Here we go again. Oil prices

[icr]

Vote casted! And to think.........the campaign all started on Snowest. Brings a mother f'in tear to me eye mate!

Much appreciated...I'll put you in charge of the armory or something. And props on nailing my wife...I haven't even met her yet and I'm already getting your sloppy seconds.

 

[milehighassassin]

Couple things that should be pointed out.

Not all batteries use acid. We have been using acidless batteries for years. Cars crashing is not a big deal. Think about it, battery acid (assuming they use acid batteries) or explosive gasoline, which is worse?

Power plants do NOT go offline at night for maintenance. They might cut down usage but maintenance typically requires the entire plant to shut down. My best friend does plant closures/maintenance for a living.

 

[Ollie]

First off I wasn't talking taking the entire plant offline.
They reduce power production at night and do routine maintenance during this time. They cycle various parts of the plant to maintain stuff, not just generators.

My whole point with electric (full or hybrid) is we DON"T HAVE THE CAPACITY to support it. We can't produce the electricity to support it. my brother in law lives in LA. He drives a hybrid gas/electric and does nothing but complain that he can't plug his car in because of the brown outs. He can't plug it in at work because his company won't allow it (electrical cost), he can't plug it in at his condo because the home owners assoc. won't allow it (electrical costs). So he has to run the gas engine all the time to charge the batteries.

Until we can get the electrical systems in this country up to speed, electral type engines won't work.

As for solar power systems on homes and such.
That is a good idea, the costs of converting a home over is kind of steep and there is no way to sell the power back to the electrical company without major changes and additional costs for switching gear and such.
The cost of doing a solar system on a house is coming down and the amount of energy you get from solar is getting pretty impressive.

 

[ruffryder]

First off I wasn't talking taking the entire plant offline.
They reduce power production at night and do routine maintenance during this time. They cycle various parts of the plant to maintain stuff, not just generators.

mmm... Don't they need the other parts to generate electricity too? Otherwise, why is it there in the first place? MHA is correct on this one.

My whole point with electric (full or hybrid) is we DON"T HAVE THE CAPACITY to support it. We can't produce the electricity to support it. my brother in law lives in LA. He drives a hybrid gas/electric and does nothing but complain that he can't plug his car in because of the brown outs. He can't plug it in at work because his company won't allow it (electrical cost), he can't plug it in at his condo because the home owners assoc. won't allow it (electrical costs). So he has to run the gas engine all the time to charge the batteries.

Take a look at this... There is in excess of at least 5 GW of power available during the time of 12 am till 7am. Seems easy enought to handle chargign of cars. Seems most of your example above is due to electrical costs, not brown outs. Brown outs would just give him times that he has no electricity, not a reduction in functionality during non-brownout times.

That is a good idea, the costs of converting a home over is kind of steep and there is no way to sell the power back to the electrical company without major changes and additional costs for switching gear and such.

To sell the power back to the company, you only need a better meter, and some state laws too set the rate, which usually turns out to be wholesale. They also allow you to spin the meter backwards. The only problem with lots of dg (distributed generation) is in the protection schemes. If the current flow is reversed, all the fuse protection is no longer correct, and most relays and reclosers / sectionalizers need settings to be changed also. This is more of a programming issue, needing more CT's to gather more information. The fuses are what will need to be changed or removed.

 

[Ollie]

5GW of power, how much power will a million electric cars plugged in draw?
Seriously, I have no clue.

There is more to a power plant than just generators, you have switching gear, lines, transformers, all kinds of stuff that can be serviced relatively easy and in a short time (couple hours).

I keep going back to my main point.
We need more power generation and power grid upgrade before we could hope to do anything with electric hybrid cars on a mass scale. We don't have the infastruture to support it.

States like California can't meet the existing power demands without importing power from out of state. They are looking to not renew the permits for any coal plants in cali. THis will further cut their power production by (I believe it was) 15 - 20 percent. they are trying to tell other states (like Colorado) that we have to ramp up our power plants to provide the additional power they require. This will put more of a strain on our power generation making it harder to meet our own demands as well as wearing out the systems faster. End result, worse service at a higher cost.

If we had the power capacity and the transmission line support, then electric or electric/hybrids would work (it would still cost more per vehicle, but it would work). Till then, it won't work on anykind of scale to make it a viable option.

 

[Gainster]

Now Ford & Nissan

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ford-Nissan-Teslas-electric-apf-1436766842.html?x=0

 

[milehighassassin]

First off I wasn't talking taking the entire plant offline.
They reduce power production at night and do routine maintenance during this time. They cycle various parts of the plant to maintain stuff, not just generators.

My whole point with electric (full or hybrid) is we DON"T HAVE THE CAPACITY to support it. We can't produce the electricity to support it. my brother in law lives in LA. He drives a hybrid gas/electric and does nothing but complain that he can't plug his car in because of the brown outs. He can't plug it in at work because his company won't allow it (electrical cost), he can't plug it in at his condo because the home owners assoc. won't allow it (electrical costs). So he has to run the gas engine all the time to charge the batteries.

Until we can get the electrical systems in this country up to speed, electral type engines won't work.

As for solar power systems on homes and such.
That is a good idea, the costs of converting a home over is kind of steep and there is no way to sell the power back to the electrical company without major changes and additional costs for switching gear and such.
The cost of doing a solar system on a house is coming down and the amount of energy you get from solar is getting pretty impressive.

What car does your brother in law have that you plug in? Most hybrids generate their own electricity similar to how a train does. They also use the vehicles braking system to generate power. Curiose on what he has that he has to plug it in.

Honestly there is no ONE sollution. We need to combine our efforts, solar, hybrid, dino oil, bio fuels, reduction, hydrogen, nuclear, natural gas, etc, etc.

 

[Anti-Hero]

Electric cars are cool I like the ones with tiller steering like these http://www.detroitelectric.org/ Oh that is right electric cars failed once lets keep trying the same $h!t over and over.

 

[ruffryder]

Electric cars are cool I like the ones with tiller steering like these http://www.detroitelectric.org/ Oh that is right electric cars failed once lets keep trying the same $h!t over and over.

Failed once? Most cars were electric to begin with, we are just coming full circle.. Houses use to be electrified by dc too, as well as transmission lines. We will soon be coming back to dc in the house. No need for all of my transformers for all the electronic crap. Lights will soon be LED's too..