more perspective of cost of illegal aliens

[WFO or go home]

People who think like J-fly are the reason the world ecenomy is in such a pickle.

Some of the most intelligent people I know are in construction.......because they enjoy it.....not for the money.

 

[ericsmallbore]

Normally said by those that have alters...

LOL! What are you talking about? Sometimes I ride my wifes 600 and sometimes it's the 975.

 

[J-Fly]

People who think like J-fly are the reason the world ecenomy is in such a pickle.

Some of the most intelligent people I know are in construction.......because they enjoy it.....not for the money.

I agree. I have lots of great friends that are in construction. I wasnt trying to knock construction. I was trying to make a point, that if your job doesnt require communication, reading, writing, computer skills, math, ect than you will be easily replaced by someone else, and your wage may not be as high. Not to be rude, but most illegals dont speak english, and dont have a basic highschool education.

I am in food service, and its definitely not for the money. I enjoy it, and it allows me to work at night and snowboard and snowmobile all day. I dont worry about an illegal taking my job because they wouldnt be able to run a million dollar a year business without speaking english, and being able to manage spreadsheets, send emails, fix computers, phones, etc. I would never hire an illegal, because that would put my business at risk. I get frustrated trying to communicate with all the illegals and legals that dont speak english and try to order pizza. I understand these are some of the poorest people on the planet, and they are just trying to make a better life. I would do the same thing for my family.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

We are all immigrants, and we are all humans. Lets take care of everyone. One day america will be gone, and humans will still be here. We should just make Mexico a state, or leave Iraq, and send aid to Mexico. If we help fix their economy, there will be no reason for Mexicans to immigrate here. Joe Legal should use his education and get a better job than construction. If Joe Legal is worring about an illiterate, uneducated, worker that doesnt speak english taking his job, then he should get an education, and find a job where he can use it. I know no illegal will take my job, because i have an education, and you cant do my job without it. You have to have a skill these days. $25 an hour is too much for a job that requires no education.

Education?? You are a self admitted pot head, you bragged about being in a sledding accident without wearing a helmet while flying down a trail with a passenger on your sled. You openly brag about riding Out of Bounds or Wilderness areas and you continue to flame away about being educated. You also have admitted multiple times through posts, reps and PM's that you sling pizza. That does not require skill, education and so on. You should be worried about Joe Illegal taking your job. I have been to many establishments in Summit, Routt, Eagle, Grand and pretty much any other Counties in Colorado where the cooks, hosts and waitstaff are obviously illegal or at the very least unable to communicate using the language that America was based on.

IMO, a high school diploma is not considered "Higher Education". It is a good start to furthering your education. These days the Jose Illegal's children can cruise through school (K thru 12) and graduate with a diploma and have NEVER learned English because some Liberal azzclown decided that it would be better to hire Spanish speaking teachers to teach the kids in Spanish instead of teaching them English. Hence, a distraction to the other students who are learning in English. Then these Spanish educated children of Jose Illegal qualify for grants and scholarships because the are a "Minority", Jose has no documented income and most likely not married to the mother, therefore increasing the benefits of these children of Jose Illegal. I believe that some have dubbed these children with the title. "Anchor Babies".

You should stop spouting off about education when MANY other peeps on this site actually have a higher education that they paid for themsleves and that does include me. Just because a person has an education doesn't mean that they can secure and keep a job. I know that first hand.

 

[Good to Go]

I agree. I have lots of great friends that are in construction. I wasnt trying to knock construction. I was trying to make a point, that if your job doesnt require communication, reading, writing, computer skills, math, ect than you will be easily replaced by someone else, and your wage may not be as high. Not to be rude, but most illegals dont speak english, and dont have a basic highschool education.

I am in food service, and its definitely not for the money. I enjoy it, and it allows me to work at night and snowboard and snowmobile all day. I dont worry about an illegal taking my job because they wouldnt be able to run a million dollar a year business without speaking english, and being able to manage spreadsheets, send emails, fix computers, phones, etc. I would never hire an illegal, because that would put my business at risk. I get frustrated trying to communicate with all the illegals and legals that dont speak english and try to order pizza. I understand these are some of the poorest people on the planet, and they are just trying to make a better life. I would do the same thing for my family.

News flash: You did insult folks in the trades. BTW, I can assure you there are more spreadsheets, emails and phones in construction than any friggen' pizza joint. You have got to be kidding me...

You've got all these ideas and none of the dots connect. Must be hell getting up in the morning, trying to figure out whether to wear your socialist or capitalist t-shirt.

You'd never "hire an illegal" but yet it's ok for them to come in to this nation?? WTF...? Oh, that's right, it feels better. You can win both sides of the argument; "I'm not part of the problem, but hey, let's save the world and open our doors".

You ARE the problem...

 

[ericsmallbore]

News flash: You did insult folks in the trades. BTW, I can assure you there are more spreadsheets, emails and phones in construction than any friggen' pizza joint. You have got to be kidding me...

You've got all these ideas and none of the dots connect. Must be hell getting up in the morning, trying to figure out whether to wear your socialist or capitalist t-shirt.

You'd never "hire an illegal" but yet it's ok for them to come in to this nation?? WTF...? Oh, that's right, it feels better. You can win both sides of the argument; "I'm not part of the problem, but hey, let's save the world and open our doors".

You're dealing with the mentality of a fence post. Pun intended.

 

[swampwater]

If we are a government of laws, then why does our government break all the laws. The laws of a corrupt government mean nothing to me. I go buy the ten commandments, and what i know is right in my heart. And the Ellis Island people didnt break any US laws, but what about the laws of the Natives that were already here for thousands of years before. The early immigrants broke tons of treaties, and systematically killed millions of Indians, there should be a law against that. Just like there was a law against invading Iraq, but the US broke that law.

If we are a government of laws, then why does our government break all the laws.

I would agree the government creates laws that violate the rights of the people but does allowing the illegals to also violate the rights of the citizens make it right. were talking effects on American Citizens not the government

The laws of a corrupt government mean nothing to me. I go buy the ten commandments, and what i know is right in my heart.

Again we are discussing the effects on the citizens who should be protected by the law not the government and if you go by the ten commandments you might have forgotten " Do not steal" if you believe these illegals have the right to bleed the legal citizens of the US dry, what do you call stealing? If I come to your house and force yopu to feed me cloth me and pay my medical bills without your permission is that not stealing?

but what about the laws of the Natives that were already here for thousands of years before.

Actually I think the Vikings came accross from greenland long before Columbas arrived so who says who was here first and who has claim on what territory They are lucky the Spanish didn't colonize, just ask the Aztecs.

Just like there was a law against invading Iraq, but the US broke that law.

Would you care to expound the law that was broken and it was a coalition that invaded Iraq. Swampy

 

[J-Fly]

Education?? You are a self admitted pot head, you bragged about being in a sledding accident without wearing a helmet while flying down a trail with a passenger on your sled. You openly brag about riding Out of Bounds or Wilderness areas and you continue to flame away about being educated. You also have admitted multiple times through posts, reps and PM's that you sling pizza. That does not require skill, education and so on. You should be worried about Joe Illegal taking your job. I have been to many establishments in Summit, Routt, Eagle, Grand and pretty much any other Counties in Colorado where the cooks, hosts and waitstaff are obviously illegal or at the very least unable to communicate using the language that America was based on.

IMO, a high school diploma is not considered "Higher Education". It is a good start to furthering your education. These days the Jose Illegal's children can cruise through school (K thru 12) and graduate with a diploma and have NEVER learned English because some Liberal azzclown decided that it would be better to hire Spanish speaking teachers to teach the kids in Spanish instead of teaching them English. Hence, a distraction to the other students who are learning in English. Then these Spanish educated children of Jose Illegal qualify for grants and scholarships because the are a "Minority", Jose has no documented income and most likely not married to the mother, therefore increasing the benefits of these children of Jose Illegal. I believe that some have dubbed these children with the title. "Anchor Babies".

You should stop spouting off about education when MANY other peeps on this site actually have a higher education that they paid for themsleves and that does include me. Just because a person has an education doesn't mean that they can secure and keep a job. I know that first hand.

Wow. First off all, I wasnt "flying down the trail" i was going slow, and was hit by someone else who was "flying down the trail." I do sling pizza, but I RUN the store. Im part owner, and General Manager. Not a glorious job, but it does take education. I have to set budgets, set prices, create menus, coupons, do payroll, hire and train staff, attend meetings, count inventory, make deposits, ect. These are all things that illegal aliens that dont speak english or never even went to school can do.

I never said that because a person has an education means that they will never lose their job. It just increases their chances of not losing their job to and illiterate person that doesnt speak any English. Im sure even you werent replace by an illegal.

I never said high school was "higher education." But regardless, an American high school diploma is a lot more education than most illegal aliens have. I guarantee you my job will never be taken by an illegal.

 

[J-Fly]

News flash: You did insult folks in the trades. BTW, I can assure you there are more spreadsheets, emails and phones in construction than any friggen' pizza joint. You have got to be kidding me...

You've got all these ideas and none of the dots connect. Must be hell getting up in the morning, trying to figure out whether to wear your socialist or capitalist t-shirt.

You'd never "hire an illegal" but yet it's ok for them to come in to this nation?? WTF...? Oh, that's right, it feels better. You can win both sides of the argument; "I'm not part of the problem, but hey, let's save the world and open our doors".

You ARE the problem...

I find it hard that illegals are doing spreadsheets, and sending emails in the construction business, how can they do that if they cant speak english? I know that construction is a complicated and exact science. I cant begin to comprehend how they build some of the buildings they do.

Why would I hire an illegal and put my business at risk? That would be stupid. I cant knock someone for trying to support their family and work.

By the way, im not socialist or capitalist, im a HUMANIST.

 

[Ollie]

ok, I gotta weigh in.

This whole thing isn't about education.
It isn't about how great they person is.
It's not about how hard they work or for what pay.

It's about the law.
It's about maintaining the integrety of a nation.
A nation is either a nation of rules and laws, or it isn't.
There will be amnesty and the next day the shooting starts.

 

[J-Fly]

ok, I gotta weigh in.

This whole thing isn't about education.
It isn't about how great they person is.
It's not about how hard they work or for what pay.

It's about the law.
It's about maintaining the integrety of a nation.
A nation is either a nation of rules and laws, or it isn't.
There will be amnesty and the next day the shooting starts.

I have zero respect for the laws of America. There are too many bs laws. Its against the law to light fireworks on Fourth of July. Thats just ridiculous. Our Nation lost its integrety a long time ago. Its time to try something differnet. There are only 10 or 20 laws we need, the rest is just a way for the government to control and monitor its citizens. So right now, i wouldnt consider this a nation of laws. There are to many laws to follow all of them.

 

[Ollie]

I have zero respect for the laws of America. So leave. Wonderful thing about this country. Your free to get the &^%$ out.

There are too many bs laws.

I'll give you that one.
Its against the law to light fireworks on Fourth of July. Thats just ridiculous.

Little difference between "I can't light my firecracker and giving amnesty to 20 million criminals PLUS all their blood relatives. you can always change the laws on firecrackers, you can't change your maind later when you find out that granting amnesty wasn't a good idea.

Our Nation had lots its integrety a long time ago.

And attitudes like your arn't going to change that now.

Its time to try something differnet.

Like what? Lets start by ENFORCING the laws we have. We can change laws that are BS, but you can't change your mind on things like amnesty. That is one bell you can't unring.

There are only 10 or 20 laws we need, the rest is just a way for the government to control and monitor its citizens. So right now, i wouldnt consider this a nation of laws. There are to many laws to follow all of them.

ok, so lets just ignore all of them.
or better yet, lets just ignore the ones that will get the correct amount of votes for the correct people.

You say you have zero respect for the laws of America.
Congrats, you are the 5th person I have given red too.
Grow up.

 

[Dano702]

I have zero respect for the laws of America. There are too many bs laws. Its against the law to light fireworks on Fourth of July. Thats just ridiculous. Our Nation lots its integrety a long time ago. Its time to try something differnet. There are only 10 or 20 laws we need, the rest is just a way for the government to control and monitor its citizens. So right now, i wouldnt consider this a nation of laws. There are to many laws to follow all of them.

You and Harry Reid , would get along just great . Nancy Pelosi would love your train of thought . Lets see ,you have no respect for the laws of our country. You want people to come hear unlawfully , but you would not hire them .

So i guess you just want to run the country into the ground as fast as you can? Are you here just to get a reaction out of people ? There are alot of people here who have served this nation , and who would die to protect the USA.

I dont know how popular you are going to be with the snow west crowd. People like you are the problem. Where did you go to school ? I want to make sure i never send money there.

 

[ericsmallbore]

I have zero respect for the laws of America. There are too many bs laws. Its against the law to light fireworks on Fourth of July. Thats just ridiculous. Our Nation lots its integrety a long time ago. Its time to try something differnet. There are only 10 or 20 laws we need, the rest is just a way for the government to control and monitor its citizens. So right now, i wouldnt consider this a nation of laws. There are to many laws to follow all of them.

Everytime you open your mouth you sound dumber pizza boy. I going to have to take back the rep I gave you.

 

[J-Fly]

ok, so lets just ignore all of them.
or better yet, lets just ignore the ones that will get the correct amount of votes for the correct people.

You say you have zero respect for the laws of America.
Congrats, you are the 5th person I have given red too.
Grow up.

I could care less about red and green. Your points make sense. I dont know about giving amnesty to all the illegals, but its not like we can just kick 11 million people out of the country and build a wall around it. We need to help the Mexicans, they are our neighbors, and fellow humans.

 

[ericbigbore]

I could care less about red and green. Your points make sense. I dont know about giving amnesty to all the illegals, but its not like we can just kick 11 million people out of the country and build a wall around it. We need to help the Mexicans, they are our neighbors, and fellow humans.

Then why are you surfing the rep threads? Did you forget not to drink the bong water today. Go smoke another bowl and break out the drum circle.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

It's illegal to light fireworks on the 4th of July?

Guess myself and some law enforcement officers were way out of line on the 4th of July.

 

[ericbigbore]

It's illegal to light fireworks on the 4th of July?

Guess myself and some law enforcement officers were way out of line on the 4th of July.

Hit him PJ!

 

[PJ-Hunter]

Hit him PJ!

Already did earlier today.

 

[Anti-Hero]

I could care less about red and green. Your points make sense. I dont know about giving amnesty to all the illegals, but its not like we can just kick 11 million people out of the country and build a wall around it. We need to help the Mexicans, they are our neighbors, and fellow humans.

Why can't we boot 11 mil out? if employers quit employing the illegals they will get out, if they are not allow to suck off the welfare and get free medical they will leave and the ones that don't throw them over the wall. The wall works, the Berlin wall had 78 known escape attemps, or in other words 78 people were killed trying to escape. Why is it that American men, women, boys and girls fight for to protect this country and then America is going to share the system with illegals that these men, women, boys and girls gave limbs and lives to protect. this is such BS if you cannot see this, you need to pack your $hit and move to Mexico and live with them, take al sharpton with you please. you two will do wonders for the Mexicans!