Polaris axys vs. skidoo 850 backcountry sleds
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember the axys name first being on trail sleds. If that's the case then the axys is also a converted trail chassis. And no the G4 isn't a wide sled. I've been on one and it feels as skinny as the axys. It also requires less effort to ride than the axys. And it's light and nimble. So to say it's a wide saddle just isn't true. But I ride both brands so I couldn't care less which one other people think is better. I just find it funny when people say the G4 is just a glorified xp. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Slick
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You're correct. Truth is the G4 is a glorified XM, The XM was a glorified XP, That's the truth.
How are any of the post 08 chassis any different? Seems as if anyone that calls the doos trail sleds cant tell me a specific answer...
And the Axys is what? A glorified Pro? What is the Pro? A glorified IQ? What is the IQ? See how that works? All each manufacturer does is refine each chassis. I still dont see how they are any different.. Specific answers??
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Jaynelson
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How is the Doo different from the Polaris? Steering geometry, front end geometry, bar ergos, width of tunnel, running board design, tunnel design, skid design, suspension components and brand, width of track translating to width of...everything the track is attached to. That's some of it. I care more about how it feels than the bits tho...to be honest. They're all the same basic idea just like most vehicles, houses, yada yada. Is one more an adapted trail sled than another? I dunno about that. The Doo is definetly more bandaid'd up from the poor handling XP's of 2008-2011 ish, but that is years ago and the handling is much improved since then. The biggest deficiencies to pol at this time would be - no coil over rear skid, flexy running boards, wide track, and not sure if they've fixed the tendency to want to turn uphill on sidehill. But they are a good machine these days and cat as well .
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Deep Powder Guy
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The Doo 850 "power wise" can be compared to an 800 XM Big Bore... However, the design of the 850 motor is different than the design of the 800 motor .... The 2017 Doo clutch is completely new for Doo, the front ski stance is narrower. With out question the 2017 850 summit is not a 800 XM.
Do you think the Axys is a RMK ?
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Do you think the Axys is a RMK ?
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And the axys is just a glorified iq chassis.?
I can promise you that if you rode a stock G4 right next to a stock xp you'd find out that there is no comparison, just like if you rode the axys right next to a dragon.
So basically the only thing that makes it a "bandaided trail sled" is the fact that it has a coil over skid... Pretty much everything else is either due to a wider track (tunnel width, track width, skid parts due to width and tunnel design) or has basically the same thing/ a different brand of the same thing (Pyrimidal front end, different brand of shocks and skis)...
The g4 trail and summit use the same trail sled steering.
The same style torsion spring suspension. (One has a wobble)
Same spindles and suspension geometry up front..
All the above are vastly different between the axys trail and the rmk.
Because they have different purposes......
Heck even cat/yami use different steering/suspension for trail sleds vs mtn sleds......
Is that so hard to grasp?
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snowmobiler
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wait.i need my poo waders.deep sheet
Indeed it is hard to grasp.. The only thing different from axys trail vs axys rmk is the beavertail technology, vs whatever youd like to call the rmk's. The RMK amd the Trail sleds appear to have the same spindle and pretty much the same geometry, save the forged arms vs the glued arms in the trail. Steering of the two both appear to be the same as well.. Heres a couple pics :
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RMK
I dont see a clear difference that would matter or make a giant difference. So right now all that it sounds like to me is what makes the summit a converted trail sled is the torsion springs... Also the claim that "they arent the same, because they have different purposes" irks me a little, because what you said is true for Doo.. The MXZ is purposefully a trail sled, while the Summit is purposfully a mountain sled, so that makes them different. The tmotion and flexedge track is a selling point on summits that I personally love and cant see riding without it..
Edit: Ill worry about the cat/yami later... Plus this is a polaris section and I think others would rather see doo vs poo in the poo section
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So the steering on these is the same?
Trail^^^^ horizontal post
Mtn^^^^ vertical post.
The mtn sleds have a taller spindle and it sits at a shallower angle.
Different overstructure, chaincase, brake setup, driveshaft and jackshaft.
Different purpose and purpose built.
Cat and yami do the same with steering posts and suspension.
Torsion springs are better on the trail.....
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Trail^^^^ horizontal post
Mtn^^^^ vertical post.
The mtn sleds have a taller spindle and it sits at a shallower angle.
Different overstructure, chaincase, brake setup, driveshaft and jackshaft.
Different purpose and purpose built.
Cat and yami do the same with steering posts and suspension.
Torsion springs are better on the trail.....
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NWaxys
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The g 4 doo has great improvements over the xm. The front is narrower and raised. I still think the angle is off just a bit though. Was fun to ride and feels like a big bore. Still does the xm wash in the rear on super steep though. All the doo guys in our group do fine on the xm.. Bet it's easy to get used to. You ever ask yourself while most big shot doo guys swap to
"E motion" from t motion? .....just saying. Not bashing almost bought 850 just because but gunna wait till doo makes more of them and fully swaps from xm chassis
"E motion" from t motion? .....just saying. Not bashing almost bought 850 just because but gunna wait till doo makes more of them and fully swaps from xm chassis
So tell me. Is the rush a mountain specific sled now? Blows your argument away pretty quickly.
A question I have. Who decided that a vertical post means it's a mountain specific chassis?
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Slick
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Not the same spindles, that small change in geometry plays a huge role in handling on the hill!Indeed it is hard to grasp.. The only thing different from axys trail vs axys rmk is the beavertail technology, vs whatever youd like to call the rmk's. The RMK amd the Trail sleds appear to have the same spindle and pretty much the same geometry, save the forged arms vs the glued arms in the trail. Steering of the two both appear to be the same as well.. Heres a couple pics :
Trail
RMK
I dont see a clear difference that would matter or make a giant difference. So right now all that it sounds like to me is what makes the summit a converted trail sled is the torsion springs... Also the claim that "they arent the same, because they have different purposes" irks me a little, because what you said is true for Doo.. The MXZ is purposefully a trail sled, while the Summit is purposfully a mountain sled, so that makes them different. The tmotion and flexedge track is a selling point on summits that I personally love and cant see riding without it..
Edit: Ill worry about the cat/yami later... Plus this is a polaris section and I think others would rather see doo vs poo in the poo section
If ur gonna post pics with comments, u should probably look carefully at the pics first!
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snowmobiler
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cool.its nice to see a lower arm thats not bent.
