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M858 clutch kits?

I think I might put the stock stuff back in and just do a bit stiffer primary spring to get the rpm back in the top end. The Ibexx feels good on bottom end and responsiveness, but just feels like there’s no top end. Snows a bit heavy here in IP, but I’m only seeing about 30-35mph track speed in the climbs where I can open it up, and we’re at a bit lower elevation than back home where I was seeing low 40’s mph with stock stuff.
 
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Well Im disappointed. Put the stock secondary spring back in with the 46 helix. Would hit 8000 max but mostly down to 7800 even down to 7600 when loading it hard in deep pow. Swapped my secondary with Wyoboys. He has the stock 48 and a 200-280 spring in. Boom would hit 8100-8150 and down to 7900 min. Cant believe that worked better at 11,500 ft.

I was running new NGK plug caps and different plug wire too
 
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Full kit with the helix? What elevation? What weight weights? Any screws in them? Where is your engagement at and do you find initial engagement hits pretty hard? Thanks
Full kit with helix. 8-10k. I would have to look at the sheet again for the weight. No screws. I’ll check engagement tomorrow and report back. Engagement feels good .
 
My 165 can only pull 7800-7850 with the complete speedwerx kit. I was running there recommended weight but was only pullling 7,600 rpm so I pulled the set screws and can now only hit 7,800. Riding at 8,500-9,500 ft.
 
Running BDX/SSI kit. Swapped their blue for the lighter orange primary spring. About 9k elevation. Magnets at 2-1-0-0. Engagement is right at 3600 rpm. Overall it seems to perform fine. I'm able to hold 8200ish in a good pull. Riding with a few other 858s with stock kits and honestly I think we're all pretty even. Doesn't seem like there's any big difference.
 
Well Im disappointed. Put the stock secondary spring back in with the 46 helix. Would hit 8000 max but mostly down to 7800 even down to 7600 when loading it hard in deep pow. Swapped my secondary with Wyoboys. He has the stock 48 and a 200-280 spring in. Boom would hit 8100-8150 and down to 7900 min. Cant believe that worked better at 11,500 ft.

I was running new NGK plug caps and different plug wire too
Now I’m wondering when I switch back to the stock helix and weights if it would be more beneficial to keep the slightly heavier secondary spring or the primary spring from the Ibexx kit to get my rpm’s up a bit. Stock stuff worked well for me the couple times I rode it, was just down a few hundred rpm once I got up above about 8500 feet. Gotta try and get a shock and switch warrantied before I worry to much about that though I guess.
 
Didn't read all 5 pages so perhaps this has been said by others as well...
The ONLY time I can't get at or near 8250 is when the intake is plugged with powder.
At one point I was having some issues and assumed it was simply clutch/belt being too hot because we were working the piss out of the sleds. It turned out that I had some ice build up behind throttle lever and wasn't achieving full WOT.
 
Update. Engagement is 3900
On the full high elevation speedwerx kit Think mine is closer to 4100 with a pretty firm engagement at 10k. No screws in their weights. Wish they were a bit less heavy. Can always add screws to em. Seem a bit heavy at 10k and above.
 
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I used to grind weights in the old days. Just weigh the. With a gram scale and a guy could always take a little off
 
Well Im disappointed. Put the stock secondary spring back in with the 46 helix. Would hit 8000 max but mostly down to 7800 even down to 7600 when loading it hard in deep pow. Swapped my secondary with Wyoboys. He has the stock 48 and a 200-280 spring in. Boom would hit 8100-8150 and down to 7900 min. Cant believe that worked better at 11,500 ft.

I was running new NGK plug caps and different plug wire too

I think you cat guys wanna see constant 8000+ when on full throttle to that 858 engine run properly. If it drops to 7900, its not backshifting properly. Helix is too steep or spring is too soft.

I would suggest that you try 42 straight helix with that stock secondary spring. Or rather 140/260 or 160/260.

Or if you wanna use stock 48 helix, go with really stiff, around 200/320+ spring.

If you want that 46 helix to work, go at least with 180/300.

What people need to undertand, is that is not just the rpm. With steep helixes like 46 or higher, secondary will load the engine way more. Yes, you get that feeling of "strong pull" and hard track response right from the beginning. But with high load, also comes slow throttle (engine) response. Engine will feel sluggish.

2-stroke engines, especially non turbos, have very thin torque curve. They dont work the best under high load. Just like gas engines on cars, you ride them with high rpm and on diesels you run them with torque (short shifting).
 
For those running stock clutching. Borrowed this off Fakebook. Released today.
 

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Isnt that what we all have in already? Speedwerx kit has a 120-300. Maybe I try that. Obviously the 200-280 secondary spring worked on mine. The 120-300 primary is on back order. I was gonna grind 1 gram off my 58s but maybe Ill wait and try springs first. For years clutching drastically has issues above 11k ft. When I get back down to 10k lots of setups work well again. Most guys on here dont ride that high. MDS weights have never worked this high dating back to M series days. I dont care what dyno sheets show, all cats above 11k ft run better at 8100-8200rpm peak over 7900-8000.
 
so i wonder why it says affected snowmobiles with rpm walls like stated in bulletin...but others dont have the issue stock running. whats the difference in between good running stock and "affected" snowmobiles that are stock?
 
Looks like the bulletin is for ZR/Riot flat lander sleds. Not 100% sure, but I think that Cat is recommending the mountain sled primary spring in the bulletin.
 
Looks like the bulletin is for ZR/Riot flat lander sleds. Not 100% sure, but I think that Cat is recommending the mountain sled primary spring in the bulletin.
Correct and I am sure the flat lander guys have tried this and many others for their issues. They are not going to be happy with this "service advisory"
 
Looks like the bulletin is for ZR/Riot flat lander sleds. Not 100% sure, but I think that Cat is recommending the mountain sled primary spring in the bulletin.
Didn’t see that. It was posted on the mountain only catalyst page so didn’t even look at it closely.
 
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