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[Snorider]

WDW I like your post but we disagree with one thing, the fires.

we could have a whole think on that one, but even though it was only a 100 some add years ago when my family homesteaded out here, the fires were nothing to be afraid of, cause when a fire started they were slow moving cleaned up the forest really nice and it was healthy, remember all the huge timber that used to grow, the fires weeded out all the pecker poles and super dense under brush we now have since "Smokey the Bear" came to being. and I doubt anyone will try and argue that the forests are in better shape now then back then.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

Not trying to start a argument over opinions, but to here my wifes 81 year old grandfather that has lived in West Glacier most of his life describe what the glaciers looked like when he hiked around the park and the pictures in his house look like compared to what I have seen there is a pretty definate answer for me, and to hear him say how much it has changed in his life time is also another answer. I lived in good ol'hippie town missoula for 6 years and skied all around the park in the summer as well as in the winter and I can tell you things have changed from when I first skied there and the last time. When I moved to MT I had now opinion at all and did not even consider global warming because I lived in Texas and it was like hell there all the time so I thought every where was like that, boy was I wrong. Now in AK, hike to some of the glaciers and on the trail you will see signs of where the glacier was, I saw one sign from 1990 and we still hiked another mile to get to edge of the glacier. Talk to one grey hair and he told me the glacier's edge was right where a visitors center now sits in 1975. I just try to make my opinions from what I learn and what I learn from people much older than me, when a elderly man or woman starts to talk I pull up a chair and shut up, maybe more people can learn a thing or twenty this way.

Your short timeline of observing temp swings and glacier sizes in Glacier Paks isn't even a berry seed in a big steaming pile of bearchit.

Go back to the dark ages and tell me what the size of the glaciers were?(the Earth was even warmer then, than it has been in the last 50 years)
Go back to Cretaceous period and the earth was way warmer than anything man has seen.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

WDW I like your post but we disagree with one thing, the fires.

we could have a whole think on that one, but even though it was only a 100 some add years ago when my family homesteaded out here, the fires were nothing to be afraid of, cause when a fire started they were slow moving cleaned up the forest really nice and it was healthy, remember all the huge timber that used to grow, the fires weeded out all the pecker poles and super dense under brush we now have since "Smokey the Bear" came to being. and I doubt anyone will try and argue that the forests are in better shape now then back then.

You sure you didn't get it backwards? Up here in NE WA I can't hardly step off the backroads for all the brush thats built up. 100 years ago fires would have burned the brush down and it would have looked like a park. Grasses could grow and Elk/Deer etc would benefit, not only that the burnt brush would fertilize the soil.

Indians used to set fires as often as they could

decent read http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mostert/071022

 

[snopropanther]

its the earth doing its thing. someone needs to sue al goer for the fraud he is.

 

[Snorider]

You sure you didn't get it backwards? Up here in NE WA I can't hardly step off the backroads for all the brush thats built up. 100 years ago fires would have burned the brush down and it would have looked like a park. Grasses could grow and Elk/Deer etc would benefit, not only that the burnt brush would fertilize the soil.

Indians used to set fires as often as they could

decent read http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mostert/071022

I think you misread my post or I f*cted up and stated it wrong i'll reread imy own post just to amke sure, but i was saying the forests were far better then than now.

And i know about NE WA I'm 30 min., well in the summer at least, from you

 

[powdersrider11]

Global warming is a joke. Say you pour yourself a glass of water then you put two ice cubes in it. The two ice cubes melt. Even with the two ice cubes melted the water will be the same level as it was before the two ice cubes were even put into the glass. It's the same with global warming and the "melting" glaciers. Basic chemistry *****es.

 

[snopropanther]

Global warming is a joke. Say you pour yourself a glass of water then you put two ice cubes in it. The two ice cubes melt. Even with the two ice cubes melted the water will be the same level as it was before the two ice cubes were even put into the glass. It's the same with global warming and the "melting" glaciers. Basic chemistry *****es.

but if the glass is empty that doesnt apply

 

[mod03rmk800]

Heck, hardly any name calling. We must have ridable snow nowadays.

 

[AkHockey10]

Its been -25*F since the day after Christmas here. Coldest it has gotten (in town) was -33*F a couple days ago. Shoot, by Monday they are saying it will get up as high as 0*F to 5* above. YAHOO! thats t-shirt weather right there folks! LOL. (my coldest winter experience ever!)

Global Warming, what?

 

[snopropanther]

Its been -25*F since the day after Christmas here. Coldest it has gotten (in town) was -33*F a couple days ago. Shoot, by Monday they are saying it will get up as high as 0*F to 5* above. YAHOO! thats t-shirt weather right there folks! LOL. (my coldest winter experience ever!)

Global Warming, what?

we've had 4 days near 0F in the last month. ya its def warming up outside. actually tomorrow is supposed to be -5F which is gonna be nice for a change. but then back to the deep freeze they say.

 

[Raff_9001M]

When climate change discussion turned into a political and economic discussion all science at least credible science seemed to go out the window.

 

[AKtoad]

When climate change discussion turned into a political and economic discussion all science at least credible science seemed to go out the window.

I agree with that, even though mr.know it all from NE Washington seems to have everything in order on a specific timeline of events for the last millenia. WW I don't disagree about the fact that one century is very small compared to age of our planet I was just pointing out how it has changed according to the people around me. I do agree with you about all the fuel that is on the forest floor in the north west.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

I agree with that, even though mr.know it all from NE Washington seems to have everything in order on a specific timeline of events for the last millenia. WW I don't disagree about the fact that one century is very small compared to age of our planet I was just pointing out how it has changed according to the people around me. I do agree with you about all the fuel that is on the forest floor in the north west.

I spent some time up in glacier park two summers ago, I'm still irritated at the global warming crap they were feeding the tourists. Truth is our Grandfathers went thru a mini ice age and the globe has since warmed up, that doesn't mean the glaciers your grandfather knew have been there since creation..they've grown and shrunk 100's of times..bet you a or three they are growing now and perhaps they'll reach that sign and visitor center again before you kick off.

Global Warming is a monumental scandal, what makes it work is we all can see some elements of truth.

 

[Scott]

I didn't do so well in school but haven't the glaciers been melting for thousands of years now? And aren't people on this planet just a blink of an eye to earths history? What enabled dinosaurs to inhabit the world and why did they disappear? What happens when the relationship of earth and the moon shifts a little bit? What keeps the earth from just flying away from the sun as the suns mass becomes smaller. Would the powers that be really tell us if our extinction were eminate?(sp)
Gosh so many questions, so many self serving answers.

Yep, they sure have. They've been calling that the ice age cycle....
I agree with that.
I guess I should have added more to my post...they've been taking pictures of them in Glacier for the past 150 years...that's about all they can see from a pictoral record....that's all I meant by that.

 

[mcgyver]

just a little thought.......

when Mount Pinatubo in the phillipines erupted a few years back, in one event, it puked out more greenhouse gasses than man has ever or will ever produce..... How insignificant are we, really?

 

[blazer71]

And who is telling the "lie" and why would you lie about that.


Hmm must been a diabolical plot devised by the greenies in their attempt to make Al Gore the facist leader of a Subaru nation...

DUDE, REALLY?? Because you can capitalize on everything. Companies can sell there service for industrial cleaners, scrubbers, filters, material handling, and such, the list goes on and on and on. The goverment can establish energy credits, emissions standards that require financial penalties to be paid for not meeting them, etc etc etc etc. It is all about money!!!!

Politians are money grubbing liars who are out to line their pockets. For example, the opposite of the alledged big oil ties to George W. Bush. Lets say Al Gore passes emissions standards that require the use of device, practice, or method that his pompass golfing buddies happen to own one of the few enterprises that comply, sell, or market the strategies or technologies to make it happen.

Voila, instant in bed recipe for lining pockets.

 

[JJFlash]

Challenge authority.

 

[Freak]

Challenge authority.

Most excellent

 

[akmclean]

Global warming is a joke. Say you pour yourself a glass of water then you put two ice cubes in it. The two ice cubes melt. Even with the two ice cubes melted the water will be the same level as it was before the two ice cubes were even put into the glass. It's the same with global warming and the "melting" glaciers. Basic chemistry *****es.

Haha what???

If you add water, in any form, to a container of water, the level is going to rise, if only just a little.

 

[mcgyver]

Haha what???

If you add water, in any form, to a container of water, the level is going to rise, if only just a little.

I thought the same exact thing when I read that.....Huh????


I must have missed that part of chemistry class.... LOL