STANDALONE ECU PLUG N PLAY DIRECT FACTORY REPLACEMENT 800CC POLARIS ENGINE

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

So is this thing ready yet?
yes 100%
Does anyone have any time in the mountains on it yet?
yes
Looks like it runs pretty good on the lake, I would like to hear some feedback from somone outside the company that is running it.
shouldn't be too long!
How many Units have you sold?
so far,46 units have left to distributor and 31 ar on backorder until mid february(next 50 ecu production ) ....thanks

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

sounds like here in the next week or so. The VIPEC does everything every piggy back box does. This box is just like a stock setup. Once tuned you will be able to run your turbo from sea level to 12000 feet without having to change the fuel......just like you would with a stock sled and yes it does have a boost controller built in. With this box you will not have any other after market piggy backs to mess with, not even a o2 gauge if ya didn't want one.

correct....it is a 100% replacem,ent to the factory ECU....but 100% acces to any functions plus you get all the funny stuff like: antilag,launch control,5d mapping,baro compensation,lambda,knock control(programable),boost friendly,NOS friendly, ...ect.ect.ect.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

U probably already answered this but will this wrk on a dragon?
need a wiring harness build to match pin out of the oem ecu and for extra injectors
If so, say the. Voltage reg. took a poop, would it fry this unit like it does with stock ecu?
NO, we have incorporated a voltage surge protection so the ecu can take a 30 volt spike and no fry!!

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Thanks for your reply....

I have no doubt that your stand alone system is fantastic....there's no question that yours, motec, or even the mclaren system that nascar uses exceeds the capabilities of a stock polaris or general motors, etc system.
right!

My point is that the polaris fuel system is flawed in the way it applies fuel to the engine. Can a better control system make up for some of that? I have no doubt it can.
some experimentations can NOW be done since with our ecu, you control every aspects of that engine/fueling /charging system....can we find a better solution??

But if you think about it for a minute, Polaris struggled with carburation from 1998(Kiehin PWK 39mm's were very poorly tuned from factory), through to 2004(no air scews 02, major jetting swing 03,overly rich, etc), then got into efi and they have had tremendous engine troubles since then.
last year pro are running pretty good.....this year the engine demends more than 8 % more fuel across the rpm range and new injectors(we hope with a more stable flow!), i think it will be a good season again for the pro!

Four stroke engines have an extra two strokes for fuel to vapourize within....
and also anextra 150 poundd!!
two-strokes engines have always relied on the fuel mixture passing through the crankcase to accomplish this.
you are right....
So placing an injector one inch from the cylinder and expecting it to vapourize fuel as well as a throttle body mounted injector is asking a bit much.
humm, no better solution yet by any company....now with our ecu, if you want to experiment new idea you can....you have full conrol over the entire machine.
How do you make up for that?
we are selling a replacement unit for the pro not a re-engineered solution on a bad set-up design(according to you and you only!)
Add more fuel. How about poor fuel economy and failures on the thrust side of the piston with polaris 800s??
a 2 strokes is a 2 strokes , the beauty of it is 150 lbs less and super cold start,600$ to replace a burn down engine(vs 5000$ for a 4 stroke) and some FUN driving the sled....i do agree with you on the 4 stroke reliability, i have own several 300 hp nytro and i am going far more in the bush and climbing a lot more with a 200 hp pro than any other sled i had ever owned....the weight is killing the 4 strokes ....but in the sled market there is enough guys in favor of the 4 strokes and same for 2 strokes and that's hy we are all happy!
Maybe an abundance of unvapourized fuel??
maybe...


Anyhow, we've run better than a .9 sec 60ft with our 1000OM on ice, under ISR sanctioned rules and timing lights....what increase in response could we expect to see using your system?
well, let's just say our ECU sample rate is twice as fast as kokusan denki ECU

Respectfully
appeciated!

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Ok, noticed that these are only for pro's. Is the pro the only sled u are going to make them for?
no, we are currently working on arctic cat 800cc 2 strokes(very soon) , 1100 turbo,and skidoo 1200cc(next season)
When will there be one for the dragons?
No plug and play for the dragon....you need to make your pin out design matching our ecu(not too long...maybe 2 hours max)

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

From Vipecs software program....

"This function allows for electronic boost control on turbo charged engines via a boost control solenoid.

A boost control solenoid is used to modify the pressure signal from the turbocharger compressor outlet to the wastegate actuator. The minimum boost pressure that can be achieved occurs when the solenoid is continuously de-energised (0% Duty Cycle). This pressure is entirely dependent on the wastegate/actuator construction. The maximum boost pressure that can be achieved occurs when the solenoid is continuously energised (100% Duty Cycle). This pressure is typically dependent on the turbocharger/engine combination. Typically this pressure exceeds that which can be safely tolerated by the engine. By varying the on/off ratio (changing the Duty Cycle), a boost pressure between the minimum and maximum can be achieved.



Boost can be controlled using two sperate strategies; open loop control or closed loop control."

It does many, many things. Pretty cool

yahooooooooooo!!!!!!let just build stup now!!!!

 

[jsandgren10]

I have a question for you guys. Who are you really marketing this to? The way it makes it sound is that the system will be able to do a lot but sounds like it is up to the purchaser to calibrate and/or tune these functions in such as boost control, timing control, etc. Will these systems be a true plug and play for most any turbo pro application or will each turbo setup (BD, silver, HM, etc) need to setup their own map?

I understand the price of the unit is around $2k, which seems a bit steep if it is not setup for your sled. I know Paul over at impulse is between $1600-2000 but know on his standalone it is set up specifically for they nytro or the apex depending on which on you buy and is setup for his impulse kit.

Guess I am just curious as to what work would be involved for a non turbo builder to install one and have it run tops right out of the gate.

Last question is if the ecu were to get wet in some way does it pretty much mean you are towing a dead sled out there? Or if say the sled won't start and you have to troubleshoot it are there any codes it will produce, or do you need it hooked to a laptop with certain software to diagnose?

Thanks, very interested in how this will turn out.

 

[jeepin270]

Is this supposed to make our 2 stroke turbo's run like a four stroke, in regards to varying the throttle? Would I beable to cruise at the same rpm down the trail with no burping throttle what so ever? What excactly would I have to do, to run this on a dragon?

 

[SSWIM]

Is this supposed to make our 2 stroke turbo's run like a four stroke, in regards to varying the throttle? Would I beable to cruise at the same rpm down the trail with no burping throttle what so ever?


That is what He claims.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

I have a question for you guys. Who are you really marketing this to?
To any person that own a 800cc 600cc polaris 2011-up
The way it makes it sound is that the system will be able to do a lot but sounds like it is up to the purchaser to calibrate and/or tune these functions in such as boost control, timing control, etc.
the ECU is coming pre-programmed with a 12 hp increase and 24 ft/lbs of torque over stock(2011 = 1 mapping and 2012 = 1 mapping) 2011and 2012 have complete different mapping from each other.
Will these systems be a true plug and play for most any turbo pro application or will each turbo setup (BD, silver, HM, etc) need to setup their own map?
ignition timing will be same for all, but turbo manufacturer will have to adjust fueling slightly for their applications....but once set, forge about it.

I understand the price of the unit is around $2k,
1995$
which seems a bit steep if it is not setup for your sled. I know Paul over at impulse is between $1600-2000 but know on his standalone it is set up specifically for they nytro or the apex depending on which on you buy and is setup for his impulse kit.
Paul's standalone is a fuel/timing device only......it is a start but to get the kinda software we are including with our ECU is 15 years fulltime project for paul....I don't want to hit on paul's head but working with a hand build megasquirt base board is something totaly different then medical machine assembly board.....

Guess I am just curious as to what work would be involved for a non turbo builder to install one and have it run tops right out of the gate.
Not much

Last question is if the ecu were to get wet in some way does it pretty much mean you are towing a dead sled out there?
you can sink the ECU in a 45 gallon drum for 30 minutes and it won't sputter at all, 100% waterproof.
Or if say the sled won't start and you have to troubleshoot it are there any codes it will produce,
check engine will flash
or do you need it hooked to a laptop with certain software to diagnose?
with a small laptop(like acer aspire at 199$ best buy) you can access ECU with same software(tuning software) and check the error messages, also you can live datalog any parameters you want .

Thanks, very interested in how this will turn out.
thanks

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Is this supposed to make our 2 stroke turbo's run like a four stroke, in regards to varying the throttle?
you got it!
Would I beable to cruise at the same rpm down the trail with no burping throttle what so ever?
100% yes
What excactly would I have to do, to run this on a dragon?
simply match the generic wiring harness to the oem wiring harnes of your dragon, then tune it( we suggest you send your sled to a professional tuner for that part.)

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Is this supposed to make our 2 stroke turbo's run like a four stroke, in regards to varying the throttle? Would I beable to cruise at the same rpm down the trail with no burping throttle what so ever?


That is what He claims.
it's not a claim it is a fact!!

 

[jeepin270]

Is this supposed to make our 2 stroke turbo's run like a four stroke, in regards to varying the throttle?
you got it!
Would I beable to cruise at the same rpm down the trail with no burping throttle what so ever?
100% yes
What excactly would I have to do, to run this on a dragon?
simply match the generic wiring harness to the oem wiring harnes of your dragon, then tune it( we suggest you send your sled to a professional tuner for that part.)

Well that pretty much sums it up, spend 2g's plus... Then spend another thousand plus to get it tuned... I am pretty sure I am ok burping my throttle and ride the way a 2 stroke is supposed to be rode

 

[Mentzel]

Are these the same Vipec units we are using in watercraft for racing? If so they are really nice and work well.

I thought they were going to be $3500. If only $2k id like to have one.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Are these the same Vipec units we are using in watercraft for racing? If so they are really nice and work well.
They are a complete new ecu compatible with the VTS software. this ecu as everything needed to drive a batteryless system (quick voltage boost) and an incorporated cdi on the circuitery. better waterproof technology than old case...some of the top board has been borrowed from v44/v88.

I thought they were going to be $3500. If only $2k id like to have one.
We have worked a lot on pricing and commited to buy hundreds of them.we are now worldwide distributor for this baby!

thanks

 

[sledstew]

Ok guys just to clarify some things:

Here is what we are looking to accomplish with the ECU
1) Get the consumer or our dealers a excellent base map(which is by far better than the stock ecu map that the pro and rush come with)Feels way more crisp and responsive along with HP gains.
2) Make the modified and turbo applications way way more reliable.
3)Give the tuning guys more adjustability for each and every application.
4) Make the days of unreliability and adjustability go away!!!!!

I have run this ECU quite a bit now and I can tell you there is no comparison at all. The sled with just the vipec base map is like riding a modded crisp running sled. The Vipec is so fast it actually picks up the faults in the factory ecu and brings them to our attention. ECU reliabilty is not even an issue ,about one in a thousand chance or probably more you will ever have an ECU fail or go bad. Yes you can hook up and EBC(a good one) ,yes full boost control,power valve control, control of all your sensors like the brake,ignition switch, oil level,speed sensor etc:. This is it guys believe it if you want but the days of the dobeck and boondocker box are over for me , absolutely no comparison period!

For example:
Last week we were in Cooke city testing and a buddy of mine has a new pro 800, I swapped ECU's out on him and said take your sled for a ride and let me know what you think. When he came back he had this look on his face like what the hell did you just do? I said how did it work for you and this was his response " whatever you just did leave it alone and take this thing for a ride". Then I told him what I did, then I also took it off his sled. He was pissed at me but hey I was testing. He also told me it was like giving candy to a baby and ripping it out of its hands.

 

[SSWIM]

Well, I keep waiting for this unit to be tested on a turbo unit at my elevation. What's the hold up???

I said I would purchase as soon as it is implemented and proven. I realize snow is thin, but there has been enough for the other turbo gurus to test.


I patiently await your products release. Again, maybe not so patiently. My sled is WAITING!!!

Sam

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Well, I keep waiting for this unit to be tested on a turbo unit at my elevation. What's the hold up???

I said I would purchase as soon as it is implemented and proven. I realize snow is thin, but there has been enough for the other turbo gurus to test.


I patiently await your products release. Again, maybe not so patiently. My sled is WAITING!!!

Sam

we are working on fuel pump mapping turboed right now, should be done very soon, now plenty of snow in quebec and just finish the installation on na 2011 pro rmk and start testing tomorrow...maybe tonight in fact....after ignition and fuel are spot on, we are going to cook with some of our distributors to fine tune elevation and we are ready to disco dance!! so in two weeks from now we will be in USA to help our distributors on the tuning side of the business.

 

[madmax]

My thought on price-it should be $1000. If putting together a new kit and i didn't have a controller, I would definitely do $1000 vs $450 controller. If I already had a controller, I MAY (probably) switch for $1000.

$2000.....no way-period. Just my personal opinion.

Now, would I like to try one....heck yeah! I have Dragon that would love to see any benefits. (slight glitch in mid-range/throttle that I am sure a standalone would help)

Full control of timing. What if you could pull timing as boost increased using a MAP sensor? What if you could run straight pump gas at 12lbs of boost? Would $2000 be worth it then?

 

[m1kflyingtiger]

Are there any dealers in Alaska, and if not is there anyone here who could do the tuning? In your earlier videos it showed the tuning being done on a sled dyno and I don't even know of one of those in the state. I really like the concept behind this and will be watching the customer reviews closely, if it all works like you say (no offense ment, just like to hear it from someone who's not selling them on how they work) then I definatly will be going this route. Even if its got the same running character it would be sweet to not have to make any adjustment based on temp and altitude. But if it involves shipping my sled somewhere to get it set up, then having to fine tune again once I get it back here then I'm looking at a LOT more cash than it's worth.