Great new thread, post if you can ......

[jimmy buffet]

i cant believe this thread is still going........

now your quoting scripture... 90% of the people on here have not read the bible cover to cover and dont know what theses words mean. nor do you. read the bible 1,2,3,4,5 times and each time you will look at things diffrently, as do others. who is to say your interpration is the right one. read this thread front to back, then comment on it. most has been talked about and now starting up again. tell me what this means, do you follow it, its HIS words?????? had to steal part of your post eric

Your bible is full of hatred, old and new testement, (proverbs 13:24, 20:30, and 23:13-14 If they are shameless enough to talk back to us we shall kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Mark 7:9-13, and Matthew 15:4-7) "we must also stone people to death for heresy, adultry, homosexuality, working on the sabbath, worshiping graven images, practicing sorcery" and on and on.

Eric

 

[savedbygrace]

A hand full of bible verses??...do you even know what these verses say? Every single one of the OT (Old Testament) verses brought up here are about, disobedient children or disciplining your children. The two NT (New Testament) verses mentioned are Jesus referring back to the OT scriptures and pointing out how the religious leaders of the day contradict the law which they profess to be upholding, the law which they nether understand nor can uphold themselves. I have to wonder do, these verses strike some sort of deep resentment by the person/s who posted them?...or where they just looking for something biblical that appeared to back up their argument, and once they found one, they simply strung together all the verses in the study notes at the bottom of the page that related to the first one they stumbled upon… the later being the most likely. Then to top it off Jimmy tells everyone that they should “read The Bible 1,2,3,4,5 times” he himself being is so quick to practice what he preaches, barrows a handful of verse someone else has already looked up, and posted.

Jimmy I have read this thread from the beginning, and I have to say man, you have a whole bunch more faith than I do, believing that your gggggggggggggeat-great daddy was a monkey. Of chorus I haven’t met you in person and I hear chimps are doing some pretty amazing things these days…more proof of evolution…who knows you may even be the missing-link.

But since you’ve taken the time to bring these particular verses back up, I guess I’ll take the time to answer on them.
What is going on here is, bits and pieces have been tossed out there having been taken out of context, Satan has used this tactic before
(Matthew 4: 5-7 & Luke 4: 9-12). Just goes to show there really is nothing new under the sun.

The OT verses that were brought up all have to do with disciplining your children, and one even commands that a child that remains disobedient must be put to death. Sounds pretty harsh I know, but put it into context and you will see that the OT picture is God dealing with His children, then Israel, and now us that are Christens. This picture show us how God deals with sin radically, and expects us to do the same, “because the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Now if we being children of God are disobedient to God than the penalty is death. The OT law shows us that we all are disobedient, that we all fall short “There is none righteous, no, not one;…”(Romans 3:10).

But there is good news (the gospel), through Christ Jesus we can be made righteous, because God the father, creator of heaven and earth, sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins, and when our sins held him there on the cross till death, He was put into a tomb, and three days later He rose from the dead, concurring death for all that believes in Him.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life”. John 3:16

This is a free gift from God, it can not be earned, and is offered to every one who will except it regardless of age, gender, color, or creed. All you need do is ask Jesus into your hart, surrender you life to him, and ask forgiveness for the fallen state in which your in…He will do things in you which are amazing, revealing himself to you in ways you never thought possible…

 

[opus]

But there is good news (the gospel), through Christ Jesus we can be made righteous, because God the father, creator of heaven and earth, sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins, and when our sins held him there on the cross till death, He was put into a tomb, and three days later He rose from the dead, concurring death for all that believes in Him.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life”. John 3:16

This is a free gift from God, it can not be earned, and is offered to every one who will except it regardless of age, gender, color, or creed. All you need do is ask Jesus into your hart, surrender you life to him, and ask forgiveness for the fallen state in which your in…He will do things in you which are amazing, revealing himself to you in ways you never thought possible…

Absolute bottom line, clear and precise, great post!

 

[H2SNOW]

i cant believe this thread is still going........

now your quoting scripture... 90% of the people on here have not read the bible cover to cover and dont know what theses words mean. nor do you. read the bible 1,2,3,4,5 times and each time you will look at things diffrently, as do others. who is to say your interpration is the right one. read this thread front to back, then comment on it. most has been talked about and now starting up again. tell me what this means, do you follow it, its HIS words?????? had to steal part of your post eric

believe it ...ahahahhbhaha

gotta catch up on all the posts this is great

 

[MTm7]

A hand full of bible verses??...do you even know what these verses say? Every single one of the OT (Old Testament) verses brought up here are about, disobedient children or disciplining your children. The two NT (New Testament) verses mentioned are Jesus referring back to the OT scriptures and pointing out how the religious leaders of the day contradict the law which they profess to be upholding, the law which they nether understand nor can uphold themselves. I have to wonder do, these verses strike some sort of deep resentment by the person/s who posted them?...or where they just looking for something biblical that appeared to back up their argument, and once they found one, they simply strung together all the verses in the study notes at the bottom of the page that related to the first one they stumbled upon… the later being the most likely. Then to top it off Jimmy tells everyone that they should “read The Bible 1,2,3,4,5 times” he himself being is so quick to practice what he preaches, barrows a handful of verse someone else has already looked up, and posted.

Jimmy I have read this thread from the beginning, and I have to say man, you have a whole bunch more faith than I do, believing that your gggggggggggggeat-great daddy was a monkey. Of chorus I haven’t met you in person and I hear chimps are doing some pretty amazing things these days…more proof of evolution…who knows you may even be the missing-link.

But since you’ve taken the time to bring these particular verses back up, I guess I’ll take the time to answer on them.
What is going on here is, bits and pieces have been tossed out there having been taken out of context, Satan has used this tactic before
(Matthew 4: 5-7 & Luke 4: 9-12). Just goes to show there really is nothing new under the sun.

The OT verses that were brought up all have to do with disciplining your children, and one even commands that a child that remains disobedient must be put to death. Sounds pretty harsh I know, but put it into context and you will see that the OT picture is God dealing with His children, then Israel, and now us that are Christens. This picture show us how God deals with sin radically, and expects us to do the same, “because the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Now if we being children of God are disobedient to God than the penalty is death. The OT law shows us that we all are disobedient, that we all fall short “There is none righteous, no, not one;…”(Romans 3:10).

But there is good news (the gospel), through Christ Jesus we can be made righteous, because God the father, creator of heaven and earth, sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins, and when our sins held him there on the cross till death, He was put into a tomb, and three days later He rose from the dead, concurring death for all that believes in Him.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life”. John 3:16

This is a free gift from God, it can not be earned, and is offered to every one who will except it regardless of age, gender, color, or creed. All you need do is ask Jesus into your hart, surrender you life to him, and ask forgiveness for the fallen state in which your in…He will do things in you which are amazing, revealing himself to you in ways you never thought possible…

good post!

 

[jimmy buffet]

A hand full of bible verses??...do you even know what these verses say? Every single one of the OT (Old Testament) verses brought up here are about, disobedient children or disciplining your children. The two NT (New Testament) verses mentioned are Jesus referring back to the OT scriptures and pointing out how the religious leaders of the day contradict the law which they profess to be upholding, the law which they nether understand nor can uphold themselves. I have to wonder do, these verses strike some sort of deep resentment by the person/s who posted them?...or where they just looking for something biblical that appeared to back up their argument, and once they found one, they simply strung together all the verses in the study notes at the bottom of the page that related to the first one they stumbled upon… the later being the most likely. Then to top it off Jimmy tells everyone that they should “read The Bible 1,2,3,4,5 times” he himself being is so quick to practice what he preaches, barrows a handful of verse someone else has already looked up, and posted.

Jimmy I have read this thread from the beginning, and I have to say man, you have a whole bunch more faith than I do, believing that your gggggggggggggeat-great daddy was a monkey. Of chorus I haven’t met you in person and I hear chimps are doing some pretty amazing things these days…more proof of evolution…who knows you may even be the missing-link.

But since you’ve taken the time to bring these particular verses back up, I guess I’ll take the time to answer on them.
What is going on here is, bits and pieces have been tossed out there having been taken out of context, Satan has used this tactic before
(Matthew 4: 5-7 & Luke 4: 9-12). Just goes to show there really is nothing new under the sun.

The OT verses that were brought up all have to do with disciplining your children, and one even commands that a child that remains disobedient must be put to death. Sounds pretty harsh I know, but put it into context and you will see that the OT picture is God dealing with His children, then Israel, and now us that are Christens. This picture show us how God deals with sin radically, and expects us to do the same, “because the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Now if we being children of God are disobedient to God than the penalty is death. The OT law shows us that we all are disobedient, that we all fall short “There is none righteous, no, not one;…”(Romans 3:10).

But there is good news (the gospel), through Christ Jesus we can be made righteous, because God the father, creator of heaven and earth, sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins, and when our sins held him there on the cross till death, He was put into a tomb, and three days later He rose from the dead, concurring death for all that believes in Him.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life”. John 3:16

This is a free gift from God, it can not be earned, and is offered to every one who will except it regardless of age, gender, color, or creed. All you need do is ask Jesus into your hart, surrender you life to him, and ask forgiveness for the fallen state in which your in…He will do things in you which are amazing, revealing himself to you in ways you never thought possible…

gracy, i will try to anwser your questions in order,

yes, i believe we came from single cell organism and evol. animals and humans are still evolving to this day. has taken millions of years but yes i do. i dont believe in a fairy tale as you do. sit back and think non religion for a minute. a man created a place to live that he himself did not live? then made plants and animals for all to live. sent his only son to die for everyone. if he is almighty why not have anymore kids? son floats with his dad in the sky and watches everyone live. then takes kids and in the old test. kill them as you stated if they didnt belong? would you kill your kid if he does wrong? doesnt sound like a man i would pray too. besides a book written by man of his words, what is proof of this fairy tale? has anyone ever met him, has he done anything for you. have you prayed for anything and got it. the anwser is no. you or others have done it all. say your child, you and another human made them, not god. came from goo as i believe we did. you have a job, as you went to the interveiw and got it. has someone died and you prayed to save them, and they either died or a dr. helped them. as for the bible, i read it as a kid as i was forced to by my parents. now that im old enough, and make my own choises i see how silly it is. now i do what i think is right, and have never had any problems. i have a wife and a child, good job, nice house and money in the bank. all that my wife and i have earned. spend my time doing family events, treating others the way i want to be treated. have many friends that would die for me. all this and not believing in god or jesus. and for others that do believe have half to nothing compared to me. lonely, single, poor, hate. but they believe god will show them the way. not everyone is as lucky as i am, as other are more. believe in god or not. just saying to me, i have better thing to do with my time then to read a out dated book, go to church to hear a man tell me his way of how to live my life. and a fairy tale of how he came along.

 

[savedbygrace]

Jimmy…wow sad story…my heart goes out to you man.

I have to tell you, a couple of years ago I would have sided with you on this, but God has opened my eyes to something bigger than all the junk of this world. You know, the good job, the nice house, the money in the bank, don’t get me wrong that stuff's all fine and dandy, but if that’s all there is…no thanks… Oh and the relationships of this world, the wife, the kids, you even mentioned some friends that would die for you, that’s all fine too, a real blessing…if you see it that way… but I’ll tell you what, I have a friend that did die for me, in fact He was born so that He could die for me, and He offers the same to you, all you have to do is receive it…

 

[Slick]

You see, we were going along OK, but as always, someone who believes themselves saved, thereby smarter or wiser, just can't miss an opportunity to attempt the "convert by insinuation " method thats drilled into them. The contention is its for "my own good", but as the congregations get bigger, the Churches get more and more palatial, and the bank accounts get fatter, I can't stop the doubt from creeping in.
Maybe if the churches started staying open for the hungry and homeless, regardless of their faith, or paying taxes in their communities, or spending the money on things that benefit all folks, not just the ones who can afford or be willinig to sacrifice enough to be deemed deserving.
Churches were at one time there to serve the community, but its unfortunate that the reverse seems to be the norm.
I am strong in my beliefs, but not convinced I can't be heard if I'm not worshipping in a multi-million dollar structure. What a vain God that would be.
Wow, out it came.

 

[skidoorulz]

This thread was titled Great new thread post if you can. And then goes on to say post if you are a Christian. Everyone knows how I feel about myself. Now to the non beleivers. You come on to a thread that you clearly should not post on, just by the title alone, You talk about all the Christians who try to "force" their beleif onto you. And what do you do? You try to force your beliefs onto people yourselves. Personally I and I am sure others here do not care what you do or do not beleive in. Seems to me now days way to many people in this country and world worship the all mighty greenback and their own self gratification and call the word of God a fairy tale. I quess that is just their way of convincing themselves that they are right. Just my 2 cents worth again.

Savedbygrace, good post.

 

[BigTruck]

AND THIS LADIES AND GENTLEMAN IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE WARS!!!!

 

[MTm7]

You see, we were going along OK, but as always, someone who believes themselves saved, thereby smarter or wiser, just can't miss an opportunity to attempt the "convert by insinuation " method thats drilled into them. The contention is its for "my own good", but as the congregations get bigger, the Churches get more and more palatial, and the bank accounts get fatter, I can't stop the doubt from creeping in.
Maybe if the churches started staying open for the hungry and homeless, regardless of their faith, or paying taxes in their communities, or spending the money on things that benefit all folks, not just the ones who can afford or be willinig to sacrifice enough to be deemed deserving.
Churches were at one time there to serve the community, but its unfortunate that the reverse seems to be the norm.
I am strong in my beliefs, but not convinced I can't be heard if I'm not worshipping in a multi-million dollar structure. What a vain God that would be.
Wow, out it came.

i dont know savedbygrace but i dont think he thinks he is wiser or smarter. he is just trying \to share the good news(gospel). salvation is a very individual thing but not something that you hide. by implication of it being good news a guy obviously wants to share it with others.

the convert by insinuation.... i (nor savedbygrace) would never want to convert you or anybody. you would be no better off than before. i would be guilty of proselytizing. regeneration(conversion) is the work of God not man. and the means of that is the gospel..."for i am not ashamed of the gospel , for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes...."(romans 1:16)

regarding the big "palatial" churches.... imo... you should be weary of those. not all but the majority of them have the Priority mixed up. they make much of themselves rather than God.

 

[H2SNOW]

soooooooo what you are saying is that in a couple million more years the mushrooms that I am cookin with my steak will eventualy turn into a ladybug ...course we are all evolving right ..??

out of the millions of species of plants animals,fruits vegetables etc ...at what point in the evolutionary scale is an orange ???

like will it still be good to eat in 40,000ad ...or what ??

please explain ...Im kinda dumb

 

[blindman]

what bigtruck said

organized religion is for the weak...

as they need a crutch to use, as they can't do the right thing by themselves...or need an excuse to hide behind.....

blahh blAHH BLAHH...

like that john lennon lennon song....

imagine.... no religion too..

but hey then i would have no place to ride as earth would look like an ant hill.

however as far as religions go...i do like my lds neighbors the best.

jmo and totally agree with doome

 

[H2SNOW]

organized religion is for the weak...

as they need a crutch to use, as they can't do the right thing by themselves...or need an excuse to hide behind.....

blahh blAHH BLAHH...

like that john lennon lennon song....

imagine.... no religion too..

but hey then i would have no place to ride as earth would look like an ant hill.

however as far as religions go...i do like my lds neighbors the best.

jmo and totally agree with doome

course the Beatles were running the hary kritchna (sp) deal...

nice to you u 2 blindman

 

[winter brew]

The question is actually for you; What is “it” that you need…where do you need “it”…and when can God be there to minister “it”…?

See, God wants to have a personal intimate relationship with you as an individual, so “it” can be a multitude of different things, but more specifically the very thing that you may need at the very time you may need “it” in the very place that you may be…

…and no “it” wasn’t lost in translation…if you would like a copy of the original Greek text let me know…...

This is where I get confused. I agree with the individual relationship with my God, but in an earlier post I stated that I didn't believe in organized "group" religion and was told an individual relationship is unacceptable...I must sit in a building (the right building) and have the relationship with my God that the guy behind the podium tells me and all the other people to have...even though we are all different and have different needs we all get the same info and must live by this or burn in hell.
I don't consider myself religious, but do believe in a God. I have not read the bible but I can probably summarize it quite accuratly as to it's intent. Just because a person doesn't sit in a pew once a week doesn't mean they can't have a relationship with God and be a kind, giving and caring person that has a much better shot at getting through the pearly gates than the majority of the pew warmers. JMO

 

[Slick]

I think the point you're missing winterbrew, is that if we all did that in our own way and our own time, where would the money come from to build those big glorious church complexes. Apparently a huge factor in Gods eyes, according to some.

 

[summitdude]

i'm replying to your thread..but in the general section under "to all believers..and non believers!
i've spent some time righting my response and did not want to have it buried in the pages back here!

i dont mean any disrespect..but just want to share it with all!

hope you will understand!

 

[savedbygrace]

This is where I get confused. I agree with the individual relationship with my God, but in an earlier post I stated that I didn't believe in organized "group" religion and was told an individual relationship is unacceptable...I must sit in a building (the right building) and have the relationship with my God that the guy behind the podium tells me and all the other people to have...even though we are all different and have different needs we all get the same info and must live by this or burn in hell.
I don't consider myself religious, but do believe in a God. I have not read the bible but I can probably summarize it quite accuratly as to it's intent. Just because a person doesn't sit in a pew once a week doesn't mean they can't have a relationship with God and be a kind, giving and caring person that has a much better shot at getting through the pearly gates than the majority of the pew warmers. JMO

winterbrew, I think your right about what you call “organized religion”. If I understand you right, I think what you are talking about is what I would refer to a “legalism” and what Paul the apostle refers to in Galatians as “those who are of the circumcision” (Galatians 2:12). See even at the very onset of Christianity the legalists of the day (the religious leaders and those of the circumcision) followed behind the Christians, came to those who believed on Christ and then heaped all this other stuff on them, at the time it just happened to be circumcision (not a pretty picture for a grown man if you know what I mean). The legalists of today will try to load you down with their own stuff, dress this way, walk this way, talk this way, touch this, don’t touch that, drink this, don’t drink that, eat this, don’t eat that, worship here, don’t worship there, and on, and on, and on…until they have created a life for you that you can’t live, nor can they. You don’t have to look very deep to see that those who profess to live this way hide behind their works, and lie about who they really are, even to themselves. All of this stuff is physical, and God is spirit.

God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
Jesus, (John 4:24)

Don’t let all this legalism bog you down though, the gospel message really is as simple as I’ve already stated; Jesus was born to die on the cross for our sins, he rose three days later conquering death for all that believes in him…that’s it…

 

[MTm7]

This is where I get confused. I agree with the individual relationship with my God, but in an earlier post I stated that I didn't believe in organized "group" religion and was told an individual relationship is unacceptable...I must sit in a building (the right building) and have the relationship with my God that the guy behind the podium tells me and all the other people to have...even though we are all different and have different needs we all get the same info and must live by this or burn in hell.
I don't consider myself religious, but do believe in a God. I have not read the bible but I can probably summarize it quite accuratly as to it's intent. Just because a person doesn't sit in a pew once a week doesn't mean they can't have a relationship with God and be a kind, giving and caring person that has a much better shot at getting through the pearly gates than the majority of the pew warmers. JMO

biblically speaking what is a church? well it is not a building, not a thing a person "does", not a time, ... etc. the church is the body of believers. in the context of the bible the word church is used in reference to the local body of believers. so yes group religion(in general terms) is something that is biblical. so to say you believe in a relationship(individual) but not corporatly(sp?) is somewhat of a contradiction. yes a person can have a relationship with god and not be part of a local body but that should change overtime. also, you dont burn in hell because you do or dont act/live a certain way. "yet we know that a person is not justified(a legal declaration stating your not guilty based on the finished work of christ) by works of the law but through faith in jesus christ..."(galatians 2:16). lastly, what is your summary of the bible?

 

[H2SNOW]

heres a gooder bout evolution lol

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1041/1041_01.asp?wpc=1041_01.asp&wpp=a