set (4 track kits) on a quad.
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funny you say that,,, i had a dealer ask just that 4 days ago,,,,and here is what i said,,,,
you pay for what you get,,,, and no way shape or form does a track kit for a quad compare, this is a kit that takes a dirtbike in ANY snow condition and does amazing things. yes you get 4 tracks for the quad, but there are more things that come into play with the kit,,, ie. the ski, and adaptor kit for the ski... it takes parts to attach the disk brake, also the weight issue, this has to be a well built LIGHT kit. whenever anyone has seen this complete kit in person, i never had one person say that it is overpriced.
you pay for what you get,,,, and no way shape or form does a track kit for a quad compare, this is a kit that takes a dirtbike in ANY snow condition and does amazing things. yes you get 4 tracks for the quad, but there are more things that come into play with the kit,,, ie. the ski, and adaptor kit for the ski... it takes parts to attach the disk brake, also the weight issue, this has to be a well built LIGHT kit. whenever anyone has seen this complete kit in person, i never had one person say that it is overpriced.
So let me know if I have this right....a track kit for a quad isn't designed to go though any snow condition, and isn't designed to be rugged and light weight? Come on, Mike, use your head.
there is no way you could take a quad with a track kit up in the mountians with 5 ft of pow. lol @ use my head!!!
Mike,
I'm still laughing. Have you ever seen what one of those track kits can do on ATV's? Maybe these will help enlighten you....
Video 1
Key phrase in Video 2: "The newest styles now will go through as you can see FIVE FEET of powder."
Video 2
There is a lot of surface area and resulting flotation with four of those tracks on an ATV. I think the videos speak for themselves.
You would have a better argument saying that riding the explorer kit is like riding dirt bike compared to an ATV (both in the summer). What you buy depends on how you want to ride and what you want to use it for.
I'm still laughing. Have you ever seen what one of those track kits can do on ATV's? Maybe these will help enlighten you....
Video 1
Key phrase in Video 2: "The newest styles now will go through as you can see FIVE FEET of powder."
Video 2
There is a lot of surface area and resulting flotation with four of those tracks on an ATV. I think the videos speak for themselves.
You would have a better argument saying that riding the explorer kit is like riding dirt bike compared to an ATV (both in the summer). What you buy depends on how you want to ride and what you want to use it for.
That's a bold statement, especially when it's possible to bury a full on mountain sled.
The ski, yeah, that half the price of the kit right there! Stupid me...
Hrm the adapter... Essentially three pieces of aluminum plate, two pieces of bar stock turned on a lathe, and two cone pieces, also turned, that bolt to the caliper mounts. Nothing too complicated there.
Yeah, in my case six cone shaped adapters that are turned on a lathe and have a bolt screw into each end. I know those are just so hard/expensive to make it must drive the price up!
You can't really argue this, Mike. There's not a track kit for anything that is build with the design requirements of "has to be heavy" and "can't be rugged".
The kit is overpriced. There now you have seen someone say it. For the design quality and function from a mechanical engineer's standpoint, if I had known all the little details about this kit I probably would have saved up for the 2moto kit or just bought a sled. Now to be fair, I think the 2moto kit is also over priced, but you get A LOT more hardware for the extra $1250. I'll be writing a full review on my issue(s) before too long so everyone knows what I'm talking about.
I have a kit, and the most complicated/expensive component is the track it self. Injection molds for that large of a track ain't cheap. The bulk of the kit is either fasteners or simple components turned on a lathe, or cut from aluminum plate, simple parts to make.
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Hey Mike.. Soon as business picks up and I can make some dang money, i'll be ordering a kit from chad. Alot of haters on here. Everyone wants to compare this to something else. kinda lame if you ask me.. It aint a Groomer, Snowmobile or ATV for christ sakes.. get over it. Its a dirt bike kit and it is fun as hell!
well seeing that i have hands on experience with quad track systems and explorer kit in the snow, and you do not. your fighting a battle with an empty gun,,, just sell your explorer or ride it ONCE and you will see. boivin has already sold more explorer systems , then any bike kit ever, and its only begun to snow, i have tested this system in dirt, sand, water, packed and powder snow! there is nothing that i have ever seen cost 3k to hold up in such conditions except explorer. you say overpriced! unreal,,, its way underpriced. and time will show that. come back when you have more ammo please. i will be going on tour with 7 snowbikes all over the northern usa in december and jan. what drives me? PASSION for a great product! TY AD BOIVIN
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