yep, that is all that is at stake. Anyone that thinks otherwise is basing their assumptions on feelings and a misplaced sense of right and wrong.
Pot Legal in your State???
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what is your basis for this statement. the same thing you leveled above...feelings! works both ways ruffy!
on a strictly monetary basis as well as eradicating the lie that their is a war on drugs...i agree legalize it. i thought i was making a greater point in my OP but maybe i am deluded.
its not as simple as legalizing weed and everybody lives happily ever after...problem solved. there will be consequences that effect the culture in a detrimental manner. although this is just a symptom of a systemic problem that's been around for quite some time.
like what?
refer back to my OP.
Ok, how about specific ramifications? Like having society be a bunch of stoners? That isn't going to happen. IMO, a lot of jobs already drug test. I don't see that stopping at all.
I also don't see all of society smoking the stuff, just like all of society isn't alcoholics, and isn't smoking cigarettes all the time.
Is this what you were talking about?
I also don't see all of society smoking the stuff, just like all of society isn't alcoholics, and isn't smoking cigarettes all the time.
Is this what you were talking about?
all of society nope. i agree. but a slow degradation of more than just smoking pot...other things accompany it. dont get me wrong im not a moralist. i just see the increasing prevalence of weed being a symptom of a systemic problem in our culture.
do you think crime would go up or down if it was nationally legalized?
i guess one could make the argument for the poppy plant no? where is the line drawn? or will aspersions be cast upon that as not comparing apples to apples? i see no difference, as well as no basis to refute someone that would want to produce poppy plants. how about you?
do you think crime would go up or down if it was nationally legalized?
i guess one could make the argument for the poppy plant no? where is the line drawn? or will aspersions be cast upon that as not comparing apples to apples? i see no difference, as well as no basis to refute someone that would want to produce poppy plants. how about you?
no not all people are alcoholics but the vast majority drink to get drunk correct. drunk people cause untold social sczhims(sp?) and this is irrefutable.
So I ask again, what specifically do you think are the ramifications? You talk in generalities... I think some of your assumptions are based on an supposed increase in user base with the legality of it. IMO, legality doesn't have much to do about if you smoke marijuana.
the ramifications are yet to be truly realized. like i said give it a generation and we will know. once legalized there will most assuredly be an increase in users...no more barriers. but i will say this, in respect to ramifications, with the prolific increase in pot smokers comes an increase in licentious and self destructive behavior. which has consequences directly connected to culture/society. understand this please...im not saying that the moment it is legalized society will become a free for all. no, imo, it already is in particularly bad shape. so basically legalization is one more step in the degradation of america as a virtuous society. pretty much there already. a virtuous people will be a free people..no virtues and you are a slave to something or someone or both!
you will have to forgive me as the collocation of my words may seem scattered. its hard to put thoughts in my head into typed words that form a coherent flow.
so let me ask you...what do you think my stance on legalization is?
you will have to forgive me as the collocation of my words may seem scattered. its hard to put thoughts in my head into typed words that form a coherent flow.
so let me ask you...what do you think my stance on legalization is?
prolific increase? Based on what? Do you really think the only thing holding back US citizens from smoking weed is the legality of it? Do you think the amount of people that drank alcohol changed a lot when it was legal, then illegal, then legal again?
I beg to differ.
Again, no specifics.... As to your standpoint? I would say no, you are against it.
i beg to differ as well. this would occur over time. consider how pot was viewed 30yrs ago to the present. it used to be looked at as something that only the DRUGIES and HOODS did. now it is much more accepted as well as many more who smoke it. hence the slide to ever increasing licentiousness.
as to specifics...what are you looking for? actual numbers? our culture testifies to what im saying. the evidence is clear i would think?
regarding my standpoint...strictly speaking legal or illegal...i dont care! i believe making such things as drugs illegal is the wrong approach. like i said there is a systemic problem inherent in man that a law only magnifies! its really hard because every healthy civilization has to have some sort of laws in place as a deterrent to criminal behavior. its a fine line as i do not believe that a government can legislate morality.
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skidoorulz
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It was voted to be legal in Mont. for medicinal purposes only. Billings has issued 70 licenes to date for dispenseies of this product. The way I have it figured if it really is such a good drug for certain things and it has to be prscibed by a Doctor then it also should have to be dispensed by a Pharmacist. You do not see any legitament Pharmacies applying for a license to sell this. Also it has been on the news alot locally and the people that are pushing this as a legitament drug look like they have not realized that there have been 3 other decades since the 60's and 70's. I am also inclined to beleive that the reason this drug masks pain is because the user is stoned. Heck when I was drinking there was lots of times that I felt no pain.
I think the most benefit for MJ as a drug is with people that have cancer. For those that undergo chemotherapy, the need to intake food is very important, and chemo destroys a lot of that need. MJ helps by restoring cravings for food, yes, getting the munchies is actually a good benefit.
It is also beneficial for people with glaucoma.
As to taking away pain from being stoned... isn't that a redundant statement? Like taking hydrocodine reducing pain because you are "high" on hydrocoding. "high" = under the effects of the drug. Like being "high" on caffeine with your morning coffee.
As to the pharmacy issue. I don't know. I do know that there is a substantial fight against natural remedies for illnesses. It is something that most Americans are either not aware of or just don't care. I don't know why this is? We view something that is grown on the earth (that god made and put here) as being inferior to a chemical that we created and made up, and most times they are based off of natural remedies anyways.
It is also beneficial for people with glaucoma.
As to taking away pain from being stoned... isn't that a redundant statement? Like taking hydrocodine reducing pain because you are "high" on hydrocoding. "high" = under the effects of the drug. Like being "high" on caffeine with your morning coffee.
As to the pharmacy issue. I don't know. I do know that there is a substantial fight against natural remedies for illnesses. It is something that most Americans are either not aware of or just don't care. I don't know why this is? We view something that is grown on the earth (that god made and put here) as being inferior to a chemical that we created and made up, and most times they are based off of natural remedies anyways.
Who said 75%?75% of people smoke weed?Maybe 75% of your friends do, not a person I know does..
My home state recently legalized it for medicinal purposes but the state I reside in currently, thinks it's evil! 
do you think crime would go up or down if it was nationally legalized?
YES i do.. It will take away from all the "Drug Dealers" you will be able to get a card and go and buy the MJ off a shelf.
there is huge crime and stealing to get the money and or the drugs.. and if we can stop the Black market.. then we grow are Taxes and Money Flow
maybe then we can have Smooth roads and better national Forests.. left alone In cali 1,000's of people are growing in national Forests cause they don't have land. So they walk miles in to the woods. and set up camp and live there over the summer tending to the plants and Make Millions when they are Done..
YES i do.. It will take away from all the "Drug Dealers" you will be able to get a card and go and buy the MJ off a shelf.
there is huge crime and stealing to get the money and or the drugs.. and if we can stop the Black market.. then we grow are Taxes and Money Flow
maybe then we can have Smooth roads and better national Forests.. left alone In cali 1,000's of people are growing in national Forests cause they don't have land. So they walk miles in to the woods. and set up camp and live there over the summer tending to the plants and Make Millions when they are Done..
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sledheadjake
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The crime rate would definetly go down if it was legalized.I personally dont smoke just because when i have in the past I am pretty retarded to put it midly when high.But it seems like everyone and their dog either is a regular smoker or has at least tried it or would still like to smoke but cant because of drug testing for work.i find it redicilous that it is still illegal like has been said earlier is that there is alot of money that could be made in taxes if it was legalized, I vey much doubt that if legalized that the amount of users will sky rocket it might seem like there are alot more users after legalization just because people wont be hiding it anymore.What I find funny is all the people that think just because it is illegal that it must be bad, but if it is legal it all good.I mean how many of those same people speed or jay walk not fully stop at stop signs, litter, use precriptions that are out of date,or give a friend a precription pill for pain?
