OPINIONS AND FACTS FROM OWNERS of MCX, Powderlites, and other Turbos on the NYTRO

[SLY]

I have an MCX kit on a stock Nytro motor with a head shim. It runs awesome and is at about 16lbs on Av. I would love to try an Alpine or Powderlites that is similar setup so I can see for myself. The problem is there are lots of built motors out there and it's tough to compare when you don't know what's under the hood. I'll probably do one of the others just so I can see for myself as it get's confusing. I remember riding another sled a couple of years back when I was running 12lbs and thinking how well it ran after the guy told me it was a 12lb setup. Guys unfamiliar with boosted sleds have a tough time watching a boost gauge but that 12lb setup sure put a smile on my face as I watched the gauge holding past the 18lb mark, LOL

 

[smokie]

You going to bring one thats a stock kit off the shelf, or the ones running pistons, rods, valve springs, stock compression, C16 and whatever other mods done to it ?

Would be nice to actually compare apples to apples. (Blain, Mike etc dont take that as a dig etc, i would honestly like to see an all out honest test with all the kit's kinda box stock, as bought. Would be intresting IMO)

PM'd ya Dave, let me know when a guy can try your kit out.

we will have an off the shelf sled only turbo and we will have the red sled there it has tunnel and m10 on it.

i to would like to see turbo for turbo best set up see if their is a difference on kits or if the nitro is really that versitial and it will show us builders if we are on the right track or if we need to do more RnD

darko have you not seen neil son on the hill i think all they did was install turbo? if not try our kit at yammifest.

 

[IRONMAN]

Its not that important to drag race a sled to decide which kit you want to buy. One setup mite be designed to go faster while one mite be setup to climb hills(153 track or 162) and trust me it is a huge difference. The same way the 162 kills the 153 in deep snow, it gets smoked in a drag race. If people get to try kits out side by side try to get a feel for how it responds and what the drivability is like, on and off the throttle. All kits can be made to make big hp #, but who cares, how many people want to buy a sled to go drag race it? Just pick a kit that suits your riding style, get out and have fun.

As far as I know my sled is the only one around with rods and pistons in it, that dont affect the performance of the sled. Only allows me to make more hp with out parts failing. Rite now I am limited by the injectors anyway same as a stock sled. Earls sled has a stock motor still, he will prob let you take it for a rip darko.

And if anyone belives dave and wants to drive their sled off a cliff let me know I will come take it off your hands! LMMFAO Didnt know one kit makes the rest garbage!

 

[boosted1]

another opinion

everyones got an opinion, lol
I have 2 buddies who had MCX Apex's, they both have had there big issues with header or gasket leaks, big lag and fuel controller issues
Both got rid of the MCX's one went Alpine front mount the other went Synergy, after seeing many different setups i decided to install a Synergy.
I am running 14lbs of boost on straight pump fuel, fuel box is non adjustable and runs just as clean as a stock apex, no blubbing and sputters.
Jeff at Quantum has done a bang up job on my install, the fuel box runs 240 points of fuel adjustment, not to mention the timing box...I believe its the only kit that retards timing with the increase in boost, like an automitive application.
Cant beat Alpines support and product there is no doubt, however the Synergy kit just runs perfect from start up to WOT.....not to mention INSTANT throttle response.
MY OPINION i would never own any other kit other than a Synergy at this point.

 

[M5-]

I love riding my front mount sled for the response etc but I've ridden rear mounts as well. I have pretty well decided to go rear mount on my Nytro mosltly because of the header issues and I like the feel of the sled with the extra weight on the rear as opposed to the front. When you are doing a pull I don't think it matters where the turbo is once it's spooled but for boondocking I like the balance of the sled better with the extra weight towards the back. Seems like the rear kits are so close to the fronts these days that the whole lag issue doesn't hardly get talked about anymore. I rode an MCX Apex briefly last week and sure I noticed a bit of a difference compared to the front mount but I could easily make the change. The nice thing is there is a choice still and the bad kits get labelled as such pretty quick.

M5

 

[srxspec]

there is another new kit out there for guys that have not seen this one iam supprized he hasn't posted it on here yet but i think they are just finishing it.its a rear mount with a areo 53 series turbo i think they are using a dynojet tuner with it some details here.
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=56344&start=30

Thanks for the link iamvector. We have been working hard and haven't had much time on the internet since we've released information on our kit. We use the 53 series Aerocharger that is good for 8 lbs of boost on pump gas (with the option to turn it up to 12 lbs on good fuel) for those who don't want to dig deep into installing a turbo kit (installation time takes 8-10 hours for a first timer). The turbo oil is self contained (needing to be checked when you do an oil change), no water lines, no oil lines, etc. We are working on a larger 53 series turbo for Stage 2 that will include a head shim, cam timing, etc as well. We use Dynojet products for fuel delivery and timing adjustment based on boost pressure as well. Happy boosting everyone!

 

[redbull660]

Thanks for the link iamvector. We have been working hard and haven't had much time on the internet since we've released information on our kit. We use the 53 series Aerocharger that is good for 8 lbs of boost on pump gas (with the option to turn it up to 12 lbs on good fuel) for those who don't want to dig deep into installing a turbo kit (installation time takes 8-10 hours for a first timer). The turbo oil is self contained (needing to be checked when you do an oil change), no water lines, no oil lines, etc. We are working on a larger 53 series turbo for Stage 2 that will include a head shim, cam timing, etc as well. We use Dynojet products for fuel delivery and timing adjustment based on boost pressure as well. Happy boosting everyone!

How much does your kit cost and what comes with it. thanks

 

[Ken Climb]

Wow, more kits popping up everyday for these nytro's! I hope to get out to Yamifest and try a few different kits. That new 09 nytro shortrack racers edition looks like a good start piont for my next years mod!

 

[frees-tyler]

I hope all the Turbo's mfg's are there (Yamafest). I'm a flatland Yamaha Dealer and I have tons of customers asking about Turbos' and SC''s and I need as close to a trouble-free kit as I can get.
btw...It's my first time to the Mtn's and I can't wait to see all the mod'd iron raced snowx on Yamaha but I'm afraid the steep stuff you guys ride may scare sheeot outt'a me...we'll see

 

[Townzy]

MCX has been good tome. One on an apex and now on my nytro. I am like Darko n the fact that I am not a wrench guy but a ride guy. They seem to be very reliable for "Bolt on Horsepower." I am not real familiar with all the other turbo's but I know that MCX has a background from my street bike racing years ago as there were guys running MCX turbos on street bikes. I also think that the install is a huge factor of how the sled performs. 1400kms on apex-turbo, and now 800ish on the nytro-turbo with no problems.

 

[smokie]

Tinman or you like being called ironman why you always giving smart cracks about everthing but your Alpine buddies. I know you have a personal interest in alpine but if it werent for PowderLites even Alpine would not be where they are today. You are quick to bash Dave but yet your sleds have some of his innovative parts or copies on them. As far as your comment about me not getting along with anyone not true. I just dont like liars cheats and blow hards. Dave deserves more from you he has helped you and others for years to be able to boost your egos and your sleds. It is personal with you and I. Oh by the way the nitruos set up you ran last year came from me. Your welcome

get your facts right there buddy powderlites was the welder for alpine. the kit started with the key guys from alpine that figured a front mount would kick a** and it does. yes dave had some input but the main peices were alpines designs and doller. powder lites would not have a kit if it werent for alpine. and as for the copys daves kit looks exactly like a mcx kit so who is copying who

 

[DARKO]

LOL, im suprised it was this long for people to come all uncunted on the "who's loyal to whose kit" thread. Hahaha

Ding ding, round 2. Where's the hot ring girl and im outta beer.

 

[KC Boost]

Race??

yamafest revy march 29 come test a alpine kit. not sure if powder lites will be there but if he is then you can test back to back. i want to see how a powder lites kit performs next to an alpine kit. race anyone???????

I would be in for a race against other systems running 14#. That is where I am at and it doesn't feel as strong as I would like.

Would be good to see what other systems REALLY have on the snow!!!

I will be in Revy @ yamafest.

 

[skibumm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DhY4aRL4tU

This is some footage of Paul from Impulse on his Nytro. His was running around 17# of boost today. The other Nytro on www.youtube.com/wallytubes is a Nytro with Paul's kit running on 15# of boost. The first video was up AF Canyon today and the camera doesn't do the hill justice. Paul was riding that Nytro up some gnarly stuff. The more I ride the boosted Nytro, the more I want one!

 

[Hillclimber]

Silly question for the MCX owners?

I was checking out other threads and saw problems with the intake plugging on the MCX in the deep fluffy stuff. The solution was the snorkle that sticks up the back of the seat. I think I'd kick that sucker right off going across the seat to sidehill. Is it a concern?

I really like the clean look and mount of the impulse but there is an MCX dealer/installer somewhat close. Balance of the rear mount, there's a lot to factor in on a $6-$7K purchase like this...
Thanks for everyone's input. I'm feeling more comfortable doing my turbo research before pulling the trigger on one. Keep the feedback coming!

 

[Thistledoo]

You wont kick it off because we use a rubber rad hose....kick it and it springs back up. You only need that in certain snow conditions...like 3ft plus. I pulled mine out and up just a touch and never do kick it or run into it. On days like this it needs to be up outta the snow or you risk takin ice or pluggin off your air supply. You could actually carry the small chunk of hose and install it on the hill in 2 minutes if needed. Heres a deep day....and yup I'm on a MCX Nytro

 

[powderlites]

FX Nytro turbo feedback One sided

Title said ONE SIDED?
4-EFI control setups has been a big tough learning curve.
One ride on our new system mapped properly and you will all be throwing the junk over the ciff.
It's a figure of speech and I was relating to EFI BOX and mapping system
WE have been playing with switching EFI boxes and maybe your nervous and jumping the gun IRONMAN.
Everyone knows you support Alpine and thats fine,
Facts! I am not welder by trade and just do my best and have learned alot from playing with TIG for a few years.
I am a Mechanic by trade and started working on motorcycle engines in 1975 Also worked on Kawasaki Z1R-TC if you know anything about turbo bikes in 1979.
But hey I really don't know what I am doing but it's working! and it's my opinion!

 

[Hillclimber]

You wont kick it off because we use a rubber rad hose....kick it and it springs back up. You only need that in certain snow conditions...like 3ft plus. I pulled mine out and up just a touch and never do kick it or run into it. On days like this it needs to be up outta the snow or you risk takin ice or pluggin off your air supply. You could actually carry the small chunk of hose and install it on the hill in 2 minutes if needed. Heres a deep day....and yup I'm on a MCX Nytro

Thanks Thistledoo, that's the first real close up I've seen of the back end. 3' plus is right up my alley and pretty typical. Is the exhaust modified stock or aftermarket added after the kit, I like the side flow. Curious what else I'll need besides the basic boost kit. I was counting on gauges, controler and maybe a larger fuel tank.

 

[Thistledoo]

The muffler is stock...got a piece of alum tubing and welded it on so the gas can isnt effected. Been like this all season and no problems. If you ride over 60miles in a day the larger tank is nice....I'm gonna get one for next year. I got a good liguid filled autometer boost gauge and thats it....no air fuel on mine. Get the rear skid and track in there and ride it.

 

[Hillclimber]

Pulled the trigger on the first part!

First part is done. There's a brand spanking new 40th anniversary model in the back of the truck. Time for some miles and then the boost.
Still getting the pros and cons of each kit, keep the feedback coming.