sorry but I don't think so. This has been my experience. This is the reason I left the church. I'd rather do business with a non born again, because of reasons I previously stated.
Btw where did this thread go?
SNOWEST FORUMS: Member Comments on "Letter to All Members"
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Btw where did this thread go?
..... So I said to myself......." self, why am I wasting so much time reading all these posts?".......... 
Just to see what happens next.LOL.
Just to see what happens next.LOL.
If anyone thinks this isn't christophers doing all along, then go here and read the note from christopher about him taking ownership of this particular site and converting it to a pay site.
https://www.ldsavow.com/vbilling/order/join.html
https://www.ldsavow.com/vbilling/order/join.html
I think you are failing to see the big picture. see all the ads that come up when you log on??? they pay to advertise to us! that is how the bills should be paid. that is how it works on all the big sites. to ask for us to pay to see advertisers that pay for us to buy from them is assnine. think a little here. a giant circle jerk with harris laughing all the way to the bank!! sure we don't have to stay here and I will bet that the most knowledgable won't. Why would you pay to see ads for products that someone paid for you to see so that you can help with technical info on someone trying to jet a 76 sno jet??? hello, myspace, facebook and the other giants are not even this retarded,,,,,wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there has been no proof shown of the loss of this site!!!!, remember we are lumped in with a few others, they no profit, we no profitt!! not exactly am honest picture to paint, if we must pay, I think they must pay as well or else this is just a way to generate revenue off of the back of a very passionate forum crowd.
This here aint Mobile bay Chris, this here IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!
This is the most skewed way of interpretation I've ever seen. You think that just because we'll pay the money that we're in support of your master plan when nothing can be further from the truth. Your true colors really show man.
You might as well quit defending yourself and your master plan.
It's like when the Taliban takes someone hostage. Are you going to tell them how you really feel?
And I'm the head of SADP. Snowmobilers Against Dogmatic Pontification.
I doubt that you would want to join.
A specious argument requires one or both sides to be fallacious. I will let the other members decide which is fallacy in this discussion.
Interesting find Dave.
I went to that site, and clicked around a bit. I think you have correctly analyzed the situation.
And I found this statement signed by Chris.
Makes no difference to me what sites he's involved with, or what his beliefs are.
Just that the whole Snowest makeover looks more disingenuous (sp?) all the time.
"CONCLUSION
My brothers and sisters, please remember that I am but a fellow traveler on this journey. I hope, quite simply, that this site can act as a tool and an aid in your preparations. I am not privy to information from the Lord that you do not have. I am not a prophet, a seer, or a revelator. I do not have any stewardship or authority over you. I simply interpret what I have been given for myself and occasionally, when prompted, share my conclusions and ideas. We have all been given the same map, the same directions, and the same destination.
As the brethren have taught us many times in the past, all the money and all the preparations in the world will not save you in the events to come unless you are spiritually prepared. Temporal preparedness should be your second priority after your spiritual preparations.
I humbly ask that you do not treat anyone on this website, especially me, as bigger than life, nor should you regard anything I say or do with any special �weight.� We are all equals before the Lord. I have no special calling or authority over you. The Lord is our Master. His prophets are our guides. The Holy Ghost is our watchman. We are in this together.
May God bless you all in your efforts!
Christopher Parrett
Then there is this on the home page:
Join AVOW
A few comments on the paid subscription from Christopher:
Some choose to question our policy on charging for a membership to this site. I can certainly understand hesitation on this matter. Anybody charging for gospel- related services should be subject to scrutiny.
Prior to my assuming the role as site owner, all of the content was available for free. Unfortunately, the project was not sustainable. It was losing large amounts of money.
This site receives large volumes of traffic. It requires dedicated hardware in high-end internet data centers.
It requires on-going maintenance, license fees to pay for software we use, and countless hours of my personal time, and the time of many others, in operations and management. Quite simply, this site would not be sustainable without a subscription service.
It's interesting that some people have such a hard time with the concept of paying for these types of services.
The church distributes countless amounts of information, services, and books for money. Examples include The Ensign, Deseret Book, the distribution center, and more.
In most cases where actual cost is involved to produce and/or manage the content, the church requires a fee to help cover those costs. Unfortunately, we must do the same.
Again, just so its clear, I'm not making any personal judgements. Its still a free country ( for who knows how much longer) he can do what he wants with websites.
I just won't be participating.
I suspect that many will stay simply because they do not want to start over else where. To take that as a sign of agreement is egotistical. I choose to pay my taxes every year too. Not in agreement but because it is the lesser of two evils.
HP is banking on the fact that the majority of members here are lurkers and occasional users who will pay the fee to get info. If a significant amount of the active contributing members leave the content will suffer greatly. No amount of "real industry players" will make up for the loss.
And lets face it. If the so called big four had their act together, this forum would be mostly about snow conditions and where to ride. Instead, it is largely tech support. So you will have to forgive me if I am not giddy about the prospect of their joining this site. The are already here. Lurking and LEARNING.
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soooooo, this is new to me... my conclusion???? Chris, you are a f#@K Face, a piece of work that is only out to profit from others feelings of belonging and friendship. This is the low of low, I can't wait to hear you defend this!! Don't let me find you on the mnt or you might get a 16" 2 1/2 across the back! like you would even know what that is!!!! POS! Oh yeah, now I'm mad
My mind is made up, as along as someone that has no scruples about using friendship and beliefe to turn a profit is running this circus, I have no place here. B yes C oh yeh R, not like that at all!
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Adrenaline Revolution
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The waty you're able to twist numbers to support your agenda tells me you must be a San Fransico liberal???
Just a guess.
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Adrenaline Revolution
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^^^^^^^See my above post^^^^^^26% of the total posts are from about 15 people against the changes
20% of the total posts are from Christopher.
that leaves 54% of the total posts coming from the other people (dsp, you are in here, lol)
Yes, I like math and numbers...
Need I say more???
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Christopher,
I may be unique to this forum as I do not snowmobile. However, I am a volunteer member of the Medicine Bow Nordic Ski Patrol and some of our members use this forum to view discussions on riding areas, avalanche conditions etc. and reports on lost/saved parties.
Will you offer a comp or discount to our organization?
Mark
Christopher,
I may be unique to this forum as I do not snowmobile. However, I am a volunteer member of the Medicine Bow Nordic Ski Patrol and some of our members use this forum to view discussions on riding areas, avalanche conditions etc. and reports on lost/saved parties.
Will you offer a comp or discount to our organization?
Mark
ad been stated multiple times, many of the big sights do not make any money and operate at a loss. youtube = loss. facebook = loss.
^^^^^^^See my above post^^^^^^
Need I say more???
yah, like how you interpreted the numbers? Or did you automatically think that since I posted it, it was wrong?
You might want to go take a look and see what was trying to be justified and what the numbers say. You might be surprised. Maybe not, you probably won't take the time anyways..
I'll join. Does that mean I can oppose the dogma of the other side as well?
For example, I'd love to oppose a few of these dogmatic "facts":
- SnoWest can't be paying for the forums, it's all ads, baby.
- SnoWest is run by a bunch of morons
- I know what equipment it takes to run a site and I can do it for cheaper.
- Making people pay will kill the site.
- Nobody wants this change. Non-representative polls tell us that.
- And many other hits we've seen along the way.
I'll even be okay with you opposing my "dogma" that includes:
- You don't know the equipment or usage requirements, so stop pretending you do
- Pay sites are going to become more prevalent
- SnoWest is, in fact, not run by morons
- It's their site, they can do what they want
- Changing to a pay model may cause users to flee
And many more are quite profitable.
Thumpertalk= profit, Ktmtalk=profit, photbucket=profit, (the backcountry snowmobile site that shall not be named) = profit. The list is almost endless.
The question still remains............why is this site losing money when so many similar sites are profitable?????????
I have read through all of this stuff, and tried to sit back and ask myself, "why do I come to snowest.com forums?" #1 reason I come here is to hang and catch up with my friends, from all over North America. #2 reason is there has been good information here, so I can learn. However, lately I find myself mainly hanging in the Utah section. I have found too much BS in other areas lately. Someone asks a simple question and gets blasted by a bunch of people saying his/her question or idea is stupid, my sled is better...blah! blah! blah! Razzing friends is fun, and I take advantage of it whenever I can! But, there is too much disrespect going on in sections where ligitimate answers can be helpful. Snowest has not run off some of the good, knowledgeable peeps, it is dumb azzes who think it is just fun and games to mess up almost every good, informational thread! Maybe they are young and immature, or they just view the internet as fake people and a game....who knows???
All this said, I will gladly pay if it runs off some of the people doing this crap! Most of the best friends I have now came from people I've met through Snowest! People keep bringing back the old days....I agree, they were a blast! Back then, at the end of the day we generally had each others' backs! It doesn't feel that way around here anymore! If some dipchit came on here and started talking smack or ripping on someone (one of our friends), it wasn't tolerated by the majority of "us, the users!" Maybe it became too big? I don't necessarily like or need all the new stuff, but I can turn it off. I will pay and stay, as the fee is insignificant, and I will hope for improvement. If I don't like the changes I will leave! We can blame Snowest and Christopher all we want....be that as it may....some self reflection by the users may also be in order!
Going somewhere else is always an option, and I've even tried it. However, it never seems to work. There are multiple other sites out there, some already come and gone. Most of these new sites seems to end up being about 10 dudes talking to each other. Some of the others do not understand mountain riding. Like it or not, this place has become a habit and meeting place for many of us! Going other places just splits us up.....IMHO!
But, there is too much disrespect going on in sections where ligitimate answers can be helpful. Snowest has not run off some of the good, knowledgeable peeps, it is dumb azzes who think it is just fun and games to mess up almost every good, informational thread! Maybe they are young and immature, or they just view the internet as fake people and a game....who knows???All this said, I will gladly pay if it runs off some of the people doing this crap! Most of the best friends I have now came from people I've met through Snowest! People keep bringing back the old days....I agree, they were a blast! Back then, at the end of the day we generally had each others' backs! It doesn't feel that way around here anymore! If some dipchit came on here and started talking smack or ripping on someone (one of our friends), it wasn't tolerated by the majority of "us, the users!" Maybe it became too big? I don't necessarily like or need all the new stuff, but I can turn it off. I will pay and stay, as the fee is insignificant, and I will hope for improvement. If I don't like the changes I will leave! We can blame Snowest and Christopher all we want....be that as it may....some self reflection by the users may also be in order!
Going somewhere else is always an option, and I've even tried it. However, it never seems to work. There are multiple other sites out there, some already come and gone. Most of these new sites seems to end up being about 10 dudes talking to each other. Some of the others do not understand mountain riding. Like it or not, this place has become a habit and meeting place for many of us! Going other places just splits us up.....IMHO!
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