Its official, We are a minority. This was the last white election

[skidoorulz]

I'm not in the military, and haven't been. I was just reminding you that they are government funded as well.

I I pay my taxes, I don't get paid by the government. My dad is a farmer, he does, at least a little, I don't know the details.

I haven't read the whole thread, so won't really comment much beyond that yet.

I am talking about free rides. Military members are not on a free ride by any means. Do a search for ag subsidies by county in the state you live in. It will amaze you what people you know are getting per year in payments.

 

[Idcatman3]

I don't actually think it would amaze me, I know that ag subsidies are significant.

I do have a hard time with subsidies as a concept, but they're not just there as redistribution. there are actual valid reasons to have ag subsidies. I'm not sure I totally agree with them, but I'm not going to talk much about something I don't have at least a working knowledge of.

I assumed you did just mean free rides, but I know how misunderstood text discussions can get. I'm mostly just trying to get people to be clear about what they mean.

There are a lot of people that get paid by the federal government, and I think they would be upset at not being able to vote.

I will chime in a little on the healthcare issue. I do want everyone to have healthcare. I don't really like the idea of being forced to buy it, but it makes a kind of sense. I want people to have healthcare so that they can get cheap preventative care instead of having to go to emergency rooms that are expensive. They then can't pay, and everyone's medical costs go up to compensate.

 

[Scott]

You are not doubting. I was telling others that may doubt you Indian source to remember what happened when Custer doubted some really smart Indians.

Lol, gotcha.

 

[donbrown]

you are becoming a minority with your views...what if your son/daughter was gay?would you write them off as a sicko...cmon man...how does that make you a bad person by being gay?would you dis-own your child?i just dont see why its my biz or yours on who someone can marry..rape is a horrible crime and no women should have to bear the child if she does not want to..the one reason people come to usa for medical is wait times...money buys health in states...but this could be argued for hrs,nothing wrong with canadian health care...we just had a baby...check in on wed...thurs c-section as baby wouldnt come out,sun head home with no bills to pay,hospital even gave us a few supplies with no charge...what difference should it make with what i do for a living?as a human we should be entitled to proper health care regardless of status..all im saying is if the republicans dont do some soul searching 2016 will be even worse for the party

Hmm ... if one of my children were gay it wouldn't matter in the long run. Why cause they will die with no offspring. (I have adopted family and belive me it's not the same IMHO)

Heritage is LOST without some one there to carry it on as a FAMILY TRADITION.

And if any of my children, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews were gay I would love them just the same BUT sure wouldn't ask them to pass on the family alblums.

I believe people are born with a sexual preference. What if it was required everyone to be gay? How long would society last?

What would you think if the doctor who gave your wife the c-section decided to be a surgeon providing sex changes and your wife and baby died because there was no doctor to do the c-section?
In Hollywood gays called traditional married people BREEDERS.

Can you accept the FACT the earth has limited resources INCLUDING medical experts?

The hospital services and supplies are not free. Someone paid for it. Oil, gas, pollution was created from the free stuff.

What difference does it make what we do for a living? (You don't know any rich people do you?)

When I was young no healthcare, no government programs, when poor needed help they went to a church, temple , social club and they received help. Plus people helped them succeed ... it was called a community, parish, club.

Today healthcare IS tiered MORE THAN EVER on how much money you have. Do you think Obama, Congress, the WEALTHY 1% percenters who run the country like Al Sharpton, Al Franken, Alan Dershowitz, Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand, Ben Affleck, Bruce Springsteen, Chevy Chase, Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, David Spade, Demi Moore, Ellen DeGeneres, George Soros, Glenn Close, Gwyneth Paltrow, Harrison Ford, Jerry Springer, John Travolta, Woopi Goldberg, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton have the same healthcare the average citizen has for their choice? Lots have their own plane, chef, multiple houses, and a crew of people to make sure they get anything including sex.

You think Democrats are fair? What area in the ENTIRE USA has the most exemptions to NOT providing Obama Care to their employees? Nancy Pelosi's district in San Francisco.


As far as rape goes do you think it right when a hollywood producer left the USA (to escape sentencing he was already found guilty out on bail) for drugging and raping a high school girl and when it was a time to get him back from FRANCE people like Woopi Goldberg said why ... it happened so long ago what's the big deal?

Do you think it was fair Chris Matthews was "happy" Hurricane Sandra happened ... since it helped President Obama get re elected?

Tell me where in the USA a woman can't get an abortion ... especially if she is raped? Do you think it would be okay for you to abort your baby even up to the last day of the trimesters? Abama as a senator supported abortion anytime the child was in the womb. Oh and the black population has gone down in the USA since all these social programs help abort unwanted children. Over 300 black babies are aborted a day in New York City. Thats why (Catholic) Hispanics are becoming a more important political influence than blacks ... the population is growing!

 

[donbrown]

you are becoming a minority with your views...what if your son/daughter was gay?would you write them off as a sicko...cmon man...how does that make you a bad person by being gay?would you dis-own your child?i just dont see why its my biz or yours on who someone can marry..rape is a horrible crime and no women should have to bear the child if she does not want to..the one reason people come to usa for medical is wait times...money buys health in states...but this could be argued for hrs,nothing wrong with canadian health care...we just had a baby...check in on wed...thurs c-section as baby wouldnt come out,sun head home with no bills to pay,hospital even gave us a few supplies with no charge...what difference should it make with what i do for a living?as a human we should be entitled to proper health care regardless of status..all im saying is if the republicans dont do some soul searching 2016 will be even worse for the party

Wow that sure is profound. "as a human we should be entitled to proper health care regardless of status" So ... did you send the extra medical supplies you received to a less fortunate person? Since humans are entitled to health care.

When I helped manage a church we had extra money. The people submited what to do and it boiled down to 3 choices. Buy religious books, build a church or help build a hospital. As a managers we decided to help build a hospital and over half of the group was VERY VERY upset cause the word of God can heal you.

We as managers appealed saying if you are sick you don't go to church you go to a hospital. They replied anyone can build a medical building and we specialize in spreading the word of God.

My point is society is getting stratified and it is to the point where a person or comminity cannot take care of itself because the governing bodies have made it impossible to be self sufficient and the government is at times wasting more than it is "providing".

 

[donbrown]

you are becoming a minority with your views...what if your son/daughter was gay?would you write them off as a sicko...cmon man...how does that make you a bad person by being gay?would you dis-own your child?i just dont see why its my biz or yours on who someone can marry..rape is a horrible crime and no women should have to bear the child if she does not want to..the one reason people come to usa for medical is wait times...money buys health in states...but this could be argued for hrs,nothing wrong with canadian health care...we just had a baby...check in on wed...thurs c-section as baby wouldnt come out,sun head home with no bills to pay,hospital even gave us a few supplies with no charge...what difference should it make with what i do for a living?as a human we should be entitled to proper health care regardless of status..all im saying is if the republicans dont do some soul searching 2016 will be even worse for the party

And congradulations on your baby son. I PRAY Mother, you and child are doing well. I pray for your well being.

Do you live a state like California? Workers who contribute to the State Disability Insurance (SDI) fund are entitled to six weeks of partial (55%) pay each year while taking time off from work to: bond with a newborn baby, adopted or foster child; and care for a seriously ill parent, child, spouse or registered domestic partner.

 

[DITCHBANGER]

Hmm ... if one of my children were gay it wouldn't matter in the long run. Why cause they will die with no offspring. (I have adopted family and belive me it's not the same IMHO)

Heritage is LOST without some one there to carry it on as a FAMILY TRADITION.

And if any of my children, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews were gay I would love them just the same BUT sure wouldn't ask them to pass on the family alblums.

I believe people are born with a sexual preference. What if it was required everyone to be gay? How long would society last?

What would you think if the doctor who gave your wife the c-section decided to be a surgeon providing sex changes and your wife and baby died because there was no doctor to do the c-section?
In Hollywood gays called traditional married people BREEDERS.

Can you accept the FACT the earth has limited resources INCLUDING medical experts?

The hospital services and supplies are not free. Someone paid for it. Oil, gas, pollution was created from the free stuff.

What difference does it make what we do for a living? (You don't know any rich people do you?)

When I was young no healthcare, no government programs, when poor needed help they went to a church, temple , social club and they received help. Plus people helped them succeed ... it was called a community, parish, club.

Today healthcare IS tiered MORE THAN EVER on how much money you have. Do you think Obama, Congress, the WEALTHY 1% percenters who run the country like Al Sharpton, Al Franken, Alan Dershowitz, Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand, Ben Affleck, Bruce Springsteen, Chevy Chase, Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, David Spade, Demi Moore, Ellen DeGeneres, George Soros, Glenn Close, Gwyneth Paltrow, Harrison Ford, Jerry Springer, John Travolta, Woopi Goldberg, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton have the same healthcare the average citizen has for their choice? Lots have their own plane, chef, multiple houses, and a crew of people to make sure they get anything including sex.

You think Democrats are fair? What area in the ENTIRE USA has the most exemptions to NOT providing Obama Care to their employees? Nancy Pelosi's district in San Francisco.


As far as rape goes do you think it right when a hollywood producer left the USA for drugging and raping a high school girl and when it was a time to get him back from FRANCE people like Woopi Goldberg said why ... it happened so long ago what's the big deal?

Do you think it was fair Chris Matthews was "happy" Hurricane Sandra happened ... since it helped President Obama get re elected?

Tell me where in the USA a woman can't get an abortion ... especially if she is raped? Do you think it would be okay for you to abort your baby even up to the last day of the trimesters? Obama as a senator supported abortion anytime the child was in the womb. Oh and the black population has gone down in the USA since all these social programs help abort unwanted children. Over 300 black babies are aborted a day in New York City. Thats why (Catholic) Hispanics are becoming a more important political influence than blacks ... the population is growing!

this is the reason nothing is getting done in the us...congress/senate,dems and republicans hate each other and will not work for the country..each is so firm on their beliefs,each party is guilty of twisting facts and never admitting being wrong...yes we were given a few supplies at hospital...cant remember exactly but i pd roughly 20000 in income tax last year..so did the wife..i dont mind,i believe the less fortunate should have health care,no system will be perfect...as for your comments on gays..i dont know what to say..i dont pry into their lives to know what they are up to...regardless of what i think or you think we can agree the us has been knocked down a few notches vs many countires on quality of life,happiness and education...i hope things come roaring back ..

 

[DITCHBANGER]

Wow that sure is profound. "as a human we should be entitled to proper health care regardless of status" So ... did you send the extra medical supplies you received to a less fortunate person? Since humans are entitled to health care.

When I helped manage a church we had extra money. The people submited what to do and it boiled down to 3 choices. Buy religious books, build a church or help build a hospital. As a managers we decided to help build a hospital and over half of the group was VERY VERY upset cause the word of God can heal you.

We as managers appealed saying if you are sick you don't go to church you go to a hospital. They replied anyone can build a medical building and we specialize in spreading the word of God.

My point is society is getting stratified and it is to the point where a person or comminity cannot take care of itself because the governing bodies have made it impossible to be self sufficient and the government is at times wasting more than it is "providing".

one of the funniest things i heard was george carlin who said he worships the sun....why....cause he knows its there and can see it....asking/relying on god to heal i would say is not going to work out very well ,its like when texas was in a terrible drought and rick perry asked the people to pray for rain.....ummmm ok,that sounds reasonable...eh?religion has no place in politics..watch religulous the bill maher movie....hilarious and true....you work for a church and you dont think people should be entitled to healthcare?as im sure you bump into some people who have just been dealt a bad deck in life no matter the circumstances

 

[donbrown]

this is the reason nothing is getting done in the us...congress/senate,dems and republicans hate each other and will not work for the country..each is so firm on their beliefs,each party is guilty of twisting facts and never admitting being wrong...yes we were given a few supplies at hospital...cant remember exactly but i pd roughly 20000 in income tax last year..so did the wife..i dont mind,i believe the less fortunate should have health care,no system will be perfect...as for your comments on gays..i dont know what to say..i dont pry into their lives to know what they are up to...regardless of what i think or you think we can agree the us has been knocked down a few notches vs many countires on quality of life,happiness and education...i hope things come roaring back ..

Maybe you should get to learn more about LGBT and what they think of BREEDERS. Plus understand what political influence they have today. Try taking you baby boy on a stroll down Polk street in San Francisco and see how many "comments" you get.

Also how crackers ALL benefited from slavery and opression. I suggest you read about Louis Farrakhan, and the Black Panthers while in a town I grew up in called East Saint Loius Illinois back in the 60's and 70's. Today he is very much involved with people in politics around Chicago and hangs out with people in a White House on the east coast.

Then lets get to the Latinos ... who call gays cockroaches and claim the soutwest of the USA is AZTLAN. Boy the stories I hear about a major talking trash at a Latino bar about us “El Destino Patente.” ¡Hasta la Victoria Siempre y Hasta Aztlán ... Manifest Destiny to take back what is rightfully ours stolen in the Spanish American War.

Don't worry the president is planning a vacation and trip to Asia ... even thought US lost 2% in value on the stock market this week, Massive layoffs at Boeing and Lockeed announced. (This was sequestered bybthe government PRIOR to the election) Iran attacked a UAV in international waters last week. 40,000 households freezing with no home, power, food and rationing of basic services like gas from the hurricane. China is attacking Japan over disputed islands. More border guards were attacked killed between ther US and Mexico. Over 240 US soldiers have been killed in Afghan this year. Gas prices hit $5 a gallon in California and 23 million acreas in Alaska were PERMANENTLY banned for drilling.

Don't worry Obamma has been re elected for a second term ... what did he promise in his second term? I'm not Romney? Make things fair? Raise taxes on the rich? Balance the budget?

 

[donbrown]

one of the funniest things i heard was george carlin who said he worships the sun....why....cause he knows its there and can see it....asking/relying on god to heal i would say is not going to work out very well ,its like when texas was in a terrible drought and rick perry asked the people to pray for rain.....ummmm ok,that sounds reasonable...eh?religion has no place in politics..watch religulous the bill maher movie....hilarious and true....you work for a church and you dont think people should be entitled to healthcare?as im sure you bump into some people who have just been dealt a bad deck in life no matter the circumstances

"asking/relying on god to heal i would say is not going to work out very well ,its like when texas was in a terrible drought and rick perry asked the people to pray for rain.....ummmm ok,that sounds reasonable...eh?"

In this political climate maybe he should have claim it was because of evil like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has accused Western countries of plotting to "cause drought" in Iran by using high tech equipment to drain the clouds of raindrops. You know him the President of Iran who is building nuclear materials for peaceful purposes. When you go back to your doctor who spent 18 plus years in school ask him how life is really made and why do some people live and others die.


"you work for a church and you dont think people should be entitled to healthcare?" I never worked for a church. I received no payment and did it completely on a voluntary basis. Next week I am taking some Latino I don't know at all and drive him and pay out of my own pocket for a medical exam. He has free healthcare and as a result has been blinded in one eye ... and the medical firm who blinded him are gone and moved down the street under a different legal entity. And when I see an aledged homeless person I give him some food I keep out of the trunk of my car cause most use the cash they get for drugs.

I used to stop and help people stranded on the road until I got carjacked.
Driving down the road see a guy walking all bloody slowed down to ask if he needed help jumped in had a weapon drove a distance jumped out and ran into a gas station. Then with it all over the cops considered me a suspect because he had a bail of dope in his wrecked truck.

I had surgery a year ago and the therapist stopped to rehabilitate me cause the health industry says most people are good after so many treatments. I'm not and because of specific government regulation no more treatment. I have private health insurance who follows government guidelines so they don't get sued. There is a medical database with my personal history in it accessed by my employer, political parties, credit agencies, and the entire medical industry and noone will help me anymore since I have been deemed fixed and unlikely to improve my range of motion. CPT codes can be VERY UNFAIR.

"religion has no place in politics" How do you think we got here?
We hold these truths to be self-evident...all men are... endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.
Who do you think the creator is Apple computer and MTV?
Who do you think should control unalienable rights?
The foundation of this country is based on religion.

What happens on inaugeration day? I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of Prescident of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. In 2009 Abama did not say it (correctly twice) at the ceremony. Supreme court justicies went to the White House the next day and had him say the oath correctly. (I know Obama is a constitutional lawyer and was just nervous)

 

[DITCHBANGER]

wow so much to comment on..that is very very good of you to help out with the medical,there needs to be more examples of that in society...i thought it was more than 40000 without power?..so very sad what happened to the east coast,the pictures are horrible,and winter is setting in...not to mention the looting...yet japan had a major disaster..no looting,people waited in lines..no screaming,violence...just very polite..night and day difference ...but you mention all the negatives,and i agree on some of your points,but at anytime in history there was always those doubts...but this debate could go on for long time,especially the religion part...have a great winter

 

[donbrown]

one of the funniest things i heard was george carlin who said he worships the sun....why....cause he knows its there and can see it....asking/relying on god to heal i would say is not going to work out very well ,its like when texas was in a terrible drought and rick perry asked the people to pray for rain.....ummmm ok,that sounds reasonable...eh?religion has no place in politics..watch religulous the bill maher movie....hilarious and true....you work for a church and you dont think people should be entitled to healthcare?as im sure you bump into some people who have just been dealt a bad deck in life no matter the circumstances

bill maher ... isn't that the guy who talked about having a hate sex 3 way with Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum?

"When you elect Mitt you're electing every right wing nut he's pandered to in the last 10 years. If the Mitt-mobile does roll into Washington it'll be towing behind it the whole anti-intellectual, anti-science freakshow."

Boy I don't know what to say. Maybe you can put that you belief what Bill maher says on your resume.

Maybe switch to Michael Moore movies since he said tyhis yesterday right after the election ...

a joyful blogpost this morning celebrating Prescident Abama’s victory.

In his post, he thanked a number of people who helped make the president’s re-election possible, especially “Mother Nature.”

“You, Mother Nature, with all your horrific damage, death and destruction you caused last week, you became, ironically, the undoing of a (Republicain) Party that didn’t believe in you or your climate changing powers,” Moore wrote, referring to Hurricane Sandy that hit the East Coast before the election.

 

[donbrown]

wow so much to comment on..that is very very good of you to help out with the medical,there needs to be more examples of that in society...i thought it was more than 40000 without power?..so very sad what happened to the east coast,the pictures are horrible,and winter is setting in...not to mention the looting...yet japan had a major disaster..no looting,people waited in lines..no screaming,violence...just very polite..night and day difference ...but you mention all the negatives,and i agree on some of your points,but at anytime in history there was always those doubts...but this debate could go on for long time,especially the religion part...have a great winter

40,000 households freezing with no home, power, food and rationing of basic services like gas from the hurricane.

40,000 homes where families lived tagged by the government telling the people living there they can't.

I'll bet more than one of us sledders paid to stay in a place that would be deemed uninhabitable by government standards. But that does not excuse the fact government is not helping as much as they should.

 

[Old Scud-doo]

All persons should be treated equally. Unfortunetly most minority's want to be treated "Special". That's whether you are orange, gay, old, of like to fondle small farm animals. You are the most important citizens we have. LOL!

That is what is the problem with the US of A. WE ARE EQUAL!!!!! YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY!!! OR BLACK!!!...OR ANYTHING ELSE!!

 

[mold]

All persons should be treated equally. Unfortunetly most minority's want to be treated "Special". That's whether you are orange, gay, old, of like to fondle small farm animals. You are the most important citizens we have. LOL!

That is what is the problem with the US of A. WE ARE EQUAL!!!!! YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY!!! OR BLACK!!!...OR ANYTHING ELSE!!

but I am the best window licker at my day treatment facility

 

[donbrown]

All persons should be treated equally. Unfortunetly most minority's want to be treated "Special". That's whether you are orange, gay, old, of like to fondle small farm animals. You are the most important citizens we have. LOL!

That is what is the problem with the US of A. WE ARE EQUAL!!!!! YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY!!! OR BLACK!!!...OR ANYTHING ELSE!!

Now I must say we all don't ride like Brad.

We all have different attributes. After the laws created by government in the early 60's government is trying to make things equal. If memory serves me right the US has spent over 14 TRILLION dollars (not adjusted for inflation) on poverty and the poverty rates have increased!

Anyone here with a family under one roof, especially people with multiple children should know we will never be equal. Some of my children get straight A's in school while my non A child has conflicts , mentallty, emotionally "with the stupid people who cheat get A's". Then we get the "I got a free pizza for getting an A" and wham game on.

The Best I think we can do IMHO is provide equal opportunity. But again this world "equal" invites waste, fraud, lies and false hopes to make society equal. It seems to me political parties have created a expectations beyond any reasonable HOPE of acheiving the those "dreams" Yet it is those "Hopes and Dreams" peple vote for while governments basic duties are neglected and ignored.

 

[ruffryder]

It seems to me political parties have created a expectations beyond any reasonable HOPE of acheiving the those "dreams" Yet it is those "Hopes and Dreams" peple vote for while governments basic duties are neglected and ignored.

Agree completely. I like it when Dave Ramsey says he was a 20 year long overnight success. A lot of the people that are rich are first generation, and it happened after a long time of struggling and hard work.

There is no easy button. Sure we love the stories and the dreams of get rich quick, but that isn't gonna happen to most of us.

 

[CatRpillar]

The problem isnt our politicians, its us. Like your JFK said, 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country', or such. Wall St is hell bent on making money at anyones expense, political parties tell us what we want to hear otherwise we go all pc and have hissy fits, and too many people think that their standard of living is sustainable by borrowing from those who want all the money. And down the toilet it all slowly goes.

I have a good life and I try not to penalise those who life has dealt a tougher hand. If someone cons me while I'm trying to help someone who needs it I guess thems the breaks. Cant take it with you anyways.

Got a foot of snow outside and waiting on parts!

 

[donbrown]

Ok, so I've gotten a couple PMs about my above post. It's been claimed that what I said displays a lack of accountability toward racism.

"denial", if you will.

Here is an analogy:

Preference: Steve prefers the taste of Coke over Pepsi.
Predjudice: Steve dislikes Pepsi or Pepsi drinkers.
Racism: Steve asserts power or control (oppresses) over Pepsi or its consumers to make them inferior.

Argue if you like...(and go research the definitions of the varying degrees of racism)...but what I posted above was taught to me in a class on an Indian college, on a reservation...by 3 strong minded and wonderful Indian ladies with Ph Ds. Of all people, who am I to argue with them?

I too have been PM'd to stop using offensive terms.

For me I find it interesting since I never called any user here on this discusion a slang term. Merely let people know races of people have "widely acceptable" terms used to stereotype and demonstrate prejudice and assist in any discrimination against races, religions, political believes not accepted in ones own ethnic affiliation.

I appreciate the analogy Coke vs. Pepsi. Used many times in these past few days.

Okay well on the Pure Politics Warning: Don't enter if you are easily offended. Its was an election year after all!!

I would like to be an Indian but I'm told if I do other family members will loose benefits. What's up with that?

 

[ruffryder]

How many kids do you have?