Polaris Gizmo
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Outlaw
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Thanks for all the orders and interest. We have been dealing with our manufacturer on some final mold details that had to be worked out before the final product is released. We expect to have our first production units arriving on Friday December 10th and we will be shipping out that afternoon. We apologize for the minor delay. If it was easy everybody would do it.
We are continuing our testing on a regular basis and will be posting our findings regarding the Cat and Ski Doo applications.
Ride safe and watch your temps. We have had several stock sleds burned down this year.
They have now requested that the Enhancement Kit be installed before they pick it up.
As always Thanks
T
Thanks for all the orders and interest. We have been dealing with our manufacturer on some final mold details that had to be worked out before the final product is released. We expect to have our first production units arriving on Friday December 10th and we will be shipping out that afternoon. We apologize for the minor delay. If it was easy everybody would do it.
We are continuing our testing on a regular basis and will be posting our findings regarding the Cat and Ski Doo applications. Ride safe and watch your temps. We have had several stock sleds burned down this year.
They have now requested that the Enhancement Kit be installed before they pick it up.As always Thanks
T
We have had several stock sleds burned down this year.
As always Thanks
T
You're saying that several Pro's have burned down already or 08-10's?
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Outlaw
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08-2010s. We have seen a few scuffs on the Pro but not a complete failure yet. I am running the Enhancement Kit on my new Pro. We have a few stock pros that the temps are dropping down below 90 after a 5 minute break then back up to the 160 170 mark. The stock pro seems to be all over the map on temps 125 up to 170. I seem to be holding 150-165 regardless of were I am riding. When we see a pro in the shop for cold seize I will get some information and pictures out.
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T
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Interesting read and product.
For some of you that have asked, the thicker the cylinder wall the more material there is to dissipated the heat. This means that the thicker the wall the less the cylinder will change in size. However as the product designer has mentioned it will still have the effect just not as much. I find it interesting that snowmobile manufactures have overlooked this.
For some of you that have asked, the thicker the cylinder wall the more material there is to dissipated the heat. This means that the thicker the wall the less the cylinder will change in size. However as the product designer has mentioned it will still have the effect just not as much. I find it interesting that snowmobile manufactures have overlooked this.
Thanks for clearing that up, hadn't heard of any Pro's having any problems. You are seeing temps from 125-170? Everyone I've ridden with yet, about 5 new Pros in all, show signs of high temps while not in good snow. Sometimes upwards of 150, but when you keep them in the snow they don't budge from (+ or -) 3 degrees of about 125...
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The 125 seems to low for a engine that has a high temp light at an idle of 239degrees.185 WOT and will not stutter the engine. Seems that 150 range would be optimum. We will see for sure on the pro. That is were mine runs with the Kit and I am running a close second against an 800 Turbo.
I will continue to get the miles and see how it rates next to the stockers.
Thanks
T
I will continue to get the miles and see how it rates next to the stockers.Thanks
T
The 125 seems to low for a engine that has a high temp light at an idle of 239degrees.185 WOT and will not stutter the engine. Seems that 150 range would be optimum. We will see for sure on the pro. That is were mine runs with the Kit and I am running a close second against an 800 Turbo.
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T
Ok, I made a point of watching my temps all ride on Sunday...I am riding the '11 Assault.
Heading up the hill that morning, ambient air temp was -7c (19.4f)...snow was groomed and icy...temp ran up to about 150f...so I put down the scratchers. wiithin 100ft my temp started coming down and stayed in the 135f range.
There was an inversion that day and at 5000ft we were in -2c (28.4f) weather for the better part of the day. As soon as I got into snow, I ran anywhere from 125f to 145f, dependant only on how much snow was building on the hood. But if the hood was clear, even on long pulls I was right in the 125-130 range.
On the road down, I didn't put the scrathers down and slowly got to 155f on the 10km ride back to the truck.
In short, was really impressed with the temps. I hear that higher temps are where we get the optimal power on these sleds, but I'll take lower temps any day of the week. High temps are usually the issue where i ride....it was good to get a read on a good range of air temps.
One thing I was very mindful of - thanks to this thread - was starting after stops of several minutes...I let the coolant run through the tunnel and through the block, let the temp plummet (Begin at 150-160 at start-up, drop down to as low as 75f in a matter of seconds and then start to head back up), then as soon as it started going back up...braaaaaaaaappppp...gone...like the wind...only FASTER...and Orange (due to the color of mys sled, not my complexion).
I can see how, for you guys East of the Rockies, why the Gizmo would make a lot of sense...minus farenheit must play havock with these things after a lengthy stop! Like brain freeze on steroids for the sled.
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FROZENMOTO- We have wondered the same thing. It seems like they are heading in the wrong direction. The Rush has 5 coolers on it. Nothing like injecting ice water onto a hot cylinder. I know they have burned them down back east.
WYOPRO- Keep in mind that my temps on my pro are with the Enhancement kit. The 125 is the lowest that I see upon restart. Therefore we have elimanated the cold shot. The hottest that I have seen on a hard packed trail without my scratchers down was 170. In our testing I did not want to put the scratchers down. I just wanted to see what the Enhancement Kit would do. It will hit 170 running midrange but it will always drop back to the 145 to 160 range. I realize that the stock sleds are running cooler. What the enhancement kit has done is stopped the cold shot. I was glad to see LONGGOLD's post with the true temps on a stock sled 160 down to a cold shot of 75!! 85 Degrees in seconds. That can contract the cylinder 21,250 thousands. ( According to metalurgy sites) That is what we are preventing. And I am not packing around that extra 30 LBS worth of snow and ice on or under my tunnel, That is a plus. My tunnel stays nice and warm and keeps all that melted off as the coolant preheated and circulated thru the system.
LONGGOLD- Thanks for the temp report. That is a great bit of information for everybody that has been on this site. Sure does prove the point that we are trying to make. It is not just for us guys. 85 degrees in seconds? That is the problem. We are just equalizing the system and maintaining a more constant temp. Like I stated above, That can contract a cylinder 21,250 thousands. The sleds that we see, the pistons are scuffed all the way around. That can not be blamed on piston rock or to lean. That is from the cylinder contracting around the piston when the cold coolant hits the heatsoaked cylinder.
Thanks to everybody for watching the temps. I would like to tell you that if you are running stock to just let your sleds cooling system get back to operating temp before pinching it. But I can not. Somewere early in this thread a member put it best. Don't stop and if you do, stop long enough for the engine to reach the same temp as the coolant in the tunnel. That is the only way to avoid a cold shot if you are running a stock sled.
Again, Thanks for the comments and questions.
T
WYOPRO- Keep in mind that my temps on my pro are with the Enhancement kit. The 125 is the lowest that I see upon restart. Therefore we have elimanated the cold shot. The hottest that I have seen on a hard packed trail without my scratchers down was 170. In our testing I did not want to put the scratchers down. I just wanted to see what the Enhancement Kit would do. It will hit 170 running midrange but it will always drop back to the 145 to 160 range. I realize that the stock sleds are running cooler. What the enhancement kit has done is stopped the cold shot. I was glad to see LONGGOLD's post with the true temps on a stock sled 160 down to a cold shot of 75!! 85 Degrees in seconds. That can contract the cylinder 21,250 thousands. ( According to metalurgy sites) That is what we are preventing. And I am not packing around that extra 30 LBS worth of snow and ice on or under my tunnel, That is a plus. My tunnel stays nice and warm and keeps all that melted off as the coolant preheated and circulated thru the system.
LONGGOLD- Thanks for the temp report. That is a great bit of information for everybody that has been on this site. Sure does prove the point that we are trying to make. It is not just for us guys. 85 degrees in seconds? That is the problem. We are just equalizing the system and maintaining a more constant temp. Like I stated above, That can contract a cylinder 21,250 thousands. The sleds that we see, the pistons are scuffed all the way around. That can not be blamed on piston rock or to lean. That is from the cylinder contracting around the piston when the cold coolant hits the heatsoaked cylinder.
Thanks to everybody for watching the temps. I would like to tell you that if you are running stock to just let your sleds cooling system get back to operating temp before pinching it. But I can not. Somewere early in this thread a member put it best. Don't stop and if you do, stop long enough for the engine to reach the same temp as the coolant in the tunnel. That is the only way to avoid a cold shot if you are running a stock sled.
Again, Thanks for the comments and questions.
T
I tried to pay alot closer attention to my temps on Sunday. As in the past, my sled pretty normally stays at @ 125. I never saw temps over that at any point the entire day. When the sled was restarted and the temp redisplayed, it was 99 at it's lowest point.
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Outlaw
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Sorry for the delay. We have been eyeball deep in installing and shipping the Kit out and have not been able to send anyone to Salt Lake for the dyno runs. The only information that I can give you at this time is the feed back that we are getting from our customers. They are saying it has made alot of different in there sled. The temps are holding right were we expected and all of them are saying that they can feel some power gain. They are not sure how much. And without having Dyno reports I can not say. My only thinking is if you can feel it by the seat of your pants then maybe 10 horse. Do not take that as for sure until we have dyno results. I have been looking for someone that has a Dyno that they could bring up to the shop in Jackson but have not had any luck yet.
So to make a long story even longer the feed back has been nothing but posative from all the customers that we have installed enhancement Kits on and sent out. They state that the system is working perfectly, No bobbles and the temps are more consistant. We will be installing the Enhancement Kit on the Snowest project sled next week when Ryan gets it back from Boonedockers. The 800 Turboes are still responding very well to the kit.
We have kits instock and are shipping out everyday.
Watch your temps.
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T
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Can you post some of the graphs showing engine and cooler temp along with rpm, from a digatron or some other data acquisition device. I am assuming that you have that kind of data available to support your r&d effort. I would be very interested in seeing some actual data on the improvements made in temp consistency, and I'm sure others would be too.
Also, where is the info coming from that suggests ~150 Deg makes more HP than the 125-130 everyone is running. Is that from looking at the temp compensation on a polaris map, from a polaris engineer, or just a 'seat of the pants' observation? Seems like if 20-30 deg more was a major increase in power I could sell 'high performance' thermostats all day long and make a mint.
Looking forward to some data to back up the product, I think it would go along way in your marketing as well and keep the skeptics from bothering you as much.
Joe
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Can you post some of the graphs showing engine and cooler temp along with rpm, from a digatron or some other data acquisition device. I am assuming that you have that kind of data available to support your r&d effort. I would be very interested in seeing some actual data on the improvements made in temp consistency, and I'm sure others would be too.
Also, where is the info coming from that suggests ~150 Deg makes more HP than the 125-130 everyone is running. Is that from looking at the temp compensation on a polaris map, from a polaris engineer, or just a 'seat of the pants' observation? Seems like if 20-30 deg more was a major increase in power I could sell 'high performance' thermostats all day long and make a mint.
Looking forward to some data to back up the product, I think it would go along way in your marketing as well and keep the skeptics from bothering you as much.
Joe
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I'm not sold yet $$$$
but I do like the thery. I would like to see some install pics. On my breakin ride I ran 180 without the scratcher down but when I hit the powder they were 125 all day. But here is the point that I think people are missing. When it was running 125 and I stopped for ten or fifteen minutes when I started it up the heatsoak was at 145 and would drop down to 95ish in seconds and that is what this gizzmo is preventing
but I do like the thery. I would like to see some install pics. On my breakin ride I ran 180 without the scratcher down but when I hit the powder they were 125 all day. But here is the point that I think people are missing. When it was running 125 and I stopped for ten or fifteen minutes when I started it up the heatsoak was at 145 and would drop down to 95ish in seconds and that is what this gizzmo is preventing
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Thanks again for the comments and questions.
jaynelson- so you shut your sled down at 125-130. Heat soak to 140-145, Then cold shot down to your 87 degrees, So you are dropping temps by 58 degrees. If you research metalurgy you will see metal contracts 25000 in a 100 degree varation. I would say that is not good.
wyopro- We are pulling 62s. As far as track speed since everything is equalized and the ECU is not compensating yes we are pulling more track speed.
wyofreeride- As far the data that we have collected over the last three years it varies from note books to POV footage of the temperature gauge over multiple 2-5 hr rides. I think our best support for our R&D effort is the thousands of miles and the customers that are using the kit that have come back to the shop asking what moter we put in the sled and how much difference it has made. Give it a try you will not be disapointed.
mower800- Just so you are clear. The kit does not stop the heat soak. What we do stop is the cold shot that you saw. You will always have a heat soak but with the kit it does not matter what you soak to because we have stopped the cold shot to a hot engine.
As always thanks for the comments and questions. If you find yourself In Jackson, WY swing by the shop.
Thanks
T
jaynelson- so you shut your sled down at 125-130. Heat soak to 140-145, Then cold shot down to your 87 degrees, So you are dropping temps by 58 degrees. If you research metalurgy you will see metal contracts 25000 in a 100 degree varation. I would say that is not good.
wyopro- We are pulling 62s. As far as track speed since everything is equalized and the ECU is not compensating yes we are pulling more track speed.
wyofreeride- As far the data that we have collected over the last three years it varies from note books to POV footage of the temperature gauge over multiple 2-5 hr rides. I think our best support for our R&D effort is the thousands of miles and the customers that are using the kit that have come back to the shop asking what moter we put in the sled and how much difference it has made. Give it a try you will not be disapointed.
mower800- Just so you are clear. The kit does not stop the heat soak. What we do stop is the cold shot that you saw. You will always have a heat soak but with the kit it does not matter what you soak to because we have stopped the cold shot to a hot engine.
As always thanks for the comments and questions. If you find yourself In Jackson, WY swing by the shop.
Thanks
T
