more perspective of cost of illegal aliens

[Sturgis Sledder]

Tell the American Indians how your family came here legally, i bet they disagree.

The American Indians took the land from someone else, there is not a piece of land in the world that has not been taken from some group by another through violence. The American Indians should be glad it wasn't the Germans and Hitler that came through the good old US of A because he used ovens to get rid of the "unwanted". The American Indians really have no opinion on my relatives that came to the US in 1911, and because I was born in the US I am a "Native American", so get over it.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

I know not all construction workers are uneducated pieces of crap. But if an illegal alien that cants speak english, read, write, or do math can take your job, then your job is to easy. Jobs like janitors, fieldworkers, ect are meant for people with not even a highschool education. Im not even talking about a college degree. Just a GED should give you an advantage over most illegals. I agree that the government should be run by working class joes, and not career politicians, that is what a democracy really IS. Going to Mexico would not be as big of a mistake as going to Iraq, or Pakistan, or Afghanistan ect.

Gotta love that fine high school education! The abbreviation ETC. is for the word etcetara, and has nothing to do with ECT. which is the abbreviation for ElectroConvulsive Therapy.

I can't believe they didn't teach you the difference between to and too either. Please tell me you know the difference between lose and loose.

 

[ruffryder]

and because I was born in the US I am a "Native American", so get over it.

hmmm... Isn't that what we say about the mexicans that have children here too?

Cutting down a person for spelling is just pathetic... It shows that is the only argument that you have, and it is a weak one.

 

[ruffryder]

The difference is, my immigrant relatives came through Ellis Island LEGALLY and they did everything legally to become US citizens,

What were the requirements? Were there any restrictions? Who was the US turning away? Were their lines to get in?

I don't think it is correct to compare immigration now as back then.

 

[ruffryder]

You have no clue! There are so many things wrong with this statement it's mind blowing. And you say you have an education. LMAO!!

Did mommy and daddy pay for that education or did you work for it and compete with Jose for those jobs? I think we know the answer and your parents should get their money back! Including the 30% that went to educate illegals that can't even get a (leagle) job in America.

"Take over Mexico and fix their economy"?????? WE CAN'T EVEN FIX OUR ECONOMY YOU FRICKEN MORON!!!!

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on SW!

Wow smallbore.. Do you say anything besides negative rants? You sure won that argument.. LMAO! I put into suspect people that only berate others especially when they are trying to prove a point that way.. bad form!

 

[J-Fly]

The American Indians took the land from someone else, there is not a piece of land in the world that has not been taken from some group by another through violence. The American Indians should be glad it wasn't the Germans and Hitler that came through the good old US of A because he used ovens to get rid of the "unwanted". The American Indians really have no opinion on my relatives that came to the US in 1911, and because I was born in the US I am a "Native American", so get over it.

Sorry for my typos. I type fast and dont really care if my grammar is 100%. Being born in the US does not make you a Native American, it makes you a human being like everyone else on the planet. Your ideals are a lot like Germany's during WWII. They were trying to get the jews out of their country, just like you want all the illegals out of yours. They thought there should only be one language, one religion, just like you have in your sig. America has always been a place for immigrants, where all people are created equal, a land of the free. A place for people from other oppressive countries to come for a better life, just as our ancestors did. The USA has a lot of stupid laws that are broken everyday, and if someone wants to come here illegally from Mexico to work for a better life, fine with me.

 

[Trinity Taz]

There's nothing wrong with an honest job no matter what it pays or what kind of education you had to earn to do it. How much money we make is always equal to or less than what we try to spend, no amount is enough unless you have happiness and pride in what you do.

That's where the problem lies. Honest, law-abiding hard working Americans suffer from a severe case of reduced pride and satisfaction in what we do for a living because there are so many lazy people who dont do their part in this country that depend on US for their equal existence in this system.

No, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an immigrant coming to this country and EARNING their way legally and honestly through an achievement of their legal citizenship... I applaud it!
When they cheapen it by working the system and screwing us Americans there is a real issue in my book.

I'm really curious what all the lazy, greedy, life-sucking, evil lamphreys in this country of OURS plan to do with it after they've milked us dry.

God help us

 

[swampwater]

The only requirement at issue is legality his came here legally and broke no law, if we are a government of laws and not men there must be respect for the law or does the law not matter to you? Swampy

What were the requirements? Were there any restrictions? Who was the US turning away? Were their lines to get in?

I don't think it is correct to compare immigration now as back then.

 

[J-Fly]

There's nothing wrong with an honest job no matter what it pays or what kind of education you had to earn to do it. How much money we make is always equal to or less than what we try to spend, no amount is enough unless you have happiness and pride in what you do.

That's where the problem lies. Honest, law-abiding hard working Americans suffer from a severe case of reduced pride and satisfaction in what we do for a living because there are so many lazy people who dont do their part in this country that depend on US for their equal existence in this system.

No, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an immigrant coming to this country and EARNING their way legally and honestly through an achievement of their legal citizenship... I applaud it!
When they cheapen it by working the system and screwing us Americans there is a real issue in my book.

I'm really curious what all the lazy, greedy, life-sucking, evil lamphreys in this country of OURS plan to do with it after they've milked us dry.

God help us

Your worried about dirt poor immigrants, when its the filthy rich that a ruining our country. The rich are the ones profiting from hiring illegals. The rich are the ones brainwashing and sending our youth to die in Iraq, to protect their oil. The rich are the ones making tons of money off intrest, and rent , and taxes. The Corporations and Politicians break more laws than any illegal immigrant everyday. You think politicians , and CEO's, and bankers work hard? You are being screwed by your own Government, not illegal aliens just trying to survive.

 

[J-Fly]

The only requirement at issue is legality his came here legally and broke no law, if we are a government of laws and not men there must be respect for the law or does the law not matter to you? Swampy

If we are a government of laws, then why does our government break all the laws. The laws of a corrupt government mean nothing to me. I go buy the ten commandments, and what i know is right in my heart. And the Ellis Island people didnt break any US laws, but what about the laws of the Natives that were already here for thousands of years before. The early immigrants broke tons of treaties, and systematically killed millions of Indians, there should be a law against that. Just like there was a law against invading Iraq, but the US broke that law.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

The USA has a lot of stupid laws that are broken everyday, and if someone wants to come here illegally from Mexico to work for a better life, fine with me.

So who do we let determine which laws are stupid or are ok to break? What if someone believes that murder is a stupid law and should be ignored and they kill your family? It's no big deal because it's a stupid law and people break laws every day anyways. Laws are for everyone, not just for those that choose to obey them. Someone coming here "ILLEGALLY" and working for a better life is keeping someone that is here legally from earning a living, you can't have it both ways. It always makes me wonder why someone would want to come to the US after escaping their own crappy country and then want the US to change to be more like the crappy country they left.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

I go buy the ten commandments, and what i know is right in my heart.

How much were they to buy?

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

Did anyone else notice that the state with the worst financial problems (California) is the exact same one with the most illegals?

 

[J-Fly]

Did anyone else notice that the state with the worst financial problems (California) is the exact same one with the most illegals?

In case you didnt notice our whole country is having financial problems. Im pretty sure every country and everyone has financial problems. California is ahead of the curve on a lot of issues compared to the rest of the states. Maybe you should join the Minutemen and go live in Texas with the rest of the cowboys. You can shoot illegals as they try to jump over the border to feed their families. If I was a starving Mexican, i know i would come to the US and work, no matter if i was illegal or legal.

 

[J-Fly]

So who do we let determine which laws are stupid or are ok to break? What if someone believes that murder is a stupid law and should be ignored and they kill your family? It's no big deal because it's a stupid law and people break laws every day anyways. Laws are for everyone, not just for those that choose to obey them. Someone coming here "ILLEGALLY" and working for a better life is keeping someone that is here legally from earning a living, you can't have it both ways. It always makes me wonder why someone would want to come to the US after escaping their own crappy country and then want the US to change to be more like the crappy country they left.

The ten commandments is enough laws for me.

Your worried about dirt poor immigrants, when its the filthy rich that a ruining our country. The rich are the ones profiting from hiring illegals. The rich are the ones brainwashing and sending our youth to die in Iraq, to protect their oil. The rich are the ones making tons of money off intrest, and rent , and taxes. The Corporations and Politicians break more laws than any illegal immigrant everyday. You think politicians , and CEO's, and bankers work hard? You are being screwed by your own Government, not illegal aliens just trying to survive.

 

[ruffryder]

The only requirement at issue is legality his came here legally and broke no law, if we are a government of laws and not men there must be respect for the law or does the law not matter to you? Swampy

Well, when the criteria has been dramatically changed since when he was talking about, then it does matter.

When just paying for a boat ride to get to America and letting the officials talk to you for a couple of hours was all that was required compared to today, I would make the argument that if many of the people were immigrating today, that they would be doing so, illegally if they had to.

America had wide open doors back then.. now we have many many more restrictions.

Funny, you would think people would want less govt. control in their lives.. Oh that is right, only when it coincides with their own prerogative or agenda, as people like to say.

 

[ericsmallbore]

Wow smallbore.. Do you say anything besides negative rants? You sure won that argument.. LMAO! I put into suspect people that only berate others especially when they are trying to prove a point that way.. bad form!

Some times you have to stoop to the level of mentality you're dealing with and it was not all rant. Do you think 30% of my kids tuition should go higher for illegals when we can't even hire them leagly in this country? How does that keep jobs and money home? Or even more important, do you think my kids should have too compete for slots at the UW against someone we cant even hire in this country.

Look at the stupid things he is basicly saying.

"There should be no laws because everyone breaks them including people at the top"
"We should open up our boarders to anyone who wants to work here"
"if you are in construction you are a loser"
"it's ok that we pay taxes but they don't"
"We deserve to pay because we took our land from the indians"
"We are just like Germany trying to get rid of the jews"
"we should take our military money and give it to Mexico to turn their economy around"
"we are in Iraq to protect our oil"
"The rich are the one's hiring them"

You can't fix stupid!

I suspect an alter with the low post count just jabbing for laughs.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

The ten commandments is enough laws for me.

Your worried about dirt poor immigrants, when its the filthy rich that a ruining our country. The rich are the ones profiting from hiring illegals. The rich are the ones brainwashing and sending our youth to die in Iraq, to protect their oil. The rich are the ones making tons of money off intrest, and rent , and taxes. The Corporations and Politicians break more laws than any illegal immigrant everyday. You think politicians , and CEO's, and bankers work hard? You are being screwed by your own Government, not illegal aliens just trying to survive.

WOW that is such a fawking stretch, going from illegal aliens ruining the country to CEO's and politicians screwing us, which btw I agree 100%. However that does not change the argument about illegal aliens, they are just that ILLEGAL! ANY and EVERY one breaking the law, whether it be the chitty CEO, or the illegal alien should be held accountable for their breaking the law. ONCE again, breaking the law, whichever law that is, is illegal and the person doing it should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The financial problems we are having in the US are the direct result of people screwing the citizens, whether it be the bankers, lawyers, politicians and the straw that broke the camel's back, the oil prices (speculators).

 

[ruffryder]

I suspect an alter with the low post count just jabbing for laughs.

Normally said by those that have alters...

 

[Gainster]

In case you didnt notice our whole country is having financial problems. Im pretty sure every country and everyone has financial problems. California is ahead of the curve on a lot of issues compared to the rest of the states. Maybe you should join the Minutemen and go live in Texas with the rest of the cowboys. You can shoot illegals as they try to jump over the border to feed their families. If I was a starving Mexican, i know i would come to the US and work, no matter if i was illegal or legal.

I have a friend that burned his 2 week vacation last year with the minutemen doing patrols in texas. His 3 man team was armed with a radio & no firearms to report crossings. The border patrol had no intrest in any crossings other than groups of 9 people or larger. It dove him nuts because the small groups have figured out that is the way to bring in drugs or who knows what & the border patrol has no interest in totally enforcing the border