more perspective of cost of illegal aliens

[Bkinz]

In summit county you can there are places where you can buy SS#'s, birth certificates, drivers licenses, etc. Thats how all the illegals get jobs at Vail Resorts, Mcdonalds, etc. Its not that hard to get a SS# or use someone else's. There are lots of illegals with SS#'s that pay income tax. We have a large percentage of Mexicans in Summit County, and i have had Mexicans tell me about these places. Some of this stuff goes on at those liittle Mexican Grocery stores.[/QUOute

Ya, true you can buy just about anything theses days. But how did they make enough money to buy all of this in the first place?

 

[Ollie]

In summit county you can there are places where you can buy SS#'s, birth certificates, drivers licenses, etc. Thats how all the illegals get jobs at Vail Resorts, Mcdonalds, etc. Its not that hard to get a SS# or use someone else's. There are lots of illegals with SS#'s that pay income tax. We have a large percentage of Mexicans in Summit County, and i have had Mexicans tell me about these places. Some of this stuff goes on at those liittle Mexican Grocery stores.

There are 2 programs that would catch these kinds of criminals.
One is called "No Match". They are sent out by the SS admin. They tell a company that the persons SS doesn't match their name or that there are multiple accounts with that SS.
The second is called "E-Verify". Same thing as "No Match" but is instantly accessable by buisness wishing to adhere to the law.

Also, those people filing income tax reports using someone elses SS are reeking havic on the actual persons life.
Lets say you are going along fat dumb and happy when you get a letter from the IRS stating you owe back taxes. Come to find out, your SS was stolen and sold to 30 illigals. Now those illigals all use your SS to get jobs. The companies they work for send in financial reports based on those SS numbers.
Guess who is on the hook for those taxes?
Sure ain't the illigals.
It's you. Now you can get those taken care off and removed from your account. Of cource during that 5 - 10 year period your credit is destroyed (even after you get it striaght it is still destroyed), you can't get loans or they are at outragious rates, your wages can and will be garnished, etc......

It destroys your life.
So if you are going to say they have SS and file income tax forms, at least understand it is a crime and they are destroying honest families lives.
Oh, and if you are told about these document mills, have you reported them?
Or are you one of those that since it hasn't affected you "yet", then it's not your problem?

 

[Ollie]

In summit county you can there are places where you can buy SS#'s, birth certificates, drivers licenses, etc. Thats how all the illegals get jobs at Vail Resorts, Mcdonalds, etc. Its not that hard to get a SS# or use someone else's. There are lots of illegals with SS#'s that pay income tax. We have a large percentage of Mexicans in Summit County, and i have had Mexicans tell me about these places. Some of this stuff goes on at those liittle Mexican Grocery stores.[/QUOute

Ya, true you can buy just about anything theses days. But how did they make enough money to buy all of this in the first place?

You can get fake id's for under 200 dollars. You can make that in a couple days of day laboring.

 

[Super B]

There are 2 programs that would catch these kinds of criminals.
One is called "No Match". They are sent out by the SS admin. They tell a company that the persons SS doesn't match their name or that there are multiple accounts with that SS.
The second is called "E-Verify". Same thing as "No Match" but is instantly accessable by buisness wishing to adhere to the law.

Also, those people filing income tax reports using someone elses SS are reeking havic on the actual persons life.
Lets say you are going along fat dumb and happy when you get a letter from the IRS stating you owe back taxes. Come to find out, your SS was stolen and sold to 30 illigals. Now those illigals all use your SS to get jobs. The companies they work for send in financial reports based on those SS numbers.
Guess who is on the hook for those taxes?
Sure ain't the illigals.
It's you. Now you can get those taken care off and removed from your account. Of cource during that 5 - 10 year period your credit is destroyed (even after you get it striaght it is still destroyed), you can't get loans or they are at outragious rates, your wages can and will be garnished, etc......

It destroys your life.
So if you are going to say they have SS and file income tax forms, at least understand it is a crime and they are destroying honest families lives.
Oh, and if you are told about these document mills, have you reported them?
Or are you one of those that since it hasn't affected you "yet", then it's not your problem?

Thanks for posting this Ollie! I was about to post something similar.

 

[J-Fly]

There are 2 programs that would catch these kinds of criminals.
One is called "No Match". They are sent out by the SS admin. They tell a company that the persons SS doesn't match their name or that there are multiple accounts with that SS.
The second is called "E-Verify". Same thing as "No Match" but is instantly accessable by buisness wishing to adhere to the law.

Also, those people filing income tax reports using someone elses SS are reeking havic on the actual persons life.
Lets say you are going along fat dumb and happy when you get a letter from the IRS stating you owe back taxes. Come to find out, your SS was stolen and sold to 30 illigals. Now those illigals all use your SS to get jobs. The companies they work for send in financial reports based on those SS numbers.
Guess who is on the hook for those taxes?
Sure ain't the illigals.
It's you. Now you can get those taken care off and removed from your account. Of cource during that 5 - 10 year period your credit is destroyed (even after you get it striaght it is still destroyed), you can't get loans or they are at outragious rates, your wages can and will be garnished, etc......

It destroys your life.
So if you are going to say they have SS and file income tax forms, at least understand it is a crime and they are destroying honest families lives.
Oh, and if you are told about these document mills, have you reported them?
Or are you one of those that since it hasn't affected you "yet", then it's not your problem?

I dont report them because i figure everyone already knows. Obviously the authorities in Summit County and Colorado dont care about the illegals, they would rather write tickets to people riding bikes than enforce immigration laws.

 

[Ollie]

I dont report them because i figure everyone already knows. Obviously the authorities in Summit County and Colorado dont care about the illegals, they would rather write tickets to people riding bikes than enforce immigration laws.

And you know this how?
OH that's right, you don't because you didn't report it.
The "everyone already knows about it" defence is a cop out.

 

[J-Fly]

And you know this how?
OH that's right, you don't because you didn't report it.
The "everyone already knows about it" defence is a cop out.

I know this because there are thousands of illegals in Summit, and they do nothing about it. Local law enforcement cant arrest an illegal for being illegal, only ICE can. Also i dont know exzactly where this place is. I dont like cops, and i have never been a rat. If the place was a murderfactory or something maybe i would call it in. 10-4

 

[Ollie]

I know this because there are thousands of illegals in Summit, and they do nothing about it. Local law enforcement cant arrest an illegal for being illegal, only ICE can. Also i dont know exzactly where this place is. I dont like cops, and i have never been a rat. If the place was a murderfactory or something maybe i would call it in. 10-4

So what you are saying is you enjoy being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

It's amazing to me how many people claim they hate cops, right up to the point where they need help. Then they love the police.
And you would be WRONG about only ICE can.
ICE deals with illigals, however, counterfiet (sp?) ID's is a state and federal crime. It is enforcable by local police.
Had you gone to the police station, called, or contacted ICE, you would know this.

 

[J-Fly]

So what you are saying is you enjoy being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

It's amazing to me how many people claim they hate cops, right up to the point where they need help. Then they love the police.
And you would be WRONG about only ICE can.
ICE deals with illigals, however, counterfiet (sp?) ID's is a state and federal crime. It is enforcable by local police.
Had you gone to the police station, called, or contacted ICE, you would know this.

I dont think there IS a problem. Thats your problem.

I agree that conterfiet can be enforced by local police, but i was using the point about ICE to show that local police arent really concerned with the problem of illegals, nor is it even the job to be concerned. I dont have any proof that would even deserve a search warrant. I dont know where the place is, or who works there, i just know they have them. Just like i know there are places on Colfax where you can get a hooker and a crack rock. Should i call the Denver Police Department and report that there are drug dealers on Colfax? Maybe you are the problem?

 

[Bkinz]

You can get fake id's for under 200 dollars. You can make that in a couple days of day laboring.

How do you know that? lol

 

[Bkinz]

Been there done that type of thing? lol

 

[Ollie]

How do you know that? lol

They busted a place in Greeley that was making fake id's and selling them for under 200 bucks.
That is how I know.
They then used the info they got from the place they busted to go after the people that were using the stolen id's.
Oh but wait.
The ACLU came in and suid and shut down that operation since the criminals that were using the stolen ID's claimed they knew they were breaking "the" law, just not that specific law. There fore they couldn't be charged.

the ACLU won.

 

[Ollie]

I dont think there IS a problem. Thats your problem.

I agree that conterfiet can be enforced by local police, but i was using the point about ICE to show that local police arent really concerned with the problem of illegals, nor is it even the job to be concerned. I dont have any proof that would even deserve a search warrant. I dont know where the place is, or who works there, i just know they have them. Just like i know there are places on Colfax where you can get a hooker and a crack rock. Should i call the Denver Police Department and report that there are drug dealers on Colfax? Maybe you are the problem?

That has to be one of the most retarded statements I have read in a LONG time.
AND I ARGUE WITH RUFFY!

You stated you know people that have them.
"i have had Mexicans tell me about these places"
Have you reported those people?

You don't think there is a problem?!
Wow.
How old are you?

 

[Bkinz]

They busted a place in Greeley that was making fake id's and selling them for under 200 bucks.
That is how I know.
They then used the info they got from the place they busted to go after the people that were using the stolen id's.
Oh but wait.
The ACLU came in and suid and shut down that operation since the criminals that were using the stolen ID's claimed they knew they were breaking "the" law, just not that specific law. There fore they couldn't be charged.

the ACLU won.

oh, ok I was just kinda being a smart ace. lol
But geez, how many people had the fakes? That is so stupid that they didn't get charged for ANYTHING.

 

[ruffryder]

oh, ok I was just kinda being a smart ace. lol
But geez, how many people had the fakes? That is so stupid that they didn't get charged for ANYTHING.

I thought they didn't get charged with Identity Theft, but they still got charged with using fake documents.

The thought was Identity theft implies intent, while they just thought they were getting numbers.

 

[Bkinz]

I thought they didn't get charged with Identity Theft, but they still got charged with using fake documents.

The thought was Identity theft implies intent, while they just thought they were getting numbers.

That would make sense.

 

[Numbnuts918]

The hard fact of truth in this deboggle is that our own S.S. is taking a huge hit in the pants, that everyone is supposed to pay into, & when we get to a point in life where its time to hang it up & enjoy life, it simply wont be there to use when its needed. Im scared to death about what my own daughter is going to have to endure in her career & retirement due to this failing government & economy. Me myself, well...my last day of work Ill walk out the door straight into a hearse, Im enjoying the hell out of myself every day I can get. I have NO issues with ANY person or persons leaving a bad situation to better themselves, even to another country if need be. Just learn the language, legally obtain a job, & make something of yourself. As for the leaches who take advantage of the world around them I believe I speak for alot....Get The Hell Out!!!

 

[Ollie]

I thought they didn't get charged with Identity Theft, but they still got charged with using fake documents.

The thought was Identity theft implies intent, while they just thought they were getting numbers.

Correct.
However, as a result of the ACLU suit, the state was stopped from any prosecution of any kind in relation to the arrest of the original counterfeiter.
All records were returned and all charges were dropped against the people that bought the fake id's.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

YOu're funny. If we built a wall, it would be to keep people IN Mexico. A lot of illegals pay taxes and dont collect them back at the end of the year, because they dont know how, or are to scared to file their taxes in April.

Most illegals earn their wages in cash. It's cheaper for the employer to pay lower wages and write it off as a cash expense. Some shadier employers use their own SSN on these illegals and have themselves paid more and then depositing the extra large check in the bank and leaving some cash out to pay the illegals.

In order to pay in on income taxes, you have to have a SS#. And the last time I checked, illegals do not have one.

True, but there are ways around it. Thus, we go back to the shady employer.

I know this because there are thousands of illegals in Summit, and they do nothing about it. Local law enforcement cant arrest an illegal for being illegal, only ICE can. Also i dont know exzactly where this place is. I dont like cops, and i have never been a rat. If the place was a murderfactory or something maybe i would call it in. 10-4

There are thousands in every county. And yes, local police, deputies and State Patrol can arrest illegals. But the three local counties don't have the manpower to enforce and the District Judges and DAs will not prosecute. Illegals can be detained for deportation but that too is a very HIGH cost to the local law enforcement agencies, just another way to keep the local cops' hands tied.

 

[J-Fly]

Most illegals earn their wages in cash. It's cheaper for the employer to pay lower wages and write it off as a cash expense. Some shadier employers use their own SSN on these illegals and have themselves paid more and then depositing the extra large check in the bank and leaving some cash out to pay the illegals.


True, but there are ways around it. Thus, we go back to the shady employer.

There are thousands in every county. And yes, local police, deputies and State Patrol can arrest illegals. But the three local counties don't have the manpower to enforce and the District Judges and DAs will not prosecute. Illegals can be detained for deportation but that too is a very HIGH cost to the local law enforcement agencies, just another way to keep the local cops' hands tied.

They cant bust illegals, but they are worried about ticketing kids on bikes http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20090709/NEWS/907089988/1055

Just another reason i cant stand cops. Giving people tickets on bikes, and busting medical marijuana farmers, while letting illegal aliens take over the city. Why should i care if Mexicans walk across the border, when even the cops dont. Those Mexicans sure do buy a lot of pizza, and its not illegal to sell it to them.