The Get your FIX for the RMK 800

[R44guy]

Last Dyno Charts Results

Last Dyno chart results. I want to thank PMS, MTNTK, Joey, BMP, and Monte. Let the questions, comments, and arguments begin.

 

[R44guy]

R44guy, what can are you running with the bikeman pipe? Did you do any runs with diffrent cans with the PCV hooked up?

Top Notch, We only ran the factory polaris can, we had already tested most all of the aftermarket cans including SLPs, BMPs, Skins, MBRP, HCS, etc. and all of them lost power on the dyno but they were lighter and louder but sadly enough lost power on the D8 CFI. The PCV has not helped in regards to add power from any of the cans from what we have seen on the D8's either, but obviously the PCV has helped with fixing the lean spots and improving the power band. I will let Monte chime in on the tuning in the mid range and how well the PCV tunning helped to change a 6000 rpm bog to make a longer wider power band pull. The tune from Jim at DTR was very good and Jim tested it at 162hp which is close to what we had but BMP and DTR use two different style dynos which helps explain the difference as well.

 

[thefullmonte]

He is running the stock can. They had tested quite a few cans on a prior dyno session and stock was best.
Here is the link to his original dyno session.

Thanks again for inviting me along. We had a great day with some great results. I think I was more excited about the pipe than you were. Lol.

Joey came off immediately as a very nice guy. As we proceeded with the dyno testing his knowledge became evident and he was very willing to share that knowledge. Sometimes it's important to just listen.

After the 1st run just getting the stock pipe warmed up I could tell that R44guy was pretty happy with his PMS kit. So was I. The motor sounded very strong and much smoother than the stock motor.

Like R44guy I'm just not sure what to think about the Gizmo fix. Unless the extra heat is doing something benificial to the pistons we definitally saw HP decrease as engine heat increased.
The real jaw dropper for me was the BMP pipe. I'm not sure I would have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. The first pull putting heat in the pipe was huge. Like R44guy said, about 13 hp. I think I said something along the lines of, "holy crap!". Joey turned and said, "OK you're the witness and I didn't change anything or hit any magic buttons". We all enjoyed a good laugh. Seriously though the pipe had a much better power curve than stock. It was able to maintain close to peak rpm much longer. There was a slight sacrifice of midrange, but he replaced most of that using the Power Commander. No hidden tricks and was very honest about everything he was doing.

I'm going to have to put my endorsement on BMP. Some really great people working hard over there. They gave me an education and certainly earned some respect. Now I have to figure out how to start saving for that pipe. Lol.

 

[Top Notch]

Top Notch, We only ran the factory polaris can, we had already tested most all of the aftermarket cans including SLPs, BMPs, Skins, MBRP, HCS, etc. and all of them lost power on the dyno but they were lighter and louder but sadly enough lost power on the D8 CFI. The PCV has not helped in regards to add power from any of the cans from what we have seen on the D8's either, but obviously the PCV has helped with fixing the lean spots and improving the power band. I will let Monte chime in on the tuning in the mid range and how well the PCV tunning helped to change a 6000 rpm bog to make a longer wider power band pull.

That's exactly what Jim at Dynotech has said, Was just curious what you had noticed. Alike Monte, money will be saved for a BMP pipe. Thanks for all the info and dyno reports.

 

[machinest660]

Thanks for posting your findings on the dyno, Glad to see you got some good hp numbers

 

[thefullmonte]

Top Notch, We only ran the factory polaris can, we had already tested most all of the aftermarket cans including SLPs, BMPs, Skins, MBRP, HCS, etc. and all of them lost power on the dyno but they were lighter and louder but sadly enough lost power on the D8 CFI. The PCV has not helped in regards to add power from any of the cans from what we have seen on the D8's either, but obviously the PCV has helped with fixing the lean spots and improving the power band. I will let Monte chime in on the tuning in the mid range and how well the PCV tunning helped to change a 6000 rpm bog to make a longer wider power band pull. The tune from Jim at DTR was very good and Jim tested it at 162hp which is close to what we had but BMP and DTR use two different style dynos which helps explain the difference as well.

I believe they had the DTR bikeman map installed, but wasn't producing well between 6-7000rpm probably due to the variances in the ECU flash. Sounds like the pipe was developed using the original 08 mapping so depending on the ECU flash I'm sure most sleds would still benifit from the addition of the PCV. Joey did some very minor adjustments of 2-4% in that RPM range with the PCV. I was really amazed that it recovered almost all the HP just from some very seamingly minor adjustments. It showed that he really knew what he was doing, but also how critical the fueling is on this motor. We hit DET at one point from going just a couple of % too far, but he remedied that with just a couple of key strokes.

Another item worth noting is that torque increased and maintained at higher rpm with the BMP pipe. Torque pulls the weight so it was also good to see that.

 

[INDEEP]

Thanks for taking the time to post your results.

 

[shabs]

I believe they had the DTR bikeman map installed, but wasn't producing well between 6-7000rpm probably due to the variances in the ECU flash. Sounds like the pipe was developed using the original 08 mapping so depending on the ECU flash I'm sure most sleds would still benifit from the addition of the PCV. Joey did some very minor adjustments of 2-4% in that RPM range with the PCV. I was really amazed that it recovered almost all the HP just from some very seamingly minor adjustments. It showed that he really knew what he was doing, but also how critical the fueling is on this motor. We hit DET at one point from going just a couple of % too far, but he remedied that with just a couple of key strokes.

Another item worth noting is that torque increased and maintained at higher rpm with the BMP pipe. Torque pulls the weight so it was also good to see that.

Good to hear positive results sounds like your about 9hp above last year ... Wow that pipe makes power at high rpm thats a good thing for track speed and top end but can u pull 8,400rpm with heavier weights? Thats a broken in motor too is it not, perfect now u know what u have on day to day basis with the new kit.

 

[diamonddave]

Thanks for the post. I looked through your dyno sheets, did you dyno stock pipe and can with PCV? It looked to me that the only PCV run was made with the BMP pipe.

 

[429dhm]

Ok I spent this morning at BMP Bikeman Performance in Osceola, WI. I invited the Full Monte from the forum to come out and he checked out the dyno session today so dobnt be surprised if he posts more information about the dyno session. It was a pleasure to meet Monte in person and I had a great time talking sleds with him today.

Joey Strub at Bikeman did all of the dyno & tuning work and he is like a walking dictionary. We had some good test and tune results.

1. The MTNTK / PMS Polaris the fix kit did make 5-6 hp more than the sled did stock by the dyno results. (Feel free to look up my orignal posts from last year when the sled was new and stock with the 2010 updates.)

2. My sled does not have the 2010 or april ECU map flash it has the orignal 08/09 flash and the orignal 08/09 cylinder head with the 2010 updated jug/cylinder and the fix kit as well as the EV hoses plugged.

3. The HP sky rocketed when we put the BMP pipe on the sled by almost 12.9 hp and 5.1 ft of torque in file BMP data5910-1 and BMP data5910-2

4. Almost all of the pulls were at 112-115 degrees except for one we did at 130 to see how the dyno numbers showed for the redneck racing gizmo and sorry to report both the torque and horse power dropped down to 143.3 hp and 96.7 ft of tq in file BMP data5906-1 and BMP data5906-2. We used the display on the sled to verify engine coolant temps for every pull.

5. After the BMP pie was installed we installed my PCV with Jim's tune from DTR for the BMP Pipe and orignal 08/09 map and ended up with some very good dyno numbers and then we tweaked his tune a little bit and got a little more mid range and a tiny bit more on the top with a little less tq.

Last but not least I will post picks and then the individual dyno pull sheets besides the graph post after post until they are all posted. If you have any questions please post. If you want copies of the dyno sheets emailed to you feel free to pm me or email r44guy@gmail.com.

Was the 130 degree run done with the BMP pipe or stock pipe?

 

[R44guy]

Thanks for the post. I looked through your dyno sheets, did you dyno stock pipe and can with PCV? It looked to me that the only PCV run was made with the BMP pipe.

Dave, you are correct we did not run the stock pipe with the PCV, we only installed the PCV after we put the Bikeman Pipe on. Looking back we should of tried it but last year we did test it.

 

[R44guy]

Was the 130 degree run done with the BMP pipe or stock pipe?

429, We only had the stock pipe on the sled for the 130 degree dyno run to see if the results posted for the gizmo kit may be accurate and according to our number the little extra heat loses some power it does not increase it. Like all of the dyno and engine builders have said for many years heat kills motors.

 

[R44guy]

Good to hear positive results sounds like your about 9hp above last year ... Wow that pipe makes power at high rpm thats a good thing for track speed and top end but can u pull 8,400rpm with heavier weights? Thats a broken in motor too is it not, perfect now u know what u have on day to day basis with the new kit.

Shabs, That BMP pipe liked the higher rpm's and obviously with the higher hp & tq it should really pull some additional weight so we will see?

 

[Adobe-Al]

R44GUY- Thanks for all that info. That is great stuff- Now I want you to ride your sled non-stop for 3000 miles this season. Is that to much to ask for? I think the PMS kit and a PCV might just make it that far! I sure hope so. Thanks again!

 

[TARI]

Heres a kit using a taller stock oem piston, with less taper so less rock in the cylinder, and our billit head and shim adapter with gaskets. Set up for turbos and high elevation mtn riding giving more acceleration, power and reliability. Can also be set up for low elevation or lake racers as well.
With different compression ratios for whatever application you may have.

http://www.terraalpsracing.com/product/800-ho-porting-and-billit-head-01

 

[R44guy]

Heres a kit using a taller stock oem piston, with less taper so less rock in the cylinder, and our billit head and shim adapter with gaskets. Set up for turbos and high elevation mtn riding giving more acceleration, power and reliability. Can also be set up for low elevation or lake racers as well.
With different compression ratios for whatever application you may have.

http://www.terraalpsracing.com/product/800-ho-porting-and-billit-head-01

Tari, I think you jacked my thread here and you should of started another thread but since your here now tell us more about these kits?

1. How long ago did you start developing this kit?

2. How long have you been testing this kit?

3. How many kits have you sold?

4. How many miles have been put on your kit to date?

5. Why did you use the stock style pistonsng over the wisecos?

6. How does your kit change the timing?

7. Any dyno results or tests?

8. How does your kit compare to the MTNTK kit? (Other then the Head)

9. What have you used for fuel mapping and tunning?

10. How much shipped to the US with the excise or export tax's?

 

[timbo]

R44GUY,have you done a compression test yet just wondering what your getting with the 09 head.Put the kit in mine today 09 block,10 cyl and update head,nice and quiet now and very responsive throttle.From first start-up we let it warm to 122 degrees,shut it down and did a compression test got 135 both sides thats 10lbs more than old motor in it's prime.Will take it out on Sat to put some miles on it.

 

[milehighassassin]

R44GUY,have you done a compression test yet just wondering what your getting with the 09 head.Put the kit in mine today 09 block,10 cyl and update head,nice and quiet now and very responsive throttle.From first start-up we let it warm to 122 degrees,shut it down and did a compression test got 135 both sides thats 10lbs more than old motor in it's prime.Will take it out on Sat to put some miles on it.

What elevation did you perform this test?

 

[timbo]

What elevation did you perform this test?

It's about 2000ft around here.

 

[milehighassassin]

It's about 2000ft around here.

I figured, I have a high comp head and I got 130 at about 7k feet.