Helping the people left behind
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Revy avalanche
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who had the proper tools and obviously knew how to use them. This was much better than the avy by Mara where I think about 2/3 of the people had to sit on the sidelines!!
You are absolutely right. I hope that we can all learn from this. Several reports by the group said they observed several slides that same day, and never heeded the warning. They were "caught up in the moment" and just were not thinking. All they were thinking is that they were invincible.....not my words, my friends words.
This will change how we all ride, how we will evaluate how to help a fellow sledder on the hill if he is stuck. I don't wear an ABS pack, but next year I will be, as I'm sure many others will be. May or may not help, I don't know. I know myself and my friends will forever look at mountains and what we do in a different light.
Not trying to be a computer jockie, just stating what I think based on what happened, all the avy reports, and what was observed and ignored by the people riding.
I've been glued to this site and consumed by this event and talking to friends since this happened, I just feel so bad for all involved, and I wonder what the consequences will be for all of us and snowmibiling in the future, justified or not.
Just such a tragic day.
deepest thoughts and prayers for those who were lost and all those involved. I feel so grateful as i was on my way to turbo but as i was about to arrive at turbo i was forced to turn around due to sled issues. everything seems so surreal.
I just hope that some legal battle does not ensue. bulletins were posted, the time when the slide took place was NOT part of BIS event. turbo climbs were supposed to sunday i beleive. I don;t think there is any organizer to blame. When most of the people showed up in the morning at the drag hill and Ozone dave said what the plan was for the day. He did his due dilligence he said that some of the hills had not slid this year and that everyone should take extra precaution and to please stay at the backside out of the way of the avy path if there was any climbing on the larger hills.
I think as a sledding community we were severly lucky and spared when you consider the size of the avalanche and the amount of people where there. this incident could have been much worse. we need to learn from this cause we may not be so lucky next time
I just hope that some legal battle does not ensue. bulletins were posted, the time when the slide took place was NOT part of BIS event. turbo climbs were supposed to sunday i beleive. I don;t think there is any organizer to blame. When most of the people showed up in the morning at the drag hill and Ozone dave said what the plan was for the day. He did his due dilligence he said that some of the hills had not slid this year and that everyone should take extra precaution and to please stay at the backside out of the way of the avy path if there was any climbing on the larger hills.
I think as a sledding community we were severly lucky and spared when you consider the size of the avalanche and the amount of people where there. this incident could have been much worse. we need to learn from this cause we may not be so lucky next time
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IRONMAN
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This echo's the way I feel!! Great post, glad to see there is still some people who take responsibility for the choices they make and dont look for someone to blame when things go bad!
I agree it has not been a event for years, and Dave is just another guy up there riding. A little loud at times but hey
.Yes exactely you said it! YOU CANT MAKE HIM DRINK!!
We all make our own decisions, there is no one to blame here, everyone knows the risk of back country riding. This was a unfortinuate disaster and everyone knew the risks of being on that hill.
If you want to call them stupid for ignoring the warning signs that is your own opinion.
You mite call me and the other guys I work with idiots too because the statistics say that 1 in 7 lineman will die or be perminately disabled before retirement. But if no one did it you would be sitting in the dark and the cold rite now.
People still work in high rise buildings and fly on planes every day even though terrorist threats are a every day event.
Bottom line we all make our own decisions.
YOU CANT MAKE THEM DRINK!!!
M
misterjj
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Revy Avalanche
I, along with Browning Crew rode with Mike & Shay & their crew on Friday & Saturday. When we rode saturday in the sugar bowl & bull pen the snow was sliding in both areas...so i know that everyone knew that the avalanche danger was high. When we made it over to Turbo, Shay went up & got stuck & then I went up after him & made it to the top, I looped around & parked on the top & asked him if he needed help. He said he needed someone to hold the end of his sled so that he could pull the front of his sled around. He was to the far right & i was to the far left. So I started my sled & pulled closer to him. I jumped off of my sled & started walking down to him. I took about 10 ten steps away from my sled & realized that it would be to hard to climb back up to my sled. So I told him that i was gonna get back on my sled & drive down by him to help him. I started walking back up to my sled & i heard another sled coming. I stop & looked back for the sled...the sled come right behind him & turned to the right of him, & then out & over the top. As the rider reached the top the snow broke. When the snow broke i looked down @ Shay & could tell that he realized that the snow broke and he just kept looking @ it coming down at him...then he was gone. There were 3 or 4 riders sitting at the top of the mountain. One of the riders asked me if my friend was o.k. & i told him no that the avalanche took him. About that time the other rider that went to the right of him & to the top pulled next to the riders...the guy that asked me if my friend was ok asked the other rider why he went over the top of Shay. The rider replied that he didn't know there was a rider there. I believe that the rider was telling the truth when he said that he didn't see him. We all knew that the avalanche danger was high that day & could of accured at any time that day. As went back down the mountain there was total chaos. My hat goes off to everyone there that help rescue people. The people were very well prepared. They had beacons and probes and the knowledge to help in diaster like this one. I didn't know Curtis as well as Shay. But everytime I went to BC I rode with Shay & Mike. All the comments that are posted on here...positive or negative...will not help the families & friends of them feel any better about their loss. I arrived home on Sunday & hugged my wife and kids as I walked in the door & that is when I realized that Shay or Curtis would never be able to do the samething. Words can't decribe the sympathy I have for the families of Shay & Curtis. My heart goes out to them. In the end I feel this was very tragic accident...we all know the risk of riding in the back country...high avalanche danger or not...I don't think anyone is to blame.
Mike Augare
I, along with Browning Crew rode with Mike & Shay & their crew on Friday & Saturday. When we rode saturday in the sugar bowl & bull pen the snow was sliding in both areas...so i know that everyone knew that the avalanche danger was high. When we made it over to Turbo, Shay went up & got stuck & then I went up after him & made it to the top, I looped around & parked on the top & asked him if he needed help. He said he needed someone to hold the end of his sled so that he could pull the front of his sled around. He was to the far right & i was to the far left. So I started my sled & pulled closer to him. I jumped off of my sled & started walking down to him. I took about 10 ten steps away from my sled & realized that it would be to hard to climb back up to my sled. So I told him that i was gonna get back on my sled & drive down by him to help him. I started walking back up to my sled & i heard another sled coming. I stop & looked back for the sled...the sled come right behind him & turned to the right of him, & then out & over the top. As the rider reached the top the snow broke. When the snow broke i looked down @ Shay & could tell that he realized that the snow broke and he just kept looking @ it coming down at him...then he was gone. There were 3 or 4 riders sitting at the top of the mountain. One of the riders asked me if my friend was o.k. & i told him no that the avalanche took him. About that time the other rider that went to the right of him & to the top pulled next to the riders...the guy that asked me if my friend was ok asked the other rider why he went over the top of Shay. The rider replied that he didn't know there was a rider there. I believe that the rider was telling the truth when he said that he didn't see him. We all knew that the avalanche danger was high that day & could of accured at any time that day. As went back down the mountain there was total chaos. My hat goes off to everyone there that help rescue people. The people were very well prepared. They had beacons and probes and the knowledge to help in diaster like this one. I didn't know Curtis as well as Shay. But everytime I went to BC I rode with Shay & Mike. All the comments that are posted on here...positive or negative...will not help the families & friends of them feel any better about their loss. I arrived home on Sunday & hugged my wife and kids as I walked in the door & that is when I realized that Shay or Curtis would never be able to do the samething. Words can't decribe the sympathy I have for the families of Shay & Curtis. My heart goes out to them. In the end I feel this was very tragic accident...we all know the risk of riding in the back country...high avalanche danger or not...I don't think anyone is to blame.
Mike Augare
x2 you cant force anyone to do anything you cant blame ppl for being ppl were all human if the avy wasnt triggered by one guy it would of been triggered by someone else and if it didnt happen then it could of happened another day its wrong place wrong time no one is at fault........my thoughts and prayers go to the families of the lost and i wish everyone a fast recovery
Well stated Mike and thanks for sharing with everyone. It's a day none of us will never forget.
The way i look at it is what happened, happened and everything in life happens for a reason. I think we have all lost loved ones to reasons that were beyond our control and from this we learn things, no one person is responsible for this we all control our own actions and this tragedy i believe will teach everyone, its what you want to make of it and the actions you will take to make sure it doesn't happen to you or anyone in the future. I don't know about others but i want to be able to enjoy the backcountry in this Province for a long time to come. We will see some sort of regulations come into effect this year you can bet on that, but i think its up to the snowmobiling community to take action we are the only ones who can fix this, not Government, not the people that are going to lobby for change (the greens who now have some more fuel to add to the fire) but the snowmobiling community, Play Safe!!! our future depends on it.
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Fact, most of you guy's would ride Turbo & the hills around it tomorrow without any thought for the dead.
RULE #1....If you haver to use your beacon, shovel & probe your doing something very wrong by putting yourself in that situation.
OT
RULE #1....If you haver to use your beacon, shovel & probe your doing something very wrong by putting yourself in that situation.
OT
I've been out with MW several time and risk assesment is done daily. However on extreme days there bombing what there skiing just like they do inbounds.
OT
Very well put Mike!!
This hits very close to home for me as I lost a friend last year in an avalanche who had 2 small kids. I have a family myself and every time I have been out riding since I think about it. Lets keep the negativity out of this thread please. It sure amazes me what people will say online and never in normal life face to face. Two people lost their lives in this horrible event. The people who were there seemed were very prepared and avoided what could have been a much worse outcome. To the family and friends of the fallen two, I am truly sorry to hear about your loss.
Give it a break OT start your own thread or something, have some respect.
Ot,
What is wrong with you?? Why after numerous requests from soo many members on here must you continue to post such foul comments. As stated to you politely many times before we are not here to point fingers and play the what if's game. Why do you feel the need to continuously stir the pot?? I know this is a PUBLIC forum but please have some respect and refrain from posting anymore.
M
Mcx Nytro
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very rare will I post something like this
But U my friend are out to lunch. How can U presume to know what others are thinking?
?? There is not a chance in you know where that ANYONE riding the next little while @ turbo hill will not think of what happened! Just because YOU would not give it a second thought
, do not presume to think that everyone is like you
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high time
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I know I think a little different but,
I try to weigh to odds in everything I do. I don't gamble at casinos but, I do gamble if the odds are good and the winnings are worth it to me.
I quit riding my motorcycle at night here in Northern MN , because it's inevitable that you will hit a deer.
I ride the mountains even in avy danger but, I have found plenty of safer areas.
This is just because I only will push the odds so far. We can't ever be sure.
When you love something as much as we love sledding we are willing to take a higher risk. A non-sledder will not understand. I wish everyone would just respect that the choice is ours. No one to blame. Why is it so important to point the blame at anyone?
Owen
I try to weigh to odds in everything I do. I don't gamble at casinos but, I do gamble if the odds are good and the winnings are worth it to me.
I quit riding my motorcycle at night here in Northern MN , because it's inevitable that you will hit a deer.
I ride the mountains even in avy danger but, I have found plenty of safer areas.
This is just because I only will push the odds so far. We can't ever be sure.
When you love something as much as we love sledding we are willing to take a higher risk. A non-sledder will not understand. I wish everyone would just respect that the choice is ours. No one to blame. Why is it so important to point the blame at anyone?
Owen
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OT,
When people say things that I think are absolutely pointless & stupid (like the refuse you've been posting), my first reaction is to sink to their level & respond in kind. But I've learned that sometimes there is substance in what they say if I look hard enough.
Well my friend, I've looked hard enough & what you are saying is wrong, stupid & insensitive.
Please do everyone a favor & prevent further embarrassment by keeping you thoughts to yourself, at least in this particular thread.
At this point we all know your opinion so further input from you is no longer required.
Thanks,
Bill
When people say things that I think are absolutely pointless & stupid (like the refuse you've been posting), my first reaction is to sink to their level & respond in kind. But I've learned that sometimes there is substance in what they say if I look hard enough.
Well my friend, I've looked hard enough & what you are saying is wrong, stupid & insensitive.
Please do everyone a favor & prevent further embarrassment by keeping you thoughts to yourself, at least in this particular thread.
At this point we all know your opinion so further input from you is no longer required.
Thanks,
Bill
.....and we will drive down hyway #16/yellowhead aka death hyway....some of us will board an airplane to fly to hawaii as it is a yearly event that my wife and her friends book a year in advance (they even took there water wings), even though there has been lots of volcanic activity which in turn are followed by tsunami warnings! etc etc etc
Give it a rest, you made your point!
prayers to all involved
I have a lot of empathy & sadness for those that have passed & those that are left behind, I hope their families can move on with the rest of their lives in a positive manner.
On the other hand I am blown away & disgusted by the amount of denial in our community about what happened here. Very few want to admit the amount of negligence that occurred. It think it's shameful & is a disservice to the dead AND more important to those that have survived that people want to dent the reality which is... AN OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT OF RULES WERE BROKEN HERE. By the riders, by the spectators, but the guy who cut above another rider and on & on... All I see here is poor decision making that needs to be curbed, and if we as a community keep saying that this was "an act of god" or that nobody is at fault, then we look like the morons that the rest of the world thinks we are right now.
I've spent my last couple days fighting this perception on another site, the constant assumption that we're all stupid 2 stroke fueled lackeys seems to be relatively common amongst other bc travelers. Things like this don't help & if people don't start owning up to how we need to CHANGE instead of all the coombayaa bullsh** we'll keep dying, they'll keep being right & the gov't will just have better fuel to regulate us out of the backcountry.
Flame away, I'm the bad guy here.
On the other hand I am blown away & disgusted by the amount of denial in our community about what happened here. Very few want to admit the amount of negligence that occurred. It think it's shameful & is a disservice to the dead AND more important to those that have survived that people want to dent the reality which is... AN OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT OF RULES WERE BROKEN HERE. By the riders, by the spectators, but the guy who cut above another rider and on & on... All I see here is poor decision making that needs to be curbed, and if we as a community keep saying that this was "an act of god" or that nobody is at fault, then we look like the morons that the rest of the world thinks we are right now.
I've spent my last couple days fighting this perception on another site, the constant assumption that we're all stupid 2 stroke fueled lackeys seems to be relatively common amongst other bc travelers. Things like this don't help & if people don't start owning up to how we need to CHANGE instead of all the coombayaa bullsh** we'll keep dying, they'll keep being right & the gov't will just have better fuel to regulate us out of the backcountry.
Flame away, I'm the bad guy here.
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