Has anyone LOST 50 HP and been happy???

[mountainhorse]

Brandy,

I'd be interested in seeing what Mark thought the numbers would be on the 1150 at 5000' and the 140hp 700 (at sea level) would be at 5000'.

Do you stay in contact with him?

 

[Comp 670]

Mountainhorse,To be honest I have never worried about what they make at altitude.Every non boosted engine will lose the same amount of power as you go up in alt so why worry about the actual numbers..They are what they are..

If the 1150 makes 200hp at sea level and say 175 at 5000' what does it matter?They are just numbers..All I cared about is how it works at alt,not the actual number it's putting out.

Over the years in all my different things I have done,sleds,cars,bikes,gocarts,whatever..All the fast guys never claimed big hp numbers and the real fast guys didn't care how high the number was on a dyno..The only thing they cared about was that if they made a change it made the number bigger.The end number means nothing,it's just a number and ALL dynos read different.

Brandy has made a very good choice for the type of riding she does.Her MAIN focus is RIDING,she rides for FUN,not being the highest or what ever.She rides so much each year that a pull the rope and go pump gas sled is by far the best way to go for her.And the new chassis makes up for alot of the power she is giving up.Max at tri city told her the most fun he has had in years has been on the new 600 IQ, he has access to any sled he wants and says he would ride the 600 over everything else for the pure fun factor.

I have had the big hp sleds and find myself going back to a more normal everyday sled.The big hp is fun to point at a hill and rocket up but other then that it's just not needed.A new 700 or 800 sled will go anywhere my 1150 did except the huge pulls and I don't do those anymore because of the avy danger and I'm getting old too..hahaha

Like 4Z said,he went from a 1200 tripple to a fairly stock 800 twin and is having WAY more fun..It makes you ride and makes things a challenge instead of just how fast can you climb something..

 

[mountainhorse]

Mark,

Thanks for the well thought reply.

I agree with you about the "Numbers thing".....

Maybe I should have asked more as a comparative... Like what kind of "difference" or "%" are we talking about here. PLUS Brandy was saying that she missed the power a bit from her edge.

My point being that a conservatively boosted 700 Dragon may just fit her needs and still be a reliable pump, pull & go kind of sled. Heck, I think that a conservatly boosted 600 would do it!

To tell you the truth... The most "Fun Factor" sled I ever had was provided by a gentleman in BC who let me borrow his wifes sled when mine lost a piston...

It was a 2006 REV 550 Fan with every lightweight goodie on it and a little engine work. It was a 144 x 2 x 16 and it really put a smile on my face... That sled was sub-400 lbs with oil, no gas..... definately a smile maker.

After talking with Mark Holz at his shop last year, the big cc thing is getting pushed back a little for me too. He said that the funnest sled he'd built was his 600cc single piped 600 IQR mountain mod. All the chassis and plenty of power.

If you recall our PM's last season, I asked you this same question and the reply was that big power was what mattered.... good to see evolution happening.

Trust me, the "I'm getting old" thing is setting in for me as well at 43 and I have never wanted a race gas or race-mix sled (or even a pre-mix). Pull and go, no messing with power valves etc is the kind of sled that I want.

I just wish that I had a digital-wrench program to be able to work on the electronics myself.

My desire for a turbo would be to have an efficient sled, run say 7 - 8 lbs of boost, and hopefully with an intercooler, be able to keep the charge temps down enough to run pump gas. Consistency more than top performance.

I didn't know that Lynn got off that edge and into an IQ!

Even Wurston is going to run a 700 in this next custom build he is doing.

 

[Comp 670]

Lynns still on a edge,just without the tripple...

Brandy will prob miss the power for about 2 min but then forget she had it because of how much worry free fun she is having...

 

[Slick]

Well I don't know the lady involved, but if shes as good a rider as I assume she is, she's gonna be satisfied with the fun factor and ..flickability (dumb word) as long as the snows a bit set up, but when it gets deeeeep and fluuuffffy, I'm thinking the lack of HP is gonna be missed bigtime.
Thats been my experience with trying to go smaller HP, its fun in the spring, but I sure wouldn't want to have to play in hills big or little with the snow up to my whazoo I don't care how Flickable it is.
HP is just to much fun, especially once you've become accustomed to having it under your thumb all the time.
JMO, but I hope it works out for ya.

 

[snoboy]

Guys lets not forget that just a few short years ago a 700 was making 117 hp and you could pump the pi$$ out of it and be in the mid 130s. An 800 was making 130 to start and we piped and ported etc. to get upper 140s. Now a 700 has an honest 140hp out of the box and an 800 is 154hp. My new 7 with a couple of quickies is already way more impressive than several 2-3 yr. old decent 800s I've ridden. I don't think the new CFI engines can be fairly compared to the stuff that's just a few years old. The newer stuff just make more robust power and with the new chassis' the sleds are simply wayyy better right out of the box. I think with a few goodies, Brandy will really fall in love with her new 7. Powdergirl has a new 7 and she thinks it's the cat's meow. Just my .02 on the issue.

snoboy

 

[POLZIN]

My ridding partner bought an 08 D8 last week and you cold not knock the smile of his face with a sledgehammer big reduction in ponies but overall alot more fun to ride than his edge mod.

 

[2zeros]

Where's Graveler's input?

I read this whole thing to see what Graveler was gonna say!

 

[CoyoteGirl]

Got to ride my girl in the Washington powder (2') last Wednesday and well, she needs more power! I had a riot on a few hills sidehilling back and forth to get to the top. Not so much of a riot on one steep hill..... lol Gave her all she had, all I had and got DENIED! lol I was almost ticked... the turbos were on top of the hill having giggles at me. oh well. She is definitely nimble and fun, but when you run out of poop... you run out of poop! hehe Running her through the trees is alot less work..... I feel more narrow, (my butt looks smaller on this sled!) like I can squeek through tighter areas.

The other difference is I'm use to pulling up to the bottom of the hill, gunning it and going over. Now, I start 100' back, full throttle never let out til I top out. In some situations, I miss the old. But it's kinda fun this way. This is reminding me how fun it is to fight your way there....

The a-arms are such a huge improvement over t-arms for sidehilling. She is so stable and effortless on a nice long sidehill. The bumps on the trail are more manageable w/ them as well.

In the heavy snow I have gotten brushed off a few times when going downhill and cutting her back up. Don't think there is anything I can do about that except not to cut up as tight of a U. But that is so fun........

Moved the bars forward and that helped. This week she is getting the Better Boards. I've almost busted my chops on the running boards after they got packed w/ snow...... Man I hate cutting up a perfectly good sled! Also getting a riser. I tried it with out, just need more height.

But, what the heck is up w/ starting these things? The 1150 was hand bruising to start, but if I pulled hard and fast I could get it started w/ about 2' of the cord. This little bugger will not start, no matter how hard or fast I pull, until I reach the end of the cord! What is that all about?

Anyhow, that's the update.

 

[Xrider]

Shoulda got a skidoo then you could have seen the top!!

 

[modsledr]

Shoulda got a skidoo then you could have seen the top!!

there's gotta be one in every crowd.

 

[graveler]

I read this whole thing to see what Graveler was gonna say!

you will have to check the Ignore list, I am near the top for my weather reports

 

[phatty]

Got to ride my girl in the Washington powder (2') last Wednesday and well, she needs more power! I had a riot on a few hills sidehilling back and forth to get to the top. Not so much of a riot on one steep hill..... lol Gave her all she had, all I had and got DENIED! lol I was almost ticked... the turbos were on top of the hill having giggles at me. oh well. She is definitely nimble and fun, but when you run out of poop... you run out of poop! hehe Running her through the trees is alot less work..... I feel more narrow, (my butt looks smaller on this sled!) like I can squeek through tighter areas.

The other difference is I'm use to pulling up to the bottom of the hill, gunning it and going over. Now, I start 100' back, full throttle never let out til I top out. In some situations, I miss the old. But it's kinda fun this way. This is reminding me how fun it is to fight your way there....

The a-arms are such a huge improvement over t-arms for sidehilling. She is so stable and effortless on a nice long sidehill. The bumps on the trail are more manageable w/ them as well.

In the heavy snow I have gotten brushed off a few times when going downhill and cutting her back up. Don't think there is anything I can do about that except not to cut up as tight of a U. But that is so fun........

Moved the bars forward and that helped. This week she is getting the Better Boards. I've almost busted my chops on the running boards after they got packed w/ snow...... Man I hate cutting up a perfectly good sled! Also getting a riser. I tried it with out, just need more height.

But, what the heck is up w/ starting these things? The 1150 was hand bruising to start, but if I pulled hard and fast I could get it started w/ about 2' of the cord. This little bugger will not start, no matter how hard or fast I pull, until I reach the end of the cord! What is that all about?

Anyhow, that's the update.

LOL i cant believe you waited so long to get the better boards...

make sure and watch your cables on your riser. I think the D8 riser is at least 1 if not 2" taller.

last thing... BOOST!!! same great ride, lots more power!!!

 

[F-Bomb]

Phatty she didn't wait that long...I screwed up and sent her plain old boring non-powder coated Better Boards when she deserved powder! Brandy one thing that might help you is to go ahead and ram that thing into a tree. It so much easier to cut on if it has a ding or two! Or even better you go drink wine and have somebody else do the hacking! It's less painful to just see it when it's done. EH PHATTY?

 

[MOB]

I read this whole thing to see what Graveler was gonna say!

LMAO

 

[phatty]

Phatty she didn't wait that long...I screwed up and sent her plain old boring non-powder coated Better Boards when she deserved powder! Brandy one thing that might help you is to go ahead and ram that thing into a tree. It so much easier to cut on if it has a ding or two! Or even better you go drink wine and have somebody else do the hacking! It's less painful to just see it when it's done. EH PHATTY?

best thing i ever did was send that sled with you! Then i showed up and it was all done perfect and pretty! I could not have been happier

Did she get the black ones?

 

[CoyoteGirl]

best thing i ever did was send that sled with you! Then i showed up and it was all done perfect and pretty! I could not have been happier

Did she get the black ones?

Yup, got the black ones. Installed today. First side took FOREVA! 2nd side.... I no longer cared that I was cutting up a perfectly good sled and just went for it. Done in no time.

Man, I hope I don't slip and catch an elbow on those things........ can you say "TRIP TO HOSPITAL!" Yikes

Oh, and ROB! You didn't tell me I had the choice of installation and wine sipping. I'd have paid extra for that!

 

[phatty]

Yup, got the black ones. Installed today. First side took FOREVA! 2nd side.... I no longer cared that I was cutting up a perfectly good sled and just went for it. Done in no time.

Man, I hope I don't slip and catch an elbow on those things........ can you say "TRIP TO HOSPITAL!" Yikes

Oh, and ROB! You didn't tell me I had the choice of installation and wine sipping. I'd have paid extra for that!

those black boards are sick! Tell us how you like them! I honestly felt like i could attack the hill, carves, whatever a whole lot faster because i had traction and clean boards with solid footing... its amazing what that will do for ya!