Obama - Hitler....similar? HMMM

[Skinner]

I think that most agree with you but sadly the educated aren't able to carry the vote. These political pigs simply have to say the right things to the uninformed masses and they get in. Let's see, tax cuts, free handouts, change, healthcare, etc. They know they just need to cheer for free handouts to get a vote. Our country has become a population of entitlement. Everyone thinks they should have everything and do nothing. Health care, a nice home, nice car, good job-that's all the responsibility of the government not the individual in the eyes of the masses. It's no longer about making yourself better and changing your situation. It's someone else's fault. Those who have chosen to work an make something, it's their fault and they should give us some. "WHERE'S MINE??" is the silent deafening scream. It's ****in sad but that's the way I see it. They WANT their government to take care of them and provide everything. It's like the generation/degradation of business. The 1st generation builds it, the 2nd sees it grow and profits from it, the 3rd bleeds it dry and sees it crumble. We have become a nation of dependents that thrive on ignorance. Keep them ignorant and you will be king forever. The politicians know and play it Eddy Van Halen on a Gibson.

So, how do we form a plan to get those out that have the game mastered?

On a side note. I wonder why they are giving out vouchers to get free boxes for the switch to HD TV? So we can all watch the Discovery channel? OR, so that they can make sure the media can maintain a steady flow of manipulated info to their subjects......

I agree! I wish I could put my words down on paper that good!

 

[switchback]

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me. --Martin Niemoller

That drives home a solid point. Talk about hindsight being 20/20. We see that train of thought in every day life. If it doesn't affect us or our livelihood directly we shrug off. Not my problem. How many things could have been solved had we given them attention when it a minor issue? Kind of like ignoring a small cut that turns into a large infection. It's an interesting phenomenon that when an ordinary person steps in to help a complete stranger they are put on the news a called a hero. We all praise them and look up to them saying "I hope I would do what he/she did in that situation" Why does it have to be a car accident or a drowning before we put others in front of ourselves? How about the kid getting picked on or the cashier being harassed by some young puke at Target? The lady trying to load groceries with a baby in her arms. How about your neighbor a few blocks down dealing with zoning issues? How about our govt working to restrict the sale of brass in an attempt to take away our 2nd ammendment rights? The dept of interior trying to create more wildlife areas? Speak out and with your neighbors and fellow citizens. One of our most basic needs as a human, the need to give affection and have a sense or worth, is easily achieved by one simple action-helping. Problem is we are afraid. Afraid that we will lose something in the process or have to give something, like time & energy.
Anyways......

 

[xrated]

Though I appreciate the sentiment and really enjoy the thoughts myself, and since we are already on the subject of the parallels between current situation and Nazi Germany; take a look at history. We might not have the capability to save ourselves. Not saying I won't try.

Another good quote that bears repeating is:

"Do not go gentle into that good Night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the Light."

Can ya tell how I feel?

 

[MPS]

Do I seem so far off now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiPak85p5sg&feature=related


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[Adrenaline Revolution]

Do I seem so far off now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiPak85p5sg&feature=related


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I never thought you were "OFF" at all.
The man's destroying my country.

BTW...Who left you the unsigned RED rep on page two?
Name him!!!

 

[ruffryder]

Politics is supposed to be a service to your country, not a life long career.

I used to have this cool place mat a while ago. It showed all the presidents and there occupations that they held. It was interesting to see the change from the beginning and people in the military / generals, lawyers, doctors, engineers, and how the switch was slowly changed to "politician" as a career / occupation.

Yes, it should not be a career. I think the change from career politicians to short time servers would be a hard one, as the newbies would have a tough time getting through all the messed up agreements and convoluted bills that are out there. The good news, is that they would probably simplify the crap out of things, out of necessity.

 

[Metallic(a)sled]

Halls of Justice Painted Green
Money Talking
Power Wolves Beset Your Door
Hear Them Stalking
Soon You'll Please Their Appetite
They Devour
Hammer of Justice Crushes You
Overpower

The Ultimate in Vanity
Exploiting Their Supremacy
I Can't Believe the Things You Say
I Can't Believe
I Can't Believe the Price You Pay
Nothing Can Save You

Apathy Their Stepping Stone
So Unfeeling
Hidden Deep Animosity
So Deceiving
Through Your Eyes Their Light Burns
Hoping to Find
Inquisition Sinking You
With Prying Minds

The Ultimate in Vanity
Exploiting Their Supremacy
I Can't Believe the Things You Say
I Can't Believe
I Can't Believe the Price You Pay
Nothing Can Save You

Lady Justice Has Been Raped
Truth Assassin
Rolls of Red Tape Seal Your Lips
Now You're Done in
Their Money Tips Her Scales Again
Make Your Deal
Just What Is Truth? I Cannot Tell
Cannot Feel

The Ultimate in Vanity
Exploiting Their Supremacy
I Can't Believe the Things You Say
I Can't Believe
I Can't Believe the Price We Pay
Nothing Can Save Us

Justice Is Lost
Justice Is Raped
Justice Is Gone
Pulling Your Strings
Justice Is Done
Seeking No Truth
Winning Is All
Find it So Grim
So True
So Real
Seeking No Truth
Winning Is All
Find it So Grim
So True
So Real
Metallica ...And Justice For All

and just for the obama hitler relation:

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
Adolf Hitler

 

[shortstop20]

I used to have this cool place mat a while ago. It showed all the presidents and there occupations that they held. It was interesting to see the change from the beginning and people in the military / generals, lawyers, doctors, engineers, and how the switch was slowly changed to "politician" as a career / occupation.

Yes, it should not be a career. I think the change from career politicians to short time servers would be a hard one, as the newbies would have a tough time getting through all the messed up agreements and convoluted bills that are out there. The good news, is that they would probably simplify the crap out of things, out of necessity.

Most of the founding fathers hated career politicians because they knew it corrupts people. They had the dignity to step down, people don't nowadays.

I'm not sure how many people actually know this but George Washington had the opportunity to be the King of the United States(NO democratic/republic form of government). His words were, "You just fought a war to escape the tyranny of a King and now you want to have one govern your new nation?" He stepped down from the Presidency after two terms out of dignity and personal belief that a politics should not be a career(and because he was sick of it). There wasn't even an election before his first term.

The elected officials in D.C. can talk about how they admire the Founding Fathers all they want but the fact is they wouldn't get any admiration or much respect back from them.

I could write a post from here to the moon about this stuff.

 

[Metallic(a)sled]

Most of the founding fathers hated career politicians because they knew it corrupts people. They had the dignity to step down, people don't nowadays.

I'm not sure how many people actually know this but George Washington had the opportunity to be the King of the United States(NO democratic/republic form of government). His words were, "You just fought a war to escape the tyranny of a King and now you want to have one govern your new nation?" He stepped down from the Presidency after two terms out of dignity and personal belief that a politics should not be a career(and because he was sick of it). There wasn't even an election before his first term.

The elected officials in D.C. can talk about how they admire the Founding Fathers all they want but the fact is they wouldn't get any admiration or much respect back from them.

I could write a post from here to the moon about this stuff.

and for a long time presidents stepped down after two terms out of tradition if i remember right. presidents nowadays wouldnt stop if they didn't have to

 

[shortstop20]

and for a long time presidents stepped down after two terms out of tradition if i remember right. presidents nowadays wouldnt stop if they didn't have to

You are right, it was out of tradition(that Washington started). I believe it was during the Eisenhower Administration that the amendment was passed that a person cannot serve more than two terms or 10 years as President.

FDR was actually elected to four terms, but died shortly after starting his 4th term. Truman was selected as his running mate for this very reason. Every leader of Democratic party(and probably FDR too) knew that he would die soon so they needed someone that could step up to the plate. The public did not know how bad his health was. He was almost never seen in his wheelchair, not very many photos of him exist in his wheelchair during his time as president.

We've all seen this famous picture.

That door was put in for FDR so that the leg rests on his wheelchair would not hit the desk. Sorry for the off topic.

 

[swampwater]

Actually this started in the early 1900's, got to moving quickly with the creation of the Federal Reserve and the imposition, illegaly, of the income tax and is just moving faster and faster towards the goal of gradually destroying the rights and freedoms of the American middle class so we can be comfortably merged with the rest of the communist world. Swampy

History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied it all my life. I think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
We learn just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the 700B we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (now violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it wants marriage to remain between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?). We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government, our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and know precisely what I am talking about) -- the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x ten. And we are at war with an enemy we cannot name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And now we have elected a man no one knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin’s pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: change.
Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning.
And I thought I would never be able to experience what the ordinary, moral German felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the savior was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they did know was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory and promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully them into submission. And then, he was duly elected to office, a full-throttled economic crisis at hand [the Great Depression]. Slowly but surely he seized the controls of government power, department by department, person by person, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The kids joined a Youth Movement in his name, where they were taught what to think. How did he get the people on his side? He did it promising jobs to the jobless, money to the moneyless, and goodies for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe, and across the world.
He did it with a compliant media -- did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and . . . change. And the people surely got what they voted for.
(Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.)
Read your history books. Many people objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and made fun of. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
Don't forget that Germany was the most educated, cultured country in Europe. It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And in less than six years -- a shorter time span than just two terms of the U.S. presidency -- it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.
Some people scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. Perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe -- and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am.

TPS

 

[J-Fly]

This is hilarious. Democrats said the same thing about George Bush while he was in office. Now, the Republicans are saying the same thing about Obama. Guess, what? You are both RIGHT. The Democrats and the Republicans are the SAME PARTY. Its an illusion of choice, when really, we have no choice. Obama is just going to finish what Bush started. We are moving towards a civil war between rich and poor, or left and right. Out of this will come a New Wold Order, or a One World Government. Something like that. We need to get rid of this republic fake democratic, money worshipping government, and start a real democracy, where the government is actually run BY the people and the votes really count.

 

[ericbigbore]

This is hilarious. Democrats said the same thing about George Bush while he was in office. Now, the Republicans are saying the same thing about Obama. Guess, what? You are both RIGHT. The Democrats and the Republicans are the SAME PARTY. Its an illusion of choice, when really, we have no choice. Obama is just going to finish what Bush started. We are moving towards a civil war between rich and poor, or left and right. Out of this will come a New Wold Order, or a One World Government. Something like that. We need to get rid of this republic fake democratic, money worshipping government, and start a real democracy, where the government is actually run BY the people and the votes really count.

This pains me to say this but,,, I kinda agree with J-fly.

 

[swampwater]

This is hilarious. Democrats said the same thing about George Bush while he was in office. Now, the Republicans are saying the same thing about Obama. Guess, what? You are both RIGHT. The Democrats and the Republicans are the SAME PARTY. Its an illusion of choice, when really, we have no choice. Obama is just going to finish what Bush started. We are moving towards a civil war between rich and poor, or left and right. Out of this will come a New Wold Order, or a One World Government. Something like that. We need to get rid of this republic fake democratic, money worshipping government, and start a real democracy, where the government is actually run BY the people and the votes really count.

Remember, Freedom Isn't Free"
A government big enough to give you everything you want,
is big enough to take away everything you have.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

The problem is not the form of government it is the complacency of the citizens who have not put forth the effort to inform themselves of the issues and elect those who would stand by the constitution.
A very good dissrtation by a former aquaintence Mr. Robert Welch:

On the basis of all known past human experience, are there any general conclusions, with regard to the organization of society, which can be set forth with confidence? It seems to me clear that there certainly are.
1. First, government is necessary -- some degree of government -- in any civilized society. There are believers in the possibility and desirability of a governmentless anarchy, as a practicable form of human association. But the number of these advocates is comparatively very small, there is no evidence within human historical experience to support their thesis, and there is considerable evidence indicating otherwise.
2. Second, while government is necessary, it is basically a non-productive expense, an overhead cost supported by the productive economy. And like all overhead items, it always has a tendency to expand faster than the productive base which supports it.
3. Third, government is frequently evil. And we do not mean by this that they (governments) are merely dishonest. For all governments, with very rare exceptions indeed, are thoroughly dishonest. We made the statement in print, about two years ago, that there has never in the history of the world been a government (and this generalization includes our present one) that maintained honesty in the handling of a "managed" irredeemable currency. A few weeks later one of America's ablest and best-known economists quoted that statement with full approval.
But what we are talking about here is something far worse than dishonesty. In December, 1956, Professor Sorokin of Harvard -- after quoting Lord Acton that great men, in the political arena, are almost always bad men -- went on to reveal the results of his own survey of the criminality of rulers. This survey of the monarchs of various countries and the heads of various republics and democracies, in a selection large enough to constitute a very fair sample, revealed that there was an average of one murderer to every four of these rulers. "In other words, " said Professor Sorokin, "the rulers of the states are the most criminal group in a respective population.
With a limitation of their power their criminality tends to decrease; but it still remains exceptionally high in all nations. An obvious reason for this is the greater temptation to criminality on the part of those who control or influence the police power of a nation, of which they would otherwise stand in more fear. Another is that ambitious men with criminal tendencies naturally gravitate into government because of this very prospect of doing, or helping to do, the policing over themselves.
A third reason is that so many apologists can always be found, for criminal acts of governments, on the grounds that such acts ultimately contribute to the public good and that therefore the criminal means are justified by the righteous ends. Kautilya wrote his Arthashastra in about 300 B. C. Machiavelli wrote his Il Principe in about 1500 A.D. And the arguments of both, that it is a virtue in a ruler to be unscrupulous for the good of his state, are heard in every age.
4. Fourth, government is always and inevitably an enemy of individual freedom. It seems rather strange that it was Woodrow Wilson, who more than any other one man started this nation on its present road towards totalitarianism, who also said that the history of human liberty is a history of the limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it. But Wilson could have boasted, as did Charles II of England, that he said only wise things even though he did only foolish ones. It is self-evident that government, by its very nature, must be an enemy of freedom, edging always towards a restriction of the individual's rights and responsibilities.
5. Whatever must be done by government will always cost more than if it could be done by individuals or smaller groups. And the larger the government, the more disproportionate will be the cost. Letting a government do anything, therefore, which such individuals or smaller groups could properly do, is serious economic wastefulness. It is also contrary to the philosophy of the proper function of government that is derived from the whole body of past experiments.
6. Government, by its size, its momentum, and its authority, will not only perpetuate errors of doctrine or of policy, longer than they would otherwise retain acceptance, but it will multiply their effect on a geometric scale, as against the arithmetically cumulative effect of those errors if confined to individuals or smaller groups. The errors of tens of thousands of individuals, all thinking and probing in different directions and moved by different impulses, tend to cancel themselves out or to be softened by the attrition of doubt and disagreement.
But let any one error become sanctified by government, and thus crystallized as truth, and little short of a revolution can discredit it or cause it to be discarded. An easy illustration of this principle is the witchcraft terror in the early days of the colonial government of Massachusetts. If there had been no governmental power to give phantasmagoria the semblance of reality by official decree, the common sense of a majority of the citizens would have kept this manifestation of fanaticism from ever having such widespread support and cruel results. But once government had authoritatively said "This is truth," then the hitherto doubting citizen was willing to join others like himself in accepting it as truth. And we have at least a dozen idiocies, equally repugnant to man's common sense and sound experience, being perpetuated by our government in Washington today.
7. As any society becomes reasonably settled, and shakes down into a semi-permanent pattern of economic and political life, and as some degree of leisure on the part of its citizens becomes both possible and visible, the drive always begins to have government become the management of the social enterprise rather than merely its agent for certain clear purposes. Government is then increasingly allowed, invited, and even urged to do planning for, and exercise control over, the total economy of the nation. Next, it is pushed, and pushes itself, more and more into planning and control of the separate activities of the citizens and groups of citizens that make up the economic life of the nation. And in doing such planning and exercising such controls the government must assume more and more of the responsibility for the success of the economy and the welfare of its citizens.
Of course no government, short of being omniscient, can ever plan the specialized division of labor and the beneficial interchange of the various products

 

[Cyle]

Your giving Obama WAY to much credit comparing him to someone like Hitler. Now don't get me wrong i'm not saying Hitler was good, but he actually did things, and not all was bad.

Obama is either very stupid or very smart. Through his campaign all he said is "change" he never said ANY real things he would do. How can anyone vote for someone like that? Someone who just says things, but cannot give concrete promises of it. And you HAVE to know even the people who where dumb enough to vote for Obama are going to wake up eventully, though he probably couldn't careless. Anyone from day 1 who couldn't see he was just another suit wearing lawyer who spewed lies to get into office is blind. Hitler took a stumbling economy and turned it into one of the best in the world during the depression, what other leader in history has done such a thing? Obama doesn't have a hope of helping the economy. Hitler had the wrong idea of Jew's, but he was EXTREMLY smart, and I have no doubt, if it wasn't for that, he would be down as one of the best leaders ever.

There is way to many one sided "facts" about Hitler that people portary him as, but I mean who wants to think someone who could do such a thing to jew's, would be considered a good leader? I mean look at how he took Germany's military, from being completely destroyed in WWI, to fighting the 4 of the other top countries in the world at once. He kept support because the economy got better. Yes he got into peoples heads and ended up bad in the end, but he did a LOT of good things Obama can only dream of doing.

I can see SOME similar things, but Obama is nowhere near as smart or as good of leader as Hitler.

 

[woodzy]

Hitler was a good leader, yes. I would agree with that. He got too greedy with the world domination... What he did to the jews/gypsies/etc was horrifying, and it overtook the positive aspects of his leadership. And no, Obama will never go down as being anywhere near a "good" leader. We'll be paying for his mistakes until our great grandchildren are old.

 

[Clarke673]

I can tell you exactly why Obama will never be a Hitler. Its simple, I wasn’t alive to shoot Hitler in the face 80 years ago. Obama would sure be easy to spot, just go to the white house and shoot the only black guy in the joint. I am sure there are thousands of Americans out there that would do the same, and that’s exactly why he is not taking my guns away.

 

[swampwater]

When you stop to think about it I woner how many in all 3 branches have ever held a job outside of the government trough. Wish I had the time to get the statistics, I bet their would be very few. Swampy

I used to have this cool place mat a while ago. It showed all the presidents and there occupations that they held. It was interesting to see the change from the beginning and people in the military / generals, lawyers, doctors, engineers, and how the switch was slowly changed to "politician" as a career / occupation.

Yes, it should not be a career. I think the change from career politicians to short time servers would be a hard one, as the newbies would have a tough time getting through all the messed up agreements and convoluted bills that are out there. The good news, is that they would probably simplify the crap out of things, out of necessity.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

 

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