so half the country wants another 4 years?

[skidoorulz]

no, You are missing the point. Before/after obama care it does not change the cost to insure me on a year to year basis. Of course it will cost them more to insure me additional years, but not as much as it would cost to insure me independently or any other way.

And while it isn't their responsibility to pay for my insurance(or help on living expenses) they feel like they are in good enough financial position to help me through college. They have been planning on helping me through college since I was born so it isn't impacting them too much.

As far as entitlement you are correct, so does it not make sense to force people to get insurance? It's like car insurance- Everyone has to have it no matter if your a good driver or not. Not all people today take pride in providing for themselves. And depending on your point of view the same could be said for me. To a point I would agree I don't mind my parents helping me a little bit longer while I am in school. It would be foolish of me to deny help when I obviously need it.

Just when I thought there was a spark of hope. Really? compare auto ins to health insurance? Let me educate you because your parents obviously haven't. The only insurance you have to carry by law on an auto is LIABILITY INSURANCE. That is not to protect you but to protect someone else due to your negligance. You are not required to carry collision for your vehicle for say if you hit a deer. It would be for your benefit to do so but you are not forced to. If you hit a deer you pay the consequences for not having collision and the repairs come out of your pocket. If you can't afford the repairs you do not get it done. Health insurance is for your benefit and yours only. Nobody else suffers the consequences if you do not have it. You should not be forced to have it. If you choose not to have it and you break a leg, it is or at least should be, your responsibility to pay the bill.
Now tell me again why you should be forced to have health ins like you are forced to have car insurance.

 

[mold]

It is in fact costing them more money. And is costing the employer more money do to the fact that he can be on his parents insurance 5 more years. Tell me how that is not costing anyone anymore money????? Not to mention that because of Odumbass care when and if his parents sell their home 3.8% of that sale will go to fund Odumbass care. I have said it once and I will say it again. When the government takes away all incentive to work. That government and country will cease to exist. History has proven that

All I am saying is it is not costing them anymore than they were already paying. Why do you continue to babble about things that were not even in my comment?

 

[mtsummitx]

Polaris, in the long term Obamacare will cost your parents more money. It's basic math. No fancy arithmatic here (i didnt go to college).

(insurance premiums for children x 24) - (insurance premiums for children x 18)= the amount more it will cost your parents.

You did not say- obamacare did not cause my parents insurance premiums to cost more. Had you said that, I would not argue.......yet, just wait till 2013

You said- I asked, and my parents say Obamacare is not costing them anymore $$$. Which is a flawed statement.

I do think everyone should have health insurance. But I believe they should have it at their own expense. it is not a "right" as many seem to believe. Yes, it is expensive. But guess what I pay for my own premiums, no one else. (except the portion my employer provides as a benefit) And I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your employer does not provide insurance, better yourself and find a job that does. It seems we no longer live in the land of the free, more like the land of the free ride. Life's tough, but in the end I would rather know that I made it through on my own, not on the backs of others.

 

[mold]

in the end I would rather know that I made it through on my own, not on the backs of others.

^^^you will certainly never hear those words coming from Mitt!!!

 

[skidoorulz]

^^^you will certainly never hear those words coming from Mitt!!!

Wow he isn't even President yet and here you are bashing him. Yes he has made millions on the backs of others. That is what a businessman does. That's the American way Another thing a good businessman does is employ people, not put them out of work. How many people in Obamas life has he put to work? He may have saved jobs by bailing out the auto makers. Which by the way I think was a good move considering the trickle down that would have happened had they failed. But he has never created 1 job on his own
One thing for certain if Romney is elected and his Presidency is a mess, He can always blame Obama

 

[POLZIN]

Has Romney promised that much really? Honestly I think people hype him up a lot more than needed because he ran a successful investment company. He knows nothing about foreign policy, just money imo.

Let's see

12 million jobs ( total flaming BS) politicians or presidents don't create Jobs IF the do it's not the kind we need. The kind that will help not the kind that put us more in debt

Repeal Obamacare ( yeah right he hasn't got the political courage )

The list goes on see his website for the full rundown

 

[polaris dude]

Polaris, in the long term Obamacare will cost your parents more money. It's basic math. No fancy arithmatic here (i didnt go to college).

(insurance premiums for children x 24) - (insurance premiums for children x 18)= the amount more it will cost your parents.

You did not say- obamacare did not cause my parents insurance premiums to cost more. Had you said that, I would not argue.......yet, just wait till 2013

You said- I asked, and my parents say Obamacare is not costing them anymore $$$. Which is a flawed statement.

I do think everyone should have health insurance. But I believe they should have it at their own expense. it is not a "right" as many seem to believe. Yes, it is expensive. But guess what I pay for my own premiums, no one else. (except the portion my employer provides as a benefit) And I've said it before and I'll say it again, if your employer does not provide insurance, better yourself and find a job that does. It seems we no longer live in the land of the free, more like the land of the free ride. Life's tough, but in the end I would rather know that I made it through on my own, not on the backs of others.

Yes, it costs more to insure me than not. NO Obamacare did not increase the cost of insuring me(in 2009 it costs the same to insure me as 2012---price adjusted for inflation). Why is this so difficult to understand? This is what I ment i thought it was clear if not, my apologies.

Isn't Obamacare an initiative to make sure everyone has health insurance(please tell me if that isn't the case I haven't done much research on it)? Right now I have no income and no benefits as all college kids do. I don't see the problem of my parents supporting me until I actually have a job(which I will in 5 years).

As for the whole pride thing, when your about do die would you rather say "I'm glad I made it on my own with no one helping me along the way at all"
Or "I couldn't have done it without the support of my family and friends".

 

[skidoorulz]

Yes, it costs more to insure me than not. NO Obamacare did not increase the cost of insuring me(in 2009 it costs the same to insure me as 2012---price adjusted for inflation). Why is this so difficult to understand? This is what I ment i thought it was clear if not, my apologies.

Isn't Obamacare an initiative to make sure everyone has health insurance(please tell me if that isn't the case I haven't done much research on it)? Right now I have no income and no benefits as all college kids do. I don't see the problem of my parents supporting me until I actually have a job(which I will in 5 years).

As for the whole pride thing, when your about do die would you rather say "I'm glad I made it on my own with no one helping me along the way at all"
Or "I couldn't have done it without the support of my family and friends".

You really believe that every college kid in this country have no incomes and no benefits? You are so misinformed. I have a nephew that is going to school right now in SD with absolutely no help from mom and dad. He works his azz off all summer and makes enough money to pay all his school expenses. And during the school year he works weekends farming close to where he is going to school to pay his other expenses. When he is done with school he will be debt free and his parents will not have any debt for his education. I firmly believe this kid will make millions if he continues to make the right decisions and continues his hard work. There are a lot more out there that are doing the same. And to go way back my wife went to college with absolutely no help from her parents. But with the free ride mentality that everyone has these days, those people are becoming rare. Do your parents a favor and do it on your own. You will appreciate what you have done a lot more in the end than the way you are doing it. Unless of course you have no pride.

And by the way there is a big difference in family and friends helping you when that is the last resort. But yes I would rather say I did it on my own, than depend on the government to take care of me.

 

[Vern]

there are many MANY college kids who have an income and go to school, at least a part time job to atleast help support themselves.

there's nothin wrong with asking help from friends or family if absolutely necessary and they are willing and able to help, but just to get a free ride because its there and not feel responsible or obligated to take some responsibility for yourself is bs in my book. I've had to ask for help from the parents a time or two financially When something has came up but i always payed them back and when i was living with them before i bought my house i paid rent, not because they forced me to but because i knew it was right.

 

[mtsummitx]

Isn't Obamacare an initiative to make sure everyone has health insurance(please tell me if that isn't the case I haven't done much research on it)?

OK polaris, I'm gonna drop the other issue. We have beat that to death. But you once again are misinformed. Obamacare is not an icentive to make sure everyone has health insurance. It is a law requiring it. If you do not get health insurance there will be monetary penalties which you must pay to the government. These penalties, fines, or taxes, whatever you want to call them
increase each year once they start (in 2014 if I remember correctly). Now, I don't know how you feel about this but I don't think the US government has any right to force someone to buy health insurance and fine them if they don't. And as far as help from family and friends, that is a little different story than feeding from the government trough that is refilled by the wallets of the working taxpayer. I won't even start on you going to college and not even working at least part time.

 

[mtsummitx]

And yes, I too have had some help from family along the way. But have never gotten a dime from anytype of government program. And hope I never do.

 

[polaris dude]

You really believe that every college kid in this country have no incomes and no benefits? You are so misinformed. I have a nephew that is going to school right now in SD with absolutely no help from mom and dad. He works his azz off all summer and makes enough money to pay all his school expenses. And during the school year he works weekends farming close to where he is going to school to pay his other expenses. When he is done with school he will be debt free and his parents will not have any debt for his education. I firmly believe this kid will make millions if he continues to make the right decisions and continues his hard work. There are a lot more out there that are doing the same. And to go way back my wife went to college with absolutely no help from her parents. But with the free ride mentality that everyone has these days, those people are becoming rare. Do your parents a favor and do it on your own. You will appreciate what you have done a lot more in the end than the way you are doing it. Unless of course you have no pride.



And by the way there is a big difference in family and friends helping you when that is the last resort. But yes I would rather say I did it on my own, than depend on the government to take care of me.

Yeah I misspoke. I meant most don't have an income. And MT you would think otherwise if you knew my credit load and the classes I am taking. Not to mention I am going for a 4.0, and I have to have extra curricular activities for my application which I sent a couple weeks ago. So yes, it has been impossible for me to have a part time job through college. I will probably end up paying them back at some point, its not like I owe them an incredibly large amount of money and their only helping the first 4 years of school(out of 6) .

 

[Mafesto]

Back to the original topic.....
I agree with everyone,
there is no way we can sustain another four years of the path this President has chosen.

GET OUT & VOTE!!!!!

 

[mtsummitx]

Good news!!!! This thread should end tomorrow!

 

[snowmobiler]

if O wins,might just quit working and live off freebees for 4 years.if you cant beat em join em?

 

[Skidoox]

The New York Daily News, the country’s fifth largest newspaper, endorsed Mitt Romney on Sunday, joining the ranks of more than a dozen papers that have turned away from Barack Obama after endorsing his candidacy in 2008.
The paper's endorsement came as a surprise: the News has a staunchly Democratic editorial viewpoint. The Daily News is also owned by one of the country's most respected and influential Democrats, Mort Zuckerman, the billionaire real estate mogul.
But the New York daily staked its arguments against Obama not on politics but the economy, charging that President Obama’s promises went unfulfilled.

 

[snowmobiler]

unfulfilled

 

[polaris dude]

"Obama takes an early lead! But speculators bet Romney the odds will be in Romney's favor in the afternoon after workforce gets off work."

 

[mtsummitx]

"Obama takes an early lead! But speculators bet Romney the odds will be in Romney's favor in the afternoon after workforce gets off work."

So I'm guessing you already voted polaris?

HAHAHAHA I'm kidding!!!
Just had to throw that in there because of our prior debate

 

[polaris dude]

So I'm guessing you already voted polaris?

HAHAHAHA I'm kidding!!!
Just had to throw that in there because of our prior debate

Haha of course! I thought it was ironic because I don't have a job and I did vote for Obama