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Pot Legal in your State???

NapaMatt

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Well i wanted to start a thread.. That would get a lot of peoples attention this normally does..


So what state are you in and do you Smoke??


The ? is How do we get rid of all the Gangs and Crime..


Make it Legal and Tax the h*ll Out of it!

Make it like Booze Only people Over the Age of 21 Can have Access to it. Also can not have a Open Bottle in the Car.. So you can't Carry Pot in the Car.. Only in the Trunk from place to Place..


Well there is More Deaths from Alochol then Pot! Period!

Fact: You can NOT OVER DOSE on Pot..

Fact: No One Person Has DIED From POT! Smoking too much.. (Bing Drinking)



So i would like to hear what people think..


It is a seed god gave us..

Also Hemp Could be the Next BILLION Dollar Crop..

We could use the pulp from the stalks to make Paper.. and NOT Pollute. Like we see every day Loggers Doing..


My .02 Thanks
 
You are correct no one has ever died initially from just smoking pot. Weather its smoking or eating it, in which case you would have to eat 1/3 your body weight in the span of 15 minutes to kill you. That doesnt mean its some super safe way to get messed up. Sure you wont die from smoking it right off but its much worse for you that cigarettes are.

http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/articledetail.cfm?id=374

1. Can smoking marijuana harm or even kill me? Marijuana is not usually toxic enough to kill you, but if you mix this drug with other drugs or do something that requires brain skills and coordination (like driving a car), then yes, smoking "pot" can kill you. Marijuana affects nerve cells in the part of the brain where memories are formed, so someone who has smoked marijuana may have difficulty studying, remembering recent events, and handling complex tasks. This is why teenagers who get high and drive are involved in auto accidents.

12. What are some of the harmful effects of smoking marijuana? The use of marijuana will impair or reduce short-term memory and comprehension, alter sense of time, and reduce ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination, such as driving a car. Research also shows that people do not retain knowledge when they are "high." Cognition can be altered, making the acquisition of new information difficult. Marijuana can also produce paranoia and psychosis. Because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and then hold it in their lungs as long as possible, marijuana is damaging to the lungs and pulmonary system. Marijuana smoke contains more cancer-causing agents than tobacco smoke. Long-term users of marijuana can develop psychological dependence and require more of the drug to get the same effect. The drug then can become the center of their lives.

2. What are the long term effects of smoking marijuana? Studies have shown that someone who smokes five joints may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes. Also, heavy doses of marijuana may delay the onset of puberty in young men and disrupt the normal monthly menstrual cycle in young women.
 
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1. Can smoking marijuana harm or even kill me? Marijuana is not usually toxic enough to kill you, but if you mix this drug with other drugs or do something that requires brain skills and coordination (like driving a car), then yes, smoking "pot" can kill you. Marijuana affects nerve cells in the part of the brain where memories are formed, so someone who has smoked marijuana may have difficulty studying, remembering recent events, and handling complex tasks. This is why teenagers who get high and drive are involved in auto accidents.
and this is why Alcohol is the LEADING killer of our youth. Be careful with your arguments along this line.
1) No one is advocating that it be legal for teens
2) If your arguments are applicable to alcohol, then you should be for banning alcohol as well, or you are being a hypocrite.

12. What are some of the harmful effects of smoking marijuana? The use of marijuana will impair or reduce short-term memory and comprehension, alter sense of time, and reduce ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination, such as driving a car. Research also shows that people do not retain knowledge when they are "high." Cognition can be altered, making the acquisition of new information difficult. Marijuana can also produce paranoia and psychosis. Because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and then hold it in their lungs as long as possible, marijuana is damaging to the lungs and pulmonary system. Marijuana smoke contains more cancer-causing agents than tobacco smoke. Long-term users of marijuana can develop psychological dependence and require more of the drug to get the same effect. The drug then can become the center of their lives.
This is also applicable to alcohol and prescription drugs when abused.

2. What are the long term effects of smoking marijuana? Studies have shown that someone who smokes five joints may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes.
I have known many people that smoked a pack a day of cigarettes, but I have never known ANYONE that is able or even wants to smoke 5 joints a day. How about comparing 1 joint to a full pack of smokes? Or based on this comparison, shouldn't cigarettes be banned as well? What is the conclusion that you are trying to make with this statement?
Also, heavy doses of marijuana may delay the onset of puberty in young men and disrupt the normal monthly menstrual cycle in young women.
again no one is advocating the use for teenagers / children. This is not the issue / topic here.

One thing that bothers me about a lot of your arguments ist that you seem to think that legalizing is advocating usage among teenagers. This is not the case. This will have little effect on the availability of the drug to teens as well. When I was in high school, it was harder to get cigarettes and alcohol then it was to get grass. Seriously. Is that messed up? Yah, but that is the way it was for me and many of the people I knew in different schools.
Also, the comparisons with cigarettes is only accurate for the VERY VERY heavy marijuana toker. The average users maybe smokes 1 joint a week at the most? and he better be sharing .. ha ha. So this comparison doesn't work very well.
Thirdly, a comparison should be made to Alcohol, as alcohol is the NUMBER 1 killer of our YOUTH. Yet, this substance is legal. Does that make any sense to you?

IMO, it all should be legal. EVERYTHING. The drugs aren't the problem, it is the people. If we spent as much money on rehab as we do on trying to fight the drug system, I think it would be a much different world. Don't get me started on prescription drug usage...
 
It recently became legal in our state for medicinal purposes. It was weird seeing a place opened up next to my Doctor's office (no affiliation) in our small town (somehow I missed that this had been passed into law). I believe there are a couple more of them here, plus several more in another town not far off.

I recently saw a good documentary about this as I was curious to the arguments I've been hearing tossed around about it. It can be rented from Netflix or you can do the instant watch if you have an account there. The movie is called: The Union: The Business Behind Getting High

Filmmaker Adam Scorgie explores the illegal marijuana industry in British Columbia, revealing how the international business is most likely more profitable than it would be if it was lawful in this enlightening documentary. Marijuana growers, law enforcement officials, physicians, politicians, criminologists, economists and celebrities -- including comedian Tommy Chong -- shed light on this topical subject in a series of compelling interviews.

I am in no way advocating one way or the other.
 
and this is why Alcohol is the LEADING killer of our youth. Be careful with your arguments along this line.
1) No one is advocating that it be legal for teens
2) If your arguments are applicable to alcohol, then you should be for banning alcohol as well, or you are being a hypocrite.

This is also applicable to alcohol and prescription drugs when abused.

I have known many people that smoked a pack a day of cigarettes, but I have never known ANYONE that is able or even wants to smoke 5 joints a day. How about comparing 1 joint to a full pack of smokes? Or based on this comparison, shouldn't cigarettes be banned as well? What is the conclusion that you are trying to make with this statement?
again no one is advocating the use for teenagers / children. This is not the issue / topic here.

One thing that bothers me about a lot of your arguments ist that you seem to think that legalizing is advocating usage among teenagers. This is not the case. This will have little effect on the availability of the drug to teens as well. When I was in high school, it was harder to get cigarettes and alcohol then it was to get grass. Seriously. Is that messed up? Yah, but that is the way it was for me and many of the people I knew in different schools.
Also, the comparisons with cigarettes is only accurate for the VERY VERY heavy marijuana toker. The average users maybe smokes 1 joint a week at the most? and he better be sharing .. ha ha. So this comparison doesn't work very well.
Thirdly, a comparison should be made to Alcohol, as alcohol is the NUMBER 1 killer of our YOUTH. Yet, this substance is legal. Does that make any sense to you?

IMO, it all should be legal. EVERYTHING. The drugs aren't the problem, it is the people. If we spent as much money on rehab as we do on trying to fight the drug system, I think it would be a much different world. Don't get me started on prescription drug usage...

First off I am going to state this before I even type the rest of what I am going to say....

A lot of your post seems to just be aimed as an attack at me or to be looking to start some sort of argument. You really dont know me, but thanks for assuming you do! If that's that case, I have no problem assuming some things about you.

Second;

I have never had, nor wanted to have anything to do with drugs. If other people want to do them.. well that's their business. However I have been around people that do drugs so I know a little bit about them. I also have to say that based on your post you cant know too much about drugs or drug usage.

I realize that the link was one with teen prevention in mind, but the content would be no different if the age of the person changed to 35. The message in the material is still the same. It tells the facts like they are. Marijuana is worse for you than cigarettes. Alcohol is debateable I will give you that.

Making and argument along this line also doesn't make me a hypocrite at all. This does not apply for Alcohol, because that isnt illegal to possess or consume alcohol once your of age. UNLESS your in operation of a motor vehicle or in one with an open container. Regardless if the effects of alcohol are better, worse or the same as marijuana... Marijuana is illegal period. That is Illegal to consume, posses, transport, grow, hell even the paraphernalia is illegal to have. The law is the law weather you agree with it or not. Until that changes its the way it is. As of right now drinking isn't illegal... Again I am not saying that makes it better for you... However the difference is there are not laws right now prohibiting it. I didn't write the laws im just going by what they say, and that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

As for your cigarette to joint comparison are you kidding? "The average user smokes one joint a week at most" That is grossly inaccurate. There are kids in grade school that smoke more weed than that in a week. Teens and Adults that smoke regularly sure smoke a lot more than 1 joint a week. Marijuana is just like beer you build a tolerance to it over time and end up smoking more and more to get the same effects from it. So the longer you smoke the more you smoke.

From both school and work, I have known and seen people that smoke. They sure smoke a lot more than 5 joints a day. Hell I know people that smoke full Quarters in a couple days, quite regularly. If you dont know what a quarter is all I will say is that its more than 5 joints. This isn't just a few people either.

Your last paragraph... Well, first you say that I think that legalizing weed would advocate use among teenagers. If you cant see that it would increase drug usage among teenagers then I dont think you fully realize how much teenagers drink and smoke in high school as it is. Then you go on to state how easy it was for you to get weed at school even though it was illegal. Enlighten me... Precisely what will happen once it is legalized? Do you really think usage wont shoot up, and the problem wont get worse? Why wouldnt it? its not illegal so now you get several people trying it that didn't do it before just because it was illegal.

Did you ever once think of what this would do for the inner city kids that have a hard enough time staying in school now as it is, and not selling drugs even though its illegal??? Legalize it and see what happens.

Also do you really want to make the argument that paying for rehab is the answer over paying for law enforcement of drug laws? I dont see how that's plausible or even reasonable but to each their own. By your mentality I guess its just let the people do whatever they want, dont worry society will pick up the pieces if and when your already addicted.
 
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First off I am going to state this before I even type the rest of what I am going to say....

A lot of your post seems to just be aimed as an attack at me or to be looking to start some sort of argument. You really dont know me, but thanks for assuming you do! If that's that case, I have no problem assuming some things about you.
NOT attacking you, just your argument. No offense meant...

I realize that the link was one with teen prevention in mind, but the content would be no different if the age of the person changed to 35. The message in the material is still the same. It tells the facts like they are. Marijuana is worse for you than cigarettes.
So is milk if you have too much of it. I was disagreeing with the amounts in the comparison as I think that is complete bs. I have known some fiends and heavy users in my life, and they NEVER did that much. Didn't stop them from being complete retards though.


Alcohol is debateable I will give you that.

Making and argument along this line also doesn't make me a hypocrite at all. This does not apply for Alcohol, because that isnt illegal to possess or consume alcohol once your of age.
So because it is legal and more teens die from it then ANYTHING else it is ok? Why do you just brush this point aside? Shouldn't this be more important? The #1 killer of teens?

Marijuana is illegal period. That is Illegal to consume, posses, transport, grow, hell even the paraphernalia is illegal to have. The law is the law weather you agree with it or not. Until that changes its the way it is.
What does legality have to do with the health effects of marijuana? Would you be making the same argument if you were alive during the prohibition time period? Would your thoughts about alcohol change as the government dictates what is good and bad?


As for your cigarette to joint comparison are you kidding? "The average user smokes one joint a week at most" That is grossly inaccurate. There are kids in grade school that smoke more weed than that in a week. Teens and Adults that smoke regularly sure smoke a lot more than 1 joint a week. Marijuana is just like beer you build a tolerance to it over time and end up smoking more and more to get the same effects from it. So the longer you smoke the more you smoke.
Are you saying the average user is a grade school kid? Or the average user is a heavy regular user? I am saying that is not. I guess you are?

From both school and work, I have known and seen people that smoke. They sure smoke a lot more than 5 joints a day. Hell I know people that smoke full Quarters in a couple days, quite regularly. If you dont know what a quarter is all I will say is that its more than 5 joints. This isn't just a few people either.
Depends upon the size of the joints.. lol. Again, are you using these examples of people as average users?

Your last paragraph... Well, first you say that I think that legalizing weed would advocate use among teenagers. If you cant see that it would increase drug usage among teenagers then I dont think you fully realize how much teenagers drink and smoke in high school as it is.
They drink and smoke tons!!! What does it mean that alcohol is the number one cause of death for teens, and yet it is not legal for them to use, yet marijuana is illegal for everyone to use and yet it is not in the top 5 reasons for teen deaths. What does that comparison mean for you?

Then you go on to state how easy it was for you to get weed at school even though it was illegal. Enlighten me... Precisely what will happen once it is legalized? Do you really think usage wont shoot up, and the problem wont get worse? Why wouldnt it? its not illegal so now you get several people trying it that didn't do it before just because it was illegal.
Are you talking teen usage? I think teen usage would stay the same. Can you explain why it seems to be easier to get an illegal drug then alcohol for teenagers?

Did you ever once think of what this would do for the inner city kids that have a hard enough time staying in school now as it is, and not selling drugs even though its illegal??? Legalize it and see what happens.
I think more wouldn't sell drugs as the profit margins would DECREASE by huge amounts. Maybe they would all get real jobs growing the stuff for big farmers? Yah, that last part is the stretch. Do you know why people sell drugs? Cause you can make A LOT of money with the stuff.

Also do you really want to make the argument that paying for rehab is the answer over paying for law enforcement of drug laws? I dont see how that's plausible or even reasonable but to each their own. By your mentality I guess its just let the people do whatever they want, dont worry society will pick up the pieces if and when your already addicted.
Look at the example that is Amsterdam. Most soft drugs are legal in small quantities. You know who all uses the drugs and gets into trouble with the drugs? It is all the stupid tourists.

My argument for not spending any money on drug laws is for the following.
1) Generally they are victomless crimes. I am not talking about the coke lords and the big time dealers, but the small amounts people were going to jail for is retarded, and I would rather have our jails full of killers and rapists, then petty drug users.
2) Out of all the money that has been spent on the war on drugs, has it made any progress? The problem with making anything illegal is that you make the black market grow and become very powerful. Look at the prohibition periods, bootleggers were making tons of money, and becoming powerful. To take away their power, you take away the money. To take away the money, you take away their profit margins. To take away the profit margins you legalize it.
3) The issue with drug use is always the demand. As long as the demand is there, there will always be supply. That should be easily shown by the taking down of major drug cartels, to only have their imports be displaced by other cartels.

I don't condone drug usage for teens or anyone. Life is full of important choices and people should make them for themselves. I think government telling people that they can not smoke a silly plant is just stupid and a HUGE WASTE of important financial resources.
 
I don't smoke but I think pot should be legalized...what with it being a plant and all.

Far too much blood and treasure is wasted on fighting an unwinnable war against a weed.

I say legalize it, regulate it, and tax it but allow employers to decide whether its use is allowed by employees. The guy running the pizza place probably doesn't care if his people come to work baked while the guy running the airline probably does.
 
i cant think of 1 job that a employer would be ok with baked workers unless the employer is baked too.
 
i cant think of 1 job that a employer would be ok with baked workers unless the employer is baked too.
that would be correct. I think for most people, the legalization would be of legal consequence as their jobs would still stipulate approved behavior.
 
How come all the studies demonizing marijuana never state anything as fact?

It's always.."May" and "Could" and "the possibility to"

Marijuana can kill...when over 100lbs....falls on you.
 
In Colorado there are over 37,000 registered user and thousands more applying every week. The average age 40
 
I NM Its not "Legal" except for medical purposes but it has been decriminalized recentlty! anything less than 8oz is a petty misdemeanor.

IMO anyone still fighting legalization needs a serious reality check ( being Nice)
 
So I'm gonna smoke an ounce to dis!


Fact: There is very little credible, un-biased research published on the health risks and mental/physical impacts of smokin reefer. Most studies published in medical journals by independent researchers and credible members of the scientific community contradict a lot of statements from websites like "kidsgrowth". Seriously, do you see one reference to an actual source for any of that BS?

Its time to wake up people! Do you have any idea how many productive members of society like to toke a little grass? Here in WA medical marijuana is legal and the number of people being approved for medical use is soaring. Then I look at my neighbors to the north in B.C. and south in OR and its the same story. (In B.C. is more de-criminalized than a medical thing, and 5 joints a day ain't no thang eehhh) Its not just young stoners either, I'm talking doctors, lawyers, engineers, and professors with Ph.D.'s.

My observation after 20+ years of being wise in the ways of weed: If you were born dumb and lazy and you smoke weed, you will still be dumb and lazy. If you are smart and ambitious, you will still be smart and ambitious if you smoke weed. And hangovers suck so I would rather get irie mon...

Well off to have my lunch time doobie snack before I go back to work:smokin:
 
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that would be correct. I think for most people, the legalization would be of legal consequence as their jobs would still stipulate approved behavior.

I completely agree with all you said and this very point, however, this is the part^^^^that I think could be a ramification if we're ever to be lucky enough to see it legalized.

In a time when deficits are out of control, the drug war is over and has been for a long time, our southern border is turning into Afghanistan, and people who get high are going to get high, then it's time to wake up so we can keep paying for our big boat.
 
I completely agree with all you said and this very point, however, this is the part^^^^that I think could be a ramification if we're ever to be lucky enough to see it legalized.

In a time when deficits are out of control, the drug war is over and has been for a long time, our southern border is turning into Afghanistan, and people who get high are going to get high, then it's time to wake up so we can keep paying for our big boat.

FYI, it should be "little" not "legal" in the quoted section.

What do you mean ramification? I don't understand.

I think the biggest driver could / would be jobs and the use of hemp. According to this website, it looks like the best plant on earth!

San Diego Times

Hemp seeds are drug-free and extremely nutritious. They can be eaten whole, pressed into edible oil like soybeans, or ground into flour for baking. They are one of the best sources of vegetable protein. They contain a full complement of essential amino acids, essential fatty-acids (EFA'S), and have been shown to lower blood cholesterol and dissolve plaque in coronary arteries.


Because hemp is such a hardy plant, it can grow easily and abundantly almost anywhere, and can provide nutrition where other edible crops just won't grow. Hemp can even be cultivated in arid regions with poor soil like Saharan Africa or in places with a very short growing season like Scandinavia.


Hemp paper is naturally acid-free. The oldest printed paper in existence is a 100 percent hemp Chinese text dated to 770 AD. Thomas Jefferson drafted both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution on hemp paper.


Hemp's cellulose level is almost three times that of wood, so it makes superior paper and yields four times as much pulp per acre as trees. The hemp paper process also utilizes less energy and fewer chemicals than tree paper processing and doesn't create the harmful dioxins, chloroform, or any of the other 2,000 chlorinated organic compounds that have been identified as byproducts of the wood paper process.


10Hby5vpix.GIF
Hemp is a sustainable, annual crop that is ready for harvest just 120 days after going to seed, compared to trees which take tens or hundreds of years to reach maturity. Further, harvesting hemp doesn't destroy the natural habitats of thousands of distinct animal and plant species.

Hemp oil extract can also be used as an ingredient in nontoxic, biodegradable inks, paints, and varnishes. It is an ideal raw material for plant-based plastics such as cellophane as well as more recently developed cellulose-based plastics.
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Henry Ford himself manufactured the body of an automobile from hemp-based plastic in 1941. The plastic was much lighter than steel and could withstand ten times the impact without denting. The car was even fueled by clean-burning hemp-based ethanol fuel.

hmm... I wonder if they could use hemp as a biofuel??:face-icon-small-hap Yep they can.

You know, it seems like GOD made marijuana for us. It is a gift we should all be using.. regularly, with a tall glass of milk and oreos. :face-icon-small-hap
 
one thing that i have seen is that: drugs do not discrimanate. drugs don't care what age or skin color or anything. no one is immune. I also throw alcohol, caffenie etc in to the drug mix.

got to have my coffee in the morning or my body doesn't do good. i guess i am addicted.

tim
 
Legal or not, where does the federal DOT stand on this with the federal drug testing mandates implemented for many different careers. Sure you may be able to legally use it but can you legally have it in your system under the current federal DOT regulations?
 
Legal or not, where does the federal DOT stand on this with the federal drug testing mandates implemented for many different careers. Sure you may be able to legally use it but can you legally have it in your system under the current federal DOT regulations?

Mmmm... no. I would imagine if you had a job like that and got a prescription for MJ, you would be desk bound until you were off the medication. If it was a matter of working on sensitive projects, like oil pipeline work and the like, I would think you would be off the project as well.

I could of worded that much better.
 
I completely agree with all you said and this very point, however, this is the part^^^^that I think could be a ramification if we're ever to be lucky enough to see it legalized.

FYI, it should be "little" not "legal" in the quoted section.

What do you mean ramification? I don't understand.

I guess I should've elaborated. One of the possible ramifications I see with weed and jobs is this: Can an employer be allowed legally to fire someone that has done something legal on their own time? I'm talking about the weekend guy that smokes a bowl but goes to work and fails a drug test. Should the employer be able to fire that person?

This is where the trial lawyers are going to have a feast.

With alcohol, it's very apparent when a guy comes to work drunk, so this is a no brainer for required action. I've seen my boss actually drive a drunk employee in his own truck to treatment. This brought a lot of wow's to the workplace. But it's impossible with the current drug tests to determine if an accused employee is using pot during his own time or on the clock. As a former user, I could tell if someone is high, but I couldn't prove it.

As it stands now, an employer can terminate if he so wishes an employee who tests positive for marijuana, it's illegal; easy call and impossible to agrue against.

Now take a person who smokes on his own time once it's legal...should an employer be able to fire someone for a positive U/A? Firing someone when they didn't break the law?

I'm just saying this is the only issue I could see arising from legalization. Believe me, I believe legalization is the best way to fight this. As was stated earlier, as a high school student 85-89, it was by far easier to score a bag than it was to get alcohol. People against legalization should ask why/how could this be?

In a recent poll on NBC, the numbers for legal were like 33% and medical use 75%...the numbers get higher every year. Unfortunately, it is the older generation (the purists) that are not for legalization.


[FYI, it should be "little" not "legal" in the quoted section.

I didn't get this...
 
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