SnoWesters, before you buy parts from people READ THIS:

[spring snow hero]

For those of you that might be wondering, I had deleted this thread this morning. I had several "reported Post" notifications (I'm sure you can guess who they were from) asking me to delete it. Since I hadn't read it yet, I deleted it to give me time to read through the whole thing.

Frankly, there is nothing in here that I feel warrants deletion. So, it is back.

FYI Ryan, the fact that "other people's phone numbers have been posted" means nothing since that information is already on the internet. Nice try though.

Just make it right.

Darrin

big D, you got green rep from me!

 

[travydog]

if he is all ready worried about paying out of his pocket and is such a scum bag what would make you think he is going to actually come up with the money to pay for a new motor. I am guessing that the money scott gave him for the motor is long gone. Who knows mabey he will suprise us all and be a real man and stand up and take resposibility for his wrongfull actions. Ya right!!!

 

[icr]

I got screwed by a forum member once when I was selling an item (he never paid) and it took a threat to contact his local police to report the theft before he even returned my emails/phone calls. I gave him a warning because he had no previous complaints against him.

In Scotts situation I would file charges. No questions asked, the kid is a criminal and needs to be treated like one.

 

[Scott]

I got an email from PayPal tonight saying funds have been sent.
I just have to wait 24 hours for it to "clear" I guess.

 

[RKT]

I got an email from PayPal tonight saying funds have been sent.
I just have to wait 24 hours for it to "clear" I guess.

That is great news!!

Kelsey

 

[Scott]

Yeah, but why do I have to wait for it to clear? Paypal says it's "under review" for 24 hours.
Is that normal? I've never seen that before with a verified user.
Generally, they are confirmed immediately from verified users aren't they?

 

[MARCUSO]

Nice!!

I hope everything you expected goes your way bud.

 

[MARCUSO]

I am guessing that it is a precaution so there are no surprises...

 

[jsandgren10]

He may have added another bank account, say his parents or something that isn't verified even though his user name is so it may take time to clear. I have ran into this problem before. I would wait for it to clear and then make sure to have it dumped into your linked account asap before giving anything back or having any work done if you are keeping the engine.

Good luck, hope this works out for you.

 

[Scott]

Can HE stipulate to PayPal that it goes under review and not clear yet?

 

[DenverR1]

No, I'm going through the same thing with paypal so I called them. They put high dollar purchases under review before it clears just because of the high ammount. The funds have already left from whatever source he is paying with.

 

[xrated]

This guy if he truely is going to stand behind this and has went to the effort to get this thread deleted SHOULD come on here and defend himself or at least make statements that he is taking care of his business here. The fact that he has NOT commented shows he was trying to slither out of this deal.

Or he didn't wanna be just like Team2.

Glad this is moving along Scott!

 

[squidward]

wow this guy is a fawking liar... there is no way the motor could have been running when they pulled it... it was not as described

running right and just running are way different....I've bought numerous sleds off of the 2nd type before for dirt cheap once I find major issues, like bum cylinders. Sure, they "ran", just one cylinder short.

Yeah, but why do I have to wait for it to clear? Paypal says it's "under review" for 24 hours.
Is that normal? I've never seen that before with a verified user.
Generally, they are confirmed immediately from verified users aren't they?

That's interesting actually. Usually they don't give the money back until the item gets shipped back...then within a few days when it's verified with tracking numbers you get the money. I've never had disputes over $100 so I don't know what they're doing with you.

I won't say specifics until you get your money back, but you're lucky he doesn't know methods to protect himself from paypal chargebacks. Seeing he's had numerous people pissed off I can't see this being his first rodeo with a paypal dispute.

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

This is a big problem with public forums.. I have to RESPECTFULLY disagree with this line of thinking..

I will explain..

From time to time the "Kelsey haters" like to ban together and start a bash thread on me or my products... MOST of the time the allegations are TOTALLY FABRICATED from one of the "hater's" imagination and they revel in the splendor of how the thread progresses even though the bases of the thread is totally false.. So, what happens is that you have a "lynching party" on hot stand-by WAITING for the "subject" to enter. Now, if and when the subject decides to enter the thread for defensive or explanatory purposes... then the lynching party gets their wish and the thread goes even further south in a BIG hurry..

Point being.. just because somebody posted or started a thread on ANY public forum where somebody or some business is the subject does not make it TRUE!! Keep in mind there is always 2 sides to every story.. His , theirs, and the truth...

So, it is a fine line to make strong claims against anybody on public forums because very soon after,the lyncing party forms and grows at a very rapid rate..

Now, having said all that, SCOTT, has been a well respected member on SW for MANY years and is known to be a stand-up fellow. He also BACKED UP his claims with emails (even though these are not proof, they are pertinent and relevant). then couple all this with the previous history of this Yarrow guy, it stands to reason that the claims are true.. One can assme that these allegations are , in deed, true and warrant some resolve.

Now, you saw the lyching party immediately form and grow and threats insued.. So, if this Yarrow guy gets on this thread and "chimes in" I would suspect that things would only get worse for him.. not better! At this point there is nothing he could say or do that would gain him any respect from anybody in this thread..

So, Scott, being the smart person that he is, has used this public forum as a means to an end and used it in a very civil manner and it looks like, he may be successful (congrats).. But he has not threatened Yarrow nor really spoke the ill of him.. All the "hate" has come fomr the other people in the thread.

So, point being... just because you read it on a public forum, does not make it true! trust me on this one.. I can not tell you how many fabricated stories I read on here that I know to be 100% false.. but they get treated as "gospel" nonetheless..

Scott, handled this with a very level head and hopefully he gets his money back or the parts he was promised.

Yarrow's rep is already ruined and he has nothing to gain by coming on here to add to the thread IMO , of course.. So, the fact that he is not responding says nothing about what he is really doing outside snowWest.. Because, according to Scott, it sounds like he is trying to make it right vis PRIVATE conversation with Scott..

Good luck Scott.. Nicely done

Kelsey

I disagree with a lot of your post...

First of all this is not about you or "The Kelsey haters" (I have no idea what that is about)

This is about Scott who is a respected member here, getting screwed by a low-life thief and a WHOLE BUNCH of other members coming to his aid to apply some good old fashioned peer pressure on the thief.
What the heck is wrong with that?
If Scott was the liar then I would expect Ryan to be on here immediately to defend himself.
I'm sure you do when you are accused wrongfully?...Right?
The fact that he didn't says very loudly that there was no defense for his actions at all.

If it can be handled this way without formal charges being filed the guy might actually learn that he is not invisible and WILL be held accountable for his actions among his peers.
Do you actually think this thief would have owned up to his actions so quickly without all the negative pressure from the "Lynching Party" as you called it?
I sure don't
I only hope that if I get screwed by some thief that this forum will come to my rescue as well as they did for Scott.

JMO though....

 

[drinkwyo]

Agreed 100% ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I agree with the post above. Stop whining Kelsey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Snowstar]

Way to put yourself over RKT. The difference between your hater threads and this one is you want to be the victim.

 

[DValentine]

I understand the MOB mentality that Kelsey is referring to. It is in effect here. But I don't think it is in the way Kelsey is talking about.

Ryan has done this before, as noted in this thread. Others including myself have been burned before. A REPEAT offender has no way they can defend their actions. He, as I see it, bought a junk yard motor and passed it on as "rebuilt goods" under the thinly vailed guise of internet ananiminity. He gets the money and then does the "dodge and weave" in his replies to Scott's questions. As other have stated "it happens" "sorry dude, you got burned." "Buyer beware" doesn't leave a lot of room to trust.

What we have here is lynch mob going after a known "cattle rustler". Here in Montana that still a hanging offense.

Dave

 

[RKT]

I understand the MOB mentality that Kelsey is referring to. It is in effect here. But I don't think it is in the way Kelsey is talking about.

Ryan has done this before, as noted in this thread. Others including myself have been burned before. A REPEAT offender has no way they can defend their actions. He, as I see it, bought a junk yard motor and passed it on as "rebuilt goods" under the thinly vailed guise of internet ananiminity. He gets the money and then does the "dodge and weave" in his replies to Scott's questions. As other have stated "it happens" "sorry dude, you got burned." "Buyer beware" doesn't leave a lot of room to trust.

What we have here is lynch mob going after a know "cattle rustler". Here in Montana that still a hanging offense.

Dave

Agreed.. 100%.. Nicely put...

If you read my post.. I did mention that this is different because there are "written" facts via email and the guy has a history of this sort of thing.. So, I think we are in agreement...

Also, Scott's rep preceeds him.. But, the point being, everything you read on a public forum should not be taken as gospel WITHOUT some FACTS (like Scott has provided)

A REPEAT offender has no way they can defend their actions.

Again, we are in agreement...The other point I was trying to make, and I guess, I did not do such a good jobof it, was that this Yarrow dude has nothing to gain by coming on here and defending himself because of his history..
I am fairly sure that even 3 years from now, if Yarrow is selling something.. you guys (and I)will not buy it.. Correct? So, if he comes on here and states his side, Now, you will all buy from him?? I suspect not..

Scott and Yarrow handled this situation pirvately and resolved it.. I am sure this thread was a big part of why Yarrow decided to come clean..

But, to the person that stated that since Yarrow was not in this thread responding, that he was also not doing anything to make it right with Scott is simply not true.. Right? We all know he WAS doing something.

As you can see, he has made it right and he did not need to enter a public thread to make it right with Scott.

If Scott was the liar then I would expect Ryan to be on here immediately to defend himself.
I'm sure you do when you are accused wrongfully?...Right?

You asked, so I will answer..actually.. I NEVER enter the threads where there is false info about me. Why, because...it just makes things worse.

Of course, this case is different..Like I said, there was proof that was NOT just HEAR-SAY.. So, there is a difference between threads that offer proof and the threads that are based solely on hear-say.. Agreed?

NO DOUBT, the Snow Wester's came through on this one.. Nice to see this happening.

Kelsey

 

[bigdarrin]

Apparently, this hasn't been resolved completely, so the thread has returned until the final solution is determined.

Darrin

 

[Scott]

When I get back home onto my computer I will post an update to this with Ryan's responses and actions.