Ah yes but you forget the 4 years of the first Bush. The economy was on the way up when Clinton took office and on the way down when he was leaving(after taking a lot of things that weren't his). The main difference between a Democrat and a Rebublican is the basis for there thinking. A Democrat bases there decisions on feelings. " I feel that........etc, etc, etc" While a Republican bases there's on fact. I understand that something should be done to help out those less fortunate( those that make $60k in San Diego) but the majority of those that benefit are milking the system. Speaking of health care, a large percentage of those that do not get health care from there comapany are self employed or independant contractors. When the stats are put together they forget to include that. Bill Clinton once said that he thinks he should pay more in taxes than he currently does, why does he fight to put his assets off shore? And on top of that, any American can add additional payment to there taxes. All that I hear is talk, talk , talk, from Hillary/Obama but never any actions. If it weren't for this situation or that I could have gotten this or that done. Always a reason but never accomplish anything.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/22331052/
Read that article. Now pay attention to two things. The Democrats want to fix the AMT, along with the Rupublicans. But, the Republicans want to do it without a tax increase to cover it. Now, I might normally agree with that, however, look in the 5th paragraph and take note of how they want to "increase" taxes. The Democrats want to get rid of a tax loophole for offshore funds. Now if you search on Republican websites, all you see is "Democrats want to increase taxes." When you go to anywhere else, you find out the truth on the taxes they want to "increase."
That is the difference between a Republican and a Democrat.
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Well guys this has been an interesting thread. For me the decision is simple look at what the democraps stand for they want to lose the war in Iraq they want to end motorized recreation they want big gov. they want to kill unborn babie. Have u heard of partial birth abortion? The sicko doctor keeps the babies head part way in so u cant hear it scream then he pops a hole in the head and sucks the brains out and this is legal in the US, nuts. The dems have no real candidates, Hillary what a joke, Obama Bin Laden the Muslim. Any repub. would be better. If you like snowmobiling vote Republican.
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Well guys this has been an interesting thread. For me the decision is simple look at what the democraps stand for they want to lose the war in Iraq they want to end motorized recreation they want big gov. they want to kill unborn babie. Have u heard of partial birth abortion? The sicko doctor keeps the babies head part way in so u cant hear it scream then he pops a hole in the head and sucks the brains out and this is legal in the US, nuts. The dems have no real candidates, Hillary what a joke, Obama Bin Laden the Muslim. Any repub. would be better. If you like snowmobiling vote Republican.
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Well guys this has been an interesting thread. For me the decision is simple look at what the democraps (LOL, name calling already?) stand for they want to lose the war in Iraq (Nah, that has already been lost, they want to fix it) they want to end motorized recreation (Cannot argue this one, they are irritating with closures, who the funk snowshoes?) they want big gov (I guess way bigger than the republican gov of the 2000s?). they want to kill unborn babie (Uh, just because democrats believe abortion is better for America does not mean they kill "babies"). Have u heard of partial birth abortion? The sicko doctor keeps the babies head part way in so u cant hear it scream then he pops a hole in the head and sucks the brains out and this is legal in the US, nuts (last I checked this is only used in extreme circumstances, not by choice). The dems have no real candidates, Hillary what a joke (I can agree somewhat), Obama Bin Laden the Muslim (Get something else that IS true). Any repub. would be better (okay, then list who). If you like snowmobiling vote Republican.
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I am intersted in that last part, please give me an honest assessment of the Republicans and how they stand.
actually he sued the hospitals and it was the insurance companys that paid (liability insurance companys)... so now the little guy pays more for medical insurance and hospital expenses.. and John Edwards got millions.. wonder how much the clients got..
My wife took it... Huckabee, Hunter, and McCain... but she also thinks you should be able to bump to pass people driving the speed limit in the fast lane of the freeway...
Yellowstone is open... GW is fighting the "roadless plan"..
LOL, the bump pass technique is great!
Most cases I have seen, the client gets 2/3, Edwards would get 1/3. My only point is he made his money, wasn't born into it or married to it.
But I still don't see anything on here advocating anything GOOD for the republican candidates, only bashing of the democrats.
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Ummmmm. Ok, so no one is going to convince you.
You make comments like the war is already "lost", and think that Edwards "made" his money. Fine.
You spend lot's of time pasting stats and articles, talk about how you "read" so much and are so informed. Great.
Yet, sir, I don't think you get it. Reading alot, pulling stats out of the air, and constantly thinking you are winning your argument because you can do these things does not make it so. Your arguments are weak and usually miss the point. Most conservatives are not happy with the way things have gone. But they are quite convinced that the alternative is poisoned kool-aid. And they believe in ideals, have morals, dream of values. And they pick the candidates and party that most closely align with these. In case you ain't figured it out yet, it isn't the liberals.
You are an interesting read, but more confused than you let on. Just an observation.
Question for you, specifically: if the war is already "lost" as you state, and the dem's only want to "fix" it, as you state, how do think they will do it? What is there plan? Just one plan? And what will be the consequences?
Again, tell me some positive things about the Republicans, not just bash the democrats. I hate the lessor of two evils thought.
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Biggest answer right in front of you. "Minimal consequences" is short sited (no offense). National security is still the biggest issue facing this country and it's prospects for survival. The statement that we are breeding terroists is based on ..?? Fact is, they are everywhere. But I will gladly take them on anywhere other than our shores. If we quit and come home (call it an exit strategy if you want, but if we leave before that region is further stabilized, it's called quiting) those that hate us and everything we stand for (even out belief to argue and agree to disagree) will come here again.... do you really doubt that?
A man named Chamberlain tried to promote something like this a few years ago (hiding between our legs kinda thing).. seem to remember the problem just got bigger. We are capable of learning.
Positive about the Republicans?? it's written all over this 4m, daily. Their stand on guns; their stand on security; their stand on access rights. And there are a whole lot more threads than just this one on this subject.
Your statement about this just being for "fun" is a cop out. It's serious business. You have spent a considerable amount of time on just this thread, and with due respect, it's because you believe a certain way and want others to see things your way. That's admirable. But constantly asking for the "positive" when it's in front of you get's a little tiring. The peeps on here have stated positions, beliefs, dislikes, wants, frustrations and for sure, the positives....sometimes stated as the lessor of... which is a valid and solid postion if it's all one has.
i.e. You want an Artic Cat. It's all you want, nothing else. But your only option is a Doo or a Poo. What, you goin' sit home and whine? No, you're mostly likely going to pick one. And work on the future to get what you want.
Biggest answer right in front of you. "Minimal consequences" is short sited (no offense). National security is still the biggest issue facing this country and it's prospects for survival. The statement that we are breeding terroists is based on ..?? Fact is, they are everywhere. But I will gladly take them on anywhere other than our shores. If we quit and come home (call it an exit strategy if you want, but if we leave before that region is further stabilized, it's called quiting) those that hate us and everything we stand for (even out belief to argue and agree to disagree) will come here again.... do you really doubt that?
A man named Chamberlain tried to promote something like this a few years ago (hiding between our legs kinda thing).. seem to remember the problem just got bigger. We are capable of learning.
Positive about the Republicans?? it's written all over this 4m, daily. Their stand on guns; their stand on security; their stand on access rights. And there are a whole lot more threads than just this one on this subject.
Your statement about this just being for "fun" is a cop out. It's serious business. You have spent a considerable amount of time on just this thread, and with due respect, it's because you believe a certain way and want others to see things your way. That's admirable. But constantly asking for the "positive" when it's in front of you get's a little tiring. The peeps on here have stated positions, beliefs, dislikes, wants, frustrations and for sure, the positives....sometimes stated as the lessor of... which is a valid and solid postion if it's all one has.
i.e. You want an Artic Cat. It's all you want, nothing else. But your only option is a Doo or a Poo. What, you goin' sit home and whine? No, you're mostly likely going to pick one. And work on the future to get what you want.
So, put your input in on the candidate you want!
The most liberal Republican (Mcain) would still be better than the most conservative Democrat.(There are none)
All the Dem's have said they WILL rase Taxes, and They all want more give aways so I would NEVER vote of any of them. Not to menchen they will not stand up and do what is best for this Country if they think it will make some other country mad.
The Reps want to Lower Taxes and make Gov smaller, Will they who knows but I like the sound of that insted of "I will take more of your money and pizz it away"
VOTE REP!!!
PS I am Thinking Mitt about 95% right now.
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The Reps want to Lower Taxes and make Gov smaller, Will they who knows but I like the sound of that insted of "I will take more of your money and pizz it away"
VOTE REP!!!
PS I am Thinking Mitt about 95% right now.
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Be careful on the raising taxes thing. The Democrats want to keep all the tax cuts, except for moving the 35% tax bracket back up to 39.6%. Keep in mind, that is only for wage earners over $375,000. I have too slow an internet connection now, but if I get time tonight I can look that up.
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You're killing us here.... stats mean nothing, when confronted with ideals. You'll never find a factual argument where across the board, conservatives want to tax more than liberals. No one here is arguing that they are in love with the way things have gone. Most of us would like to see further cuts, more programs hacked, more people living on the streets whining until they actually have to be productive to survive. What's with this create a program (which requires money from taxes) constantly to take care of some perceived injustice or problem. A huge difference between the left and right is the feeling of "need to take care of" (liberal philosophy), as opposed to "learn to deal with it and oh boy, life ain't fare, get over it" (right wing belief).
And what's this constant bombardment from the media about taxing the rich...they already are. You make the statement
like that makes it ok. It's adding tax. 4.6% us another $19,000 dollars for the minimum (375,000)... you think that's fare???
For the record, that wouldn't affect me.... but that doesn't make it ok.
Nah, for that tax bracket, it is only for the amounts over $375,000, and that is actually taxable income, not "wage earners" as I had technically said above (I am writing quickly). So any amounts earned under that amount would not be affected. That was the only part of the Bush tax cut that I did not agree with, it had been 39.6% for a lot of years, then Bush cut that to 35%.
Now if the purpose of the tax cut was because we had too much money, I can agree with that, but the purpose is to increase spending. The people I know that have that high of taxable income do not even notice the extra money, let along buy a new car because of it.
Like Clinton said, I appreciated the tax breaks, saved a lot of money. Doesn't mean it was the best thing for the economy.
Now if the purpose of the tax cut was because we had too much money, I can agree with that, but the purpose is to increase spending. The people I know that have that high of taxable income do not even notice the extra money, let along buy a new car because of it.
Like Clinton said, I appreciated the tax breaks, saved a lot of money. Doesn't mean it was the best thing for the economy.
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I do agree, the vast majority of Snowest will vote Republican, I enjoy being different! There is too much hatred for Hilary. It will be tough for Obama too with his documented drug use and the Muslim stuff going around.
The other thing, there really is no strong Republican candidate yet, but that can change once Karl Rove gets involved.
Very interesting. I find it odd that "need to take care of" is considered a liberal philosophy. I would think it would be more of a religious philosophy. It is interesting that it is tough love when republicans talk government support, yet bring god into other aspects of their life more freely.
If republicans are spiritual/religious beings why does there spirituality end at governmental policies and procedures? Separation of Church and State? Seems more in line with democrats (cough) philosophy than with republican (cough) beliefs.
Thoughts?
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