thanks for sharing that truamatic experiance with everyone, glad to hear you all made it out alive. just took the two day indoor avy coarse in salmon arm this past wed/thur night, "ignorance is bliss i thought," not any more applied knowledge may just save me and my fellow riders in the future. thanks amber woods, should have done this alongtime ago.
REVY AVY! its here already!
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cpatts2000
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glad everyone is alright, thanks for posting your story.
Scary ordeal.
Very glad you all made it out. Please share with us the make of the avy pack.
I know not to expect one to save me for sure, but I do expect it to deploy as designed when activated.
After what you went through I'm sure you must feel the same way.
I don't feel it would be "bashing" in any way to share the make with the members so we could stay informed about the success/failure rates of these devices.
I'm sure they all fail to deploy occasionally, but if one make or type has a higher number of failures than others we will only know by sharing the information with each other.
That could affect someones safety.
Lets protect each other, not the companies that make this stuff.
If they are embarrassed to have it out in the open that their product failed to operate as designed, then maybe they should do something to make it more reliable.
Very glad you all made it out. Please share with us the make of the avy pack.
I know not to expect one to save me for sure, but I do expect it to deploy as designed when activated.
After what you went through I'm sure you must feel the same way.
I don't feel it would be "bashing" in any way to share the make with the members so we could stay informed about the success/failure rates of these devices.
I'm sure they all fail to deploy occasionally, but if one make or type has a higher number of failures than others we will only know by sharing the information with each other.
That could affect someones safety.
Lets protect each other, not the companies that make this stuff.
If they are embarrassed to have it out in the open that their product failed to operate as designed, then maybe they should do something to make it more reliable.
Every year we see this early in the season and it makes us aware of our own mortality. I hope we all learn from these two brave individuals experience, to be able to keep you cool in this circumstance and find your freinds is heroic to say the least!!!! I am curious that the ortovox couldnt distinguish between to burials 50 ft apart ,,I bought the M-2 and v1 so I wouldnt have this problem ,, when you have time could you eleabrate on this issue!!!!!
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any update on the pack used, do we know if its human error in anyway or is there posible a problem with some packs, we know they dont save you but if i invest that kind of money i want to know it is going to inflate when i pull it. just a little conserned many of use are buying packs.
thanks for shareing the experiance with use
god bless everyone and safe sleding
giddyup
any update on the pack used, do we know if its human error in anyway or is there posible a problem with some packs, we know they dont save you but if i invest that kind of money i want to know it is going to inflate when i pull it. just a little conserned many of use are buying packs.
thanks for shareing the experiance with use
god bless everyone and safe sleding
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The bag was and ABS freeride, there was no defect, or failure to pull the handle. It did not fire because the handle had been discharged previously and was not replaced. It was fired when initially purchased and although the canister was replaced, the handle was not. Check you handles, if you see a red collar exposed 1/8" it has been discharged.
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thanks for the information, glad to hear it was a human error problem, that is things that we can change was worried that it might have been a design problem or something, sorry to hear the pack did not go but glad to hear the reason, we all have to check all our gear, i know i will look everything over again
safe riding
giddyup
thanks for the information, glad to hear it was a human error problem, that is things that we can change was worried that it might have been a design problem or something, sorry to hear the pack did not go but glad to hear the reason, we all have to check all our gear, i know i will look everything over again
safe riding
giddyup
Thanks for the info. And again, glad you guys all made it out.
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Thankyou very much from myself and my wife. I am glad that you are here to tell about your experience. Sounds like a good thing the pack didnt work. This reassures me that having all of the equipment is the right choice. As for the recuers what kind of thanks could truley say what is felt. Thankyou for another eye opener that reminds us of the danger we all encounter and how quickly danger can change to a rescue situation
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IMO one the most mandatory items one should have is an avalung, I know now the difference it may have made, thankfully no one needed one, but very apparent how that device could save lives. I have worn one for years.
Moreover, it now becomes obvious that having an airbag is not always a good thing, I will always be watching run out areas now, if airbag deployed, where will it take me? into trees? rocks? over cliffs? there may be times where not deploying the airbag is better choice,(only if you have an avalung). Many studies show that subjects have been able to breathe up to 60 minutes with an avalung. That is incredible.
This is device I thought of, but see now it exists in germany,
http://www.lawinenball.com/English Home.htm
Also, I have be re-reading my favorite book by Bruce Tremper called "staying alive in avalanche terrain". Chapter 10 now hits home very, very hard. It is all about the "human factor", how people behave in groups, how decisions are made, when and how we cross our own lines, how we see what we want to see, false confidence etc. Its all about the human factor more than any other thing. who do you ride with? do the have the good equiptment? do they really know how to use it? or do they have an old SOS unit? Are they in shape? would they fight to save you? how hard?
the lessons learnt for me with this event are insurmountable, I have been riding for 17 years in the backcounty and have never been this close to catastrophe. It is lesson I appreciate to its fullest, it will change many things about how I ride and some of the equipment we will have.
Moreover, it now becomes obvious that having an airbag is not always a good thing, I will always be watching run out areas now, if airbag deployed, where will it take me? into trees? rocks? over cliffs? there may be times where not deploying the airbag is better choice,(only if you have an avalung). Many studies show that subjects have been able to breathe up to 60 minutes with an avalung. That is incredible.
This is device I thought of, but see now it exists in germany,
http://www.lawinenball.com/English Home.htm
Also, I have be re-reading my favorite book by Bruce Tremper called "staying alive in avalanche terrain". Chapter 10 now hits home very, very hard. It is all about the "human factor", how people behave in groups, how decisions are made, when and how we cross our own lines, how we see what we want to see, false confidence etc. Its all about the human factor more than any other thing. who do you ride with? do the have the good equiptment? do they really know how to use it? or do they have an old SOS unit? Are they in shape? would they fight to save you? how hard?
the lessons learnt for me with this event are insurmountable, I have been riding for 17 years in the backcounty and have never been this close to catastrophe. It is lesson I appreciate to its fullest, it will change many things about how I ride and some of the equipment we will have.
Reading the terrain is extremely important. I have tried to keep all of those apects in consideration while riding. The easy way to look at it is, where will the snow go, where should you go if the slope were to break loose. Try to never put yourself in a place where you have no chance to escape if the worst happens. Don't forget that if there are alot of rocks around, the slide will uncover alot more. Terrain traps can turn a 1' thick slab into several times that very quickly. The longer the slope, the more snow that can be involved, etc.
After reading about this near tragedy, we had a pretty long beacon practice session on the hill today. There is always more to learn.
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