Revy avalanche

[OT Bar & Grill]

Does anyone even care what the avy reports say ? Obviously Not, and this is why these types of tragedy's occure.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

OT

 

[jsandgren10]

The only guy to blame are the organizers of the event and no one else.

Lets all pretend that this is OK. And everyone in the media or who was not there doesn't have a clue and there just bashing the sport.......Some of you fawking people need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop trying to sugar coat this tragedy while looking an excuse.

Ot

There is really no one to blame here. If you rely solely on the "event coordinator" of an unsanctioned event to determine whether or not the weather or terrain is "safe" enough for you to be there, then it is your fault you put your life's trust on that coordinator.

Since the extreme danger warnings of avalanches was so known it is up to you as a person to assess whether or not to take the risk to continue on. Even if the event was cancelled I guarantee you 80% of the same people would have still gone out to the hill because they already made the drive and would have rode anyways.

And you wanting to place blame on someone over accepting the fact that it was a tragic accident, is pretty sad. To me placing blame on this tragedy is like saying my friend organized an event for us to fly out of state for some "event" but there is bad weather and we decide to go anyways and the plane goes down due to the bad weather. Do I place blame on that friend because he ultimately organized the trip and event???? Do I blame the pilot?? Do I blame mother nature?? There is no one to blame because it was my responsibility to take the risk not my friends, not the pilots, not anyone.

You should not be pointing fingers and should be caring about the families and friends that lost their loved ones, friends, family in this tragedy. Because if something happened to one of your family members or friends in an accident I am sure you would want those people to keep yours in their prayers.

My heart goes out to those that were lost, and pray that you guys will get through this tragedy.

 

[moto.racerx]

Does anyone even care what the avy reports say ? Obviously Not, and this is why these types of tragedy's occure.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

OT

or go to school... get an education... and learn to spell.

Is that what you want... down at your level?

 

[BigFish BC]

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses LMAO

wow i had little respect for you befor but now i have none your post show no respect for the people involved give people some time befor you start your idiotic rants

 

[OT Bar & Grill]

Did anyone take a head count of how many avy bag were floating atop the snow ? LMAO, and you guy's think you have knowledge of how to use the backcountry.

OT

 

[OT Bar & Grill]

wow i had little respect for you befor but now i have none your post show no respect for the people involved give people some time befor you start your idiotic rants

I have no respect for people who don't respect the warning signs

OT

 

[HighMark Adventures]

Your wrong because 'A' this is a UNORGANIZED EVENT NOW. Has been for couple years now. So really its not even an event. Lots of people like to ride on the second weekend of march.

And 'B' we arnt little kids, does someone follow you around telling you what you can and cannot do. and telling you what dangerous and whats not, and what risks to take and not to.

NOOOOO!!! Everyone makes the own desicions and every person on that mountain made the desicion to RIDE!

Noone here has sugar coated anything OT.

Sorry can`t take it anymore. Ya it for sure is an unorganized event, you got that straight. But like you say lets not sugar coat it. People did not just show up this weekend and go oh hey look , it looks like some kind of outlaw snowmobile event is going on , what luck who new lets go and check it out.

We all know it is an unorganized **** show but if you are not a regular to Revy and just go off what you see on the forums even right here on snowest. Who started the UFC/BIS thread advertising this event. Who made up posters, shirts, jerseys, trophies, nick naks etc. If you did not know any better it sure as hell comes off as an organized event .A lot of promoting went on to what you call an "hey people just showed up to ride this weekend"

Dave put the word out there for people to come see this event. Inexperienced mtn riders came to see the show because of his promoting.

With that comes some responsibility, you just can`t promote something the way he did and then not attempt to organize the masses that did show up. Unorganized or not, on Friday did he at least go into the areas to assess if things would be safe. Did he make any attempt to direct people again who were only there because he said to come see some of the best riders in the world go head to head etc etc.

Don`t get me wrong here, a lot of poor decisions were made by a lot people and Dave was one of them.

Flame me all you want but in the end he hmmmm encouraged a lot of people to come to Revy who were new and not familiar to the area and instead of directing/ informing them , he left them to fend for themselves on one of the most dangerous weekends in our beloved back country.

Again flame me all you want but you have your opinion and I have mine.

But we can all agree on one thing though, the press is tearing us apart and the radio has already said the tourism BC, and the solicitor general will have new back country rules in effect by 2011


And I have said a lot of prayers for all family's involved. It truly is a sad occasion.

 

[teamti]

OT Bar & grill - your message is being clouded in your delivery. You've made some good points. Your delivery is really lacking. No one's going to hear what you have to say the way you're going on. Is that what you really want?

 

[summitboy]

OT, you just don't get it do you ! Your not doing ANYTHING to help this situation, nothing, zero, zilch. You are preaching to the choir ! Out of the 1000 people that usually come to BIS only 200 or so were here. Can your little brain equate what that means ? I didn't think so !

P.S. Your sled still making boost at idle ?

 

[pthfndr]

I think this thread needs to be closed it is not helping anyone with the bashing going back and forth!

 

[sandorsnow]

If the organizers were not there to police there event, that puts the organizers even deeper in the hole.

OT

ot you're a real piece of work. Freakin keyboard jockey!! From your posts it sounds like you've got an ax to grind. The more you post on this thread, the more obvious it becomes.

In one of your earlier posts you stated that this incident makes you want to retire from this sport, well I will gladly support you in that decision. Pi$$ off. Our sport doesn't need backstabing fingerpointing douchebags like you, ready to throw somebody under the bus at the drop of a hat.
It's always somebody else's fault right?

Wrong place and wrong time for your type of comments.

Truely truely amazing more lives weren't taken, words can't describe it.

To all those responders, well done, you make me proud to be a snowmobiler. We as a community have come a long way over the years on being prepared and carrying the proper equipment.

To all the survivors, good luck in your recovery, you're not alone.

To the deceased, SLED IN PEACE

 

[sledlvr]

I have no respect for people who don't respect the warning signs

OT

Every time there's a tragedy in the sledding community, OT climbs out from under the rock he lives under, and onto his soapbox !!!!

 

[tar]

First , I too lost a dear friend to an avalanche in a mountainclimbing accident in which i had to watch my great friend not 20ft from me fall 4000 feet to her death.With all my hours of avalanche training and endless readings and over 20 years of experience in the back country i still got caught in an avalanche
Placing blame on anyone or anything does no good because the people involved will already have enough of that going on in thier own heads, i know i did after my accident,and i feel the utmost of empathy for all involved.
What is more important is what we can learn from this incident and how can things like this be prevented in the future

1.where you stop on a snowmachine can mean the difference between life and death. try avoiding stopping below large exposed shoots or hills anywhere around 37 degrees(most common slide angle although any slope has the potential to slide). Look to trees for possible protection or higher up on noles.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE

2. try to limit the amount of machines climbing a chute or mountain to one at a time THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE

3.When avalanche danger is high make a hard judgement call to one not go out or two stay on the low angled flats no matter the date or the deepness of the powder. the mountains will still be there to hit another day .you will not if you make the wrong judgement call.THIS COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE

4.Avalanche beacons and training work ,the people involved were truly prepared with beacons and how to use them. Educate yourself in avalache dangers and how to use and have a beacon .THIS COULD SAVE YOUR BUDDIES LIFE.

5.Remember when you are in the mountains there is a bullseye constantly focused on you following you around waiting to be triggerd. No matter how much fun you are having keep this in the back of your mind it could save your life.

6.Snowmachining is not to blame. Take any information you can learn from this incident and use it out in the mountiains to charge even bigger mountains, higger cliffs and deeper powder than you have ever ridden before, and when you do remember the ones that are not with us now, but passed doing what they enjoyed the most.

Well said,most people don't think about this when they are out riding.
I was one, till I lost a dear friend in an avalche, that event changed the way I ride.

Be safe,but keep riding.
Tar

 

[Lank]

I just read where the largest avalanche in Canadian (?) history occured in the same area in March of 1910. 58 lives were lost on that day. Does anybody know if this is the same slide as that one of 1910?

I ache for the families of the victims and pity the lives of the bashers.

 

[CatWoman]

I don't feel this is the thread to be bickering in. I'd ask that this thread remain respectful to all. That is NOT happening right now.

Back on track........Please!

 

[trevor_zr600]

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Excuses, Excuses, Excuses LMAO

i have been following this thread from the beginning and i deeply feel for anyone that was caught up in this avalanche .

two men have lost their lives and a ton of people hurt and you know what they knew there were signs of avalanches and its a risk they all took which is fine you take risks everday even crossing the street. i do believe you are out of likne O.T. and should leave this thread .

family members of which the two men who lost their lives i would imagine have seen these posts that you have put up and im sure they are not impresses all you are doing is stirring the pot in here,i believe he should be banned from this thread.

for the men who lost their live i do not know them i have never met them nor have i met anyone from this site but i know for a fact that everyone on here sticks together and no one should be to blame, if you were to cross the street tomorrow and get hit by a car you would blame the guy that designed the street i bet .

what im saying is that what is done is done loved ones lost,battered and bruised but tomorrow will be a new day and i hope you are gone from this thread so people that show true love for snowmobiling, good friends ,and the outdoors can continue to contribute what they have been through

my condolences to the two familys that lost great husbands and fathers and anyone that is still feeling the aftermath of the revy avalanche get well soon ..

thank you from one of your manitoba neighbors see you next year possibly



Trevor

 

[teamti]

I don't feel this is the thread to be bickering in. I'd ask that this thread remain respectful to all. That is NOT happening right now.

Back on track........Please!

In an attempt to get this on track let me repost something from snowandmud

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I use a sled to access terrain for skiing. Just posting factual background links from professional sources to keep them in one spot

CAC general avalanche conditions report - note it covers a big area

http://www.avalanche.ca/uploads/SPAW/SPAW 2010-03-11.pdf

BC’s southern interior is forecast to receive its first real snow storm in almost eight
weeks. The avalanche danger will be caused by storm snow overloading weak layers in
the upper snowpack,

Pictures of avalanches in March 2010. Note these pictures were before the snowfall in early March. Note the avalanches are on all aspects (Turbo Mtn is a NE aspect)

February - March 2010 : Avalanche Image Galleries : Library : Canadian Avalanche Centre : avalanche.ca

Pictures of Turbo Mountain from bcrmp.ca site. There's a notice there for anyone who was at the site

Avalanche rescue recovery effort continuing at Boulder Mtn

This is the description of the slide from the CAC bulletin.

Special Message
Boulder Mountain Avalanche Incident Revelstoke B.C. Saturday March 13, 2010 3pm. Slab, size 2.5 – 3, incline: “steep,” NE aspect, low Alpine feature (~2300m), main section that affected the people involved ~300m wide, significantly more fracture line wraps around shoulder, perhaps another 300m, linear run about 700m including running over a bench at about 2000m then down a steep slope below to edge of mature timber. Depth of debris up to 3m. Two fatalities, 19 hospitalized (1 critical, 3 serious). Tens of sleds destroyed or seriously damaged. Rescue winding down. Miracle that no more people were killed or injured."

 

[Wired1]

If the organizers were not there to police there event, that puts the organizers even deeper in the hole.

OT

OT: With all due respect, you are out of line. First, a tragedy like this is not a time to preach, it's a time to reflect.

Second, mother nature and the nature of mountains and snow is to blame, not the organizers.

A little story for you: My brother is an experienced climber who doess search and rescue in his spare time. He volunteers what little spare time he has (engineer, married, father of two active young gals) to educate snowmobilers and others on avalanches. He knows his stuff. He and 6 buddies were ice climbing at Banmf (sp). All were experienced ice climbers and most did S&R.
They studied the ice falls and the weather before dividing into 2 groups. My brother, thank God, was in the group of 4. The group of 3 never returned. There was an unpredicted temperature inversion and 3 talented, experienced climbers lost their lives.

Was it their fault or anyone else's????

My thoughts and prayers go out to all. Now, quit the bickering and provide support for those hurt by this.

 

[Cheekster]

Like I stated in a previous post, the slide was bound to happen, but it would have been better if no one was on the hill when whoever triggered it.

SORRY dude. I know you only in text . . . .



IF it was "bound to happen"

and even the computer JOCKIES KNEW IT

WE need to ask Y at what COST . .


The backlash of this day, will hurt ALL of US . . . .

The conditions SHOULD have be OBSERVED . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . .

 

[The Bob]

Ok, I have read your comments OT and don't get it? The events for the BIS where done for the day. Done. No helicopters where there for the filming of BIS. No one that supposedly organized it was there at Turbo Hill. So OT if you go to a local sporting event, and on the way home are hit by another person that was at that same event and injured is it that sporting events organizers fault? The people that where there, where there on there own. Would you stop, you have been playing your crappy song since the 3 or 4th page of this thread. SO PLEASE OT STOP THE NEGATIVITY..

Just realize that this was a tragic loss that was handle great after the fact. Yes maybe it could have been better if people didn't go out there. I am not sure how I feal about the people that had little kids out there during HIGH avalanche probability, but I am not there parents. To all that where there and helped THANK YOU. To all that SURVIVED I hope you heal physically and mentally and quickly. You are all hero's.