Thinking about buying a proclimb

[polarisfornow]

Well, riding the prolite I feel i got a pretty good idea of what the mod sled would have been like, but riding this sled answered my biggest issue which was bar position... I will NOT run these silly offset bar setups people are running... just can't stand them... might as well ride an XP I wanted to know how this steering would work for me, and it VERY much did. That was my biggest hangup on the prolite, and this one felt way better... but still had other issues, that again might have been fixable, but I KNOW the XM feels good for me pretty much as it sits (oh yeah and then skis, hood, riser, ) in reality though, I really like the doo out of the box.

My issues with the XM stem from durability... which is something I've been heard bichin about on the cat forum here, but I've got a bit of a theory on that one too:

The lower frame... the part that has bent for myself & a few other people I know just around here, this part was changed in 13, which was obvious by the fact that the oil delete became easier, but we didn't think about WHY.

IMO the fact that I know 3 guys with 12's that bent up the lower frame, which helps the panel assy bend up as well, just for fun... but yet in the next 2 years this hasn't become commonplace (I hear about it here & there, but not like guys bending S modules on doos) IMO the 13 frame must be stronger, which is why folks are finding the 13 & 14 so much more durable than what we saw with the 12.

I actually talked about this 2 years ago and it was a change that cat did but wasn't really advertised a whole lot. I'm guessing because that would admit a problem. The sx guys kept bottoming out the sled right on the cooler so the engineers essentially lifted up the bulkhead in the middle of the sled to help with that problem. Well a positive side effect of this was that it helped the triangulation effect on the front end and stiffened up the whole chassis.

 

[wfieldin]

Kaleb, did the AC have stock skis on it, when I was in PW Joe was talking about putting something else on it, curve or something like that?

 

[josh@andeon]

some mtxs will fix the diving on the front end

x2 on the MTX I love mine on this sled much better than stock and a lot better than 7" powder hounds.

 

[splat10]

having a XF snopro i know what you are saying about the steering. I didn't like the horizontal steering in that it made it really hard to pull on the bars for sidehilling and tipping it over because they'd end up turning in the wrong direction due to the up/down steering geometry. So this year i put onthe adjustable post (which was a mistake, should have gone with the cheaper and stiffer HCR...). Now i have the proper leverage that i was missing from my Crossfire days but the bars are right in my junk and really tire me out. I don't know which i prefer (really don't like either). I think the bars and geometry are one of the biggest problems with the PC. For trail riding the horizontal setup is perfect (after all the PC is a trail based design)

I think a lot of your tree riding problems come from the steering angle on that sled.

 

[arctic2009]

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I actually talked about this 2 years ago and it was a change that cat did but wasn't really advertised a whole lot. I'm guessing because that would admit a problem. The sx guys kept bottoming out the sled right on the cooler so the engineers essentially lifted up the bulkhead in the middle of the sled to help with that problem. Well a positive side effect of this was that it helped the triangulation effect on the front end and stiffened up the whole chassis.

This was never done on the production sleds, only the race sleds. The bulkhead tip hasn't changed from 2012. This is why I wanted to build a mountain sled from a 2013+ race chassis to get the tip in there. I think it may have an effect on "paneling out" because the middle of the sled is essentially higher, making it have more clearance before the belly pan hits the snow on a steep side hill. I also like that the running boards dont feel like such a steep angle forward on the race sled as compared to the production sleds.

 

[polarisfornow]

This was never done on the production sleds, only the race sleds. The bulkhead tip hasn't changed from 2012. This is why I wanted to build a mountain sled from a 2013+ race chassis to get the tip in there. I think it may have an effect on "paneling out" because the middle of the sled is essentially higher, making it have more clearance before the belly pan hits the snow on a steep side hill. I also like that the running boards dont feel like such a steep angle forward on the race sled as compared to the production sleds.

Are you sure that didn't make it to the production sleds? My dealer said when he replaced a tunnel on a 13 they are now marked with 2 sets of holes. One set is for the 12's and the other is for the 13+ sleds. Also I've always attributed the change as part of the reason that guys that have changed the skid on the 12's to the 13 or 14 position still don't feel the same as an actual stock 13 or 14. Because the actual geometry isn't exactly the same. I could be totally wrong but that's what I've been told.

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[nosajlleb]

I read the thread thinking BCIL is coming back in the fold and then he leaves with another doo. Soap opera drama!

 

[arctic2009]

Are you sure that didn't make it to the production sleds? My dealer said when he replaced a tunnel on a 13 they are now marked with 2 sets of holes. One set is for the 12's and the other is for the 13+ sleds. Also I've always attributed the change as part of the reason that guys that have changed the skid on the 12's to the 13 or 14 position still don't feel the same as an actual stock 13 or 14. Because the actual geometry isn't exactly the same. I could be totally wrong but that's what I've been told.

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Are we talking about skid position or the chassis positions? Im almost 100% positive the bulkhead position hasn't changed like the race sleds have, but I have been wrong before

 

[polarisfornow]

Are we talking about skid position or the chassis positions? Im almost 100% positive the bulkhead position hasn't changed like the race sleds have, but I have been wrong before

The actual chassis position. My post was probably a little hard to follow. My dealer was saying that the front of the tunnel (where it attaches to the bulk head) has additional holes now. One set for the 12's. And one set for the 13+. Hence the reason that guys that have dropped or moved their skids on their 12's still don't "feel" like the 13's and 14's. Like i said too just going on what my dealer was telling me, not 100% on it.

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[rkm]

The bottom side panels are different on the 12s vs 13/14. They dont interchange, I believe there was a geometry change that no one seems to know about

 

[Matte Murder]

BCIL I'm a new cat rider on a 14 Pro Lite. What are the parts needed to convert to "vertical steering"?

 

[backcountryislife]

Kaleb, did the AC have stock skis on it, when I was in PW Joe was talking about putting something else on it, curve or something like that?

They sold their demo literally as I was walking in the door, so the sled I took out was brand new off the line... no changes whatsoever.

I set up throttle, riser, brake, minor suspension setup and went riding.

Maybe if the sled had a set of better skis on it I'd be riding a cat next weekend... sure seems like skis would change what the sled was doing, but I guessed on my 12, had faith I could make it work, and after months of changing things that never happened, I just didn't want to take the risk of riding a sled I didn't like again.

 

[splat10]

BCIL I'm a new cat rider on a 14 Pro Lite. What are the parts needed to convert to "vertical steering"?

you have vertical steering (bars swing in the horizontal plane). The LXR has the over the engine Horizontal Steering that the Pro-cross sleds come with. This swings the bars in an more vertical plane (about 45degrees). This makes the bars turn when you pull up on them to lay the sled over.

There is no Acc kit to convert to the Horizontal steering like there is for the vertical (pro-cross guys like me and LXR guys wanting the vertical is common, going from vertical to horizontal is pretty unheard of to this point). You need the post support and the new post. Less parts to go that way but still not cheap. I have the complete setup sitting on my benchbut not sure i want to sell it yet (would convert back for re-sale here on the east coast).

 

[backcountryislife]

BCIL I'm a new cat rider on a 14 Pro Lite. What are the parts needed to convert to "vertical steering"?

It comes with vertical... what I'd convert to is "laydown" though with the stubby front end on these, once you do a post forward... it's pretty much vertical.


looks to me that it will costs about $66 plus the riser & the post forward. Post aside, you're mostly removing parts, not adding.

you get this:

Or all this stuff

As someone who knows that the laydown setup isn't that big a deal as long as it's more vertical, this is an easy mod.

 

[splat10]

How do you move the post forward and how much can you fit on the horizontal?

 

[arctic2009]

The actual chassis position. My post was probably a little hard to follow. My dealer was saying that the front of the tunnel (where it attaches to the bulk head) has additional holes now. One set for the 12's. And one set for the 13+. Hence the reason that guys that have dropped or moved their skids on their 12's still don't "feel" like the 13's and 14's. Like i said too just going on what my dealer was telling me, not 100% on it.

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It would be interesting to see some measurements on this to see if it really has changed??

 

[polarisfornow]

It would be interesting to see some measurements on this to see if it really has changed??

You still have a 12 correct? I could take a few measurement off my 14 to compare. Having owned all 3 years of the pc I do feel like the 12 is a different standing position than my 13 or 14 is. Originally I attributed that to it being a 4stroke with the horizontal steering. But like you mentioned it does have a different feeling even in the footwells.

 

[backcountryislife]

How do you move the post forward and how much can you fit on the horizontal?

you can do 2 or 3"

The stock setup felt like the 2" would be similar in angle to an XM, and that the 3" would be what I'd want.

 

[polarisfornow]

It comes with vertical... what I'd convert to is "laydown" though with the stubby front end on these, once you do a post forward... it's pretty much vertical.


looks to me that it will costs about $66 plus the riser & the post forward. Post aside, you're mostly removing parts, not adding.

you get this:

Or all this stuff

As someone who knows that the laydown setup isn't that big a deal as long as it's more vertical, this is an easy mod.

Look at he new loser Doo rider trying to convert everyone to horizontal steering! Pure Sacrilege!!!!!

 

[arctic2009]

You still have a 12 correct? I could take a few measurement off my 14 to compare. Having owned all 3 years of the pc I do feel like the 12 is a different standing position than my 13 or 14 is. Originally I attributed that to it being a 4stroke with the horizontal steering. But like you mentioned it does have a different feeling even in the footwells.

no 12 for me. I went back to the old M. as far as the difference between the race sled and 14 side by side, the running boards are a lot different feeling. The production sled feels almost too steep and the race sled feels just right