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The fix on the Pro

That is a very tough decision..and one I dont have an answer for, I personally would talk to both and find out what their strengths/weaknesses are, what if any kind of warranty they have, and then ask for name/numbers of average users that you can talk to and find out how they like what they are running...me personally, if mine went down in a non warranty situation..most likely I would do Carl's 900 kit..but thats just me..(I would investigate Indy Dan's kit as well)...

Just so there is no misunderstanding, i was thinking of just pistons and rings. I have a ported engine with slp pipe, shim kit etc. I have been thinking of wiseco pistons, rktek and mtntk piston fix kit. The bb kit is not an option so far.
 
Ak i have asked for names and given my # to Kelsey to give out so as I could talk to some one that has his kit. I have got no response. So far Kawgrn is the only one to come on here with hands on and that was for the fix kit.
Indy Dan is the only one that will warranty his theory.
As far as Carls BB for most of us that is way out of our price range hard to justify that on something you get to ride a few weekends a yr.
I believe I am the norm I just want a dependable sled with ample HP and if I am going to spend money on it I want it in acc not a rebuild. My Pro already cost me a trip to McCall this yr and most likely next yr because that 1k I would spend in McCall is going toward pistons.

If i got it so far, indy dan have concluded that there is no piston problem but to short rods? With his kit there is longer rods and new pistons or am i mistaking?
 
Ak i have asked for names and given my # to Kelsey to give out so as I could talk to some one that has his kit. I have got no response. So far Kawgrn is the only one to come on here with hands on and that was for the fix kit.
Indy Dan is the only one that will warranty his theory.
As far as Carls BB for most of us that is way out of our price range hard to justify that on something you get to ride a few weekends a yr.
I believe I am the norm I just want a dependable sled with ample HP and if I am going to spend money on it I want it in acc not a rebuild. My Pro already cost me a trip to McCall this yr and most likely next yr because that 1k I would spend in McCall is going toward pistons.

Just so there is no misunderstanding, i was thinking of just pistons and rings. I have a ported engine with slp pipe, shim kit etc. I have been thinking of wiseco pistons, rktek and mtntk piston fix kit. The bb kit is not an option so far.

Well hopefully it is just a matter of kelsey being to busy to answer right now, but if you dont get an answer soon I would choose a different kit...And yes, the carls big bore is spendy...and not in everyones price range, but since so many do little mods like head, pipe, reeds and such, its really not that much more to do the bigbore instead, and the power/reliability would make up for the price....one guy who might have knowledge of kelseys piston kit would be chad( IQRIDR on here)..he is running kelseys 858 kit and I think has sold a few of the piston kits as well...
 
I would love to see brad(1200 psi) or carls go thru BME and get a custom piston made for these things, they build with a different material(non silicone based) which is a far superior material to make pistons from, and they are the top piston manufacturer in the world(for all out high performance/racing), then do both a drop in piston kit and a special long rod/piston combo kit..
 
....one guy who might have knowledge of kelseys piston kit would be chad( IQRIDR on here)..he is running kelseys 858 kit and I think has sold a few of the piston kits as well...

he went back to the stock bore. not sure if he actually sold any of the piston kits? is still a good person to talk to, lots of good info/experience. his work number is 907 306-3062

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If these kits are the FIX why not give/sell a 12 month warranty option with purchase???? Have the consumer send in their monoblock for inspection and fit the piston to your spec.
Granted his fix is not cheap, but Indy Dan stands behind his for 5 years. Figure it out, for the long haul Dan's is the cheapest.
With anyone else FIX kit you lose your warranty. Lose a cylinder skirt and then cough up $4200.00 for a short block. I don't think so. You be the Judge. If they won't stand behind their product I call it b******t.

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Ya right now I'm thinking Indy Dan's fix is the ticket because he stands behind it with a warranty. That's mean a lot to me. As soon as my warranty is close to being done I'm dropping my sled off at Indy Dan's door..... :face-icon-small-coo
 
Hard to justify Indy Dan's fix as well. I'd take that money and drop it in a pro with a warranty before I'd reinvest that much into an IQ


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When I owned my aftermarket Harley shop back east I stood behind all my engine and tranys it did not matter if it was stock or a stroker if it is built right it will last and you can tell when it was misused .
 
Hard to justify Indy Dan's fix as well. I'd take that money and drop it in a pro with a warranty before I'd reinvest that much into an IQ


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Mine is a 2012 Pro Assault, not an IQ chassis. He has a rod ratio fix for the CFI-2 800 motor too. And it comes with a warranty on the motor for 3 or 5 years. When i spoke to Indy Dan even he recommended waiting until my warranty is close to expiring, then coming to him for his kit. While his kit isn't cheap, it's warrantied where the others are not.
 
What would the difference in price be to just trade up maybe by than poo will have a reliable engine?
 
What would the difference in price be to just trade up maybe by than poo will have a reliable engine?


I personally hate buying new sleds every 2-3 years and taking the losses doing that incurs. I realize everyone has different thoughts on this but this chassis is strong and can survive a long time and take abuse, so with a reliable motor a guy could keep this sled 10 years if he wanted. That's just how I operate. Shoot, maybe in 10 years I'll still be ripping on my 2012 Pro! :face-icon-small-coo
 
I think next move is to stuff an M-8 motor in here!!!then I wont need pistons,
 
What sleds have done in 10 yrs makes one think what will be in 10 years?
As far as stuffing an M-8 in FYI last trip out we pulled one M-8 out with a stuck crank, so I'll risk the poo motor
 
Hard to justify Indy Dan's fix as well. I'd take that money and drop it in a pro with a warranty before I'd reinvest that much into an IQ


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LOL....Who's talking about the IQ? Indy Dan's kit is for both the CFI-4 and CFI-2. The only difference between them is 2 injectors and a tiny bit of porting differences between these 2 motors.

BTW....the fix kit from MTNTK flat out works, adds a little torque over a stock CFI-2 or CFI-4 and doesn't break skirts!!!! I was skeptical also. But there is enough of these things running around in CFI-4's to give you guys the confidence you need especially when you consider how much better the fueling is with the CFI-2. Many of the issues that plagued the CFI-4 was/is mapping. Not an issue with the CFI-2. Big Bonus!!

Just pullled a pipe and head off a 2011 edit(with the fix kit) 800 miles on it for mod's and everything looks perfect. This sled will outperform all of the other stockers with the same track's, suspensions, etc.
 
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Yes and No. The cylinder skirt should have the same support. The amount of support the piston skirt will have at BDC will be lessened with a shim. The wrist pin of the piston was not relocated but the top of the piston was raised. When you lift the cylinders the piston will be more exposed (less support) at BDC. Although the piston will be less likely to rock in the bore with more surface area in the cylinder at the correct tolerances.

So, again, not seeing the support being less. The piston is length is increased by the same amount as the shim.
 
So, again, not seeing the support being less. The piston is length is increased by the same amount as the shim.

Its not the support of the entire piston that will be less. Its just the piston skirt. Put a piston at BDC in an engine and lift up on the cylinder. You will expose the piston skirt. The cylinder skirt will have the same support since the shim fits tightly against it. If all they did was relocate the wrist pin of the piston and use a shim they would have kept the same exact support as a stock engine, but they didnt move the wrist pin at all. They made the piston taller on top.

I see where you are coming from but with the skirt exposed at BDC it will have less support.
 
I think next move is to stuff an M-8 motor in here!!!then I wont need pistons,

Please do. We need a benchmark cost for replacing Cat clutches and belts to compare against a set of pistons, a base gasket and some o-rings. :face-icon-small-hap
 
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