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Jaynelson
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Fair question. Offering a warranty is literally putting your money where your mouth is in this case. Regardless of ones personal views on this...Dan must be confident in his solution to back it up with warranty....that says a lot to me. He'll the manufacturer would skip out on warranty if they thought they could lol
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RKT
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Ya know, there is and always will be a warranty on ALL of RK Tek products...This has been the case since we opened the doors decades ago.
Ya know Harbor Freight has a lifetime warranty on all their products as well..
and boast about it as well...Point being.. Boasting about a warranty does not make the product a great product (take Harbor Freight products as an example.. we all know they are not so good..)
It just means you can return the failed product and get more of the SAME inferior product.
Note: I am not comparing HF tools to ID's engine fixes... Just trying to point out that flashy warranties do not always equal a solid product...
Again.. all of our products have always had a warranty attached to them.. We just do not brag about it on EBAY and public forums..
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RKT
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What really sucks about these threads like this is the fact we even have to have them. We shouldnt be trying to figure out ways to make an engine last after one or two seasons of riding!
This is a true statement.. For the price of these new sleds, they should not be plagued with these kind of issues.. Couldn't agree more...
But, the reality is that they are and that they need some help..
So, we do not need people trying to convince other owners that their cylinder is out of spec or that the rod is too short....
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Looks like Kelsey has something to say about everything, whether it's right or wrong. Don't know him or Dan, but just from all of Kelsey's reply's in this thread and others, he's the last guy I would deal with. Way to cocky, on the side of being a know it all.
You were asked in a earlier post what your warrenty was and you nicely talked around it.
WHAT IS YOUR WARRENTY? CAN YOU GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER FOR ONCE.
You were asked in a earlier post what your warrenty was and you nicely talked around it.
WHAT IS YOUR WARRENTY? CAN YOU GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER FOR ONCE.
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Pride and Passion
Life is good... you both are stand up shops that are helping a lot of people out. Both passionate about your work... You have more in common than you think. Both strong willed and intelligent... You both have different ways to serve it up.
You guys need to meet up out west and spend a day riding and have a beer and steak afterward.
Life is good... life is short... Live it up... stop being so serious and believe in your own work... it will speak for itself.
Life is good... you both are stand up shops that are helping a lot of people out. Both passionate about your work... You have more in common than you think. Both strong willed and intelligent... You both have different ways to serve it up.
You guys need to meet up out west and spend a day riding and have a beer and steak afterward.
Life is good... life is short... Live it up... stop being so serious and believe in your own work... it will speak for itself.
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Clearance!
Kelsey you have finally explained your position! Your a piston man and Dan is a clearance man! Your hook and bait tactics should get you a spot on Celebrity Apprentice! Both of you have very swelled heads but then all successful people do but your tactics on a social medium is just not cool! I have not run or dealt with your stuff so I will stop here! Dan has been spot on when I have needed something and if my question is warranted I get an answer. Same has applied with Hauck, Aaen, Bender, Artco Race, Polaris race on and on. If you BS these guys the phone goes dead or they get personal for wasting there time. But REALY Kelsey forged 4 stroke in your examples is like Mars to earth! We and I include myself with dealers and others in my flatland area that have done this stuff for far to long and have run every combination of cast to forged chromed, nicasil, sleeved in sno twisters, srx's, zr's whatever we could modify with usually my stuff being the guinea pig. Stock configurations ALLWAYS last the longest! Sometimes all they need is a little help. The minimum we have been able to make a forged piston last in RACING applications is .006 unless you dump a ton of fuel to it so the dome doesn't go squeak! They expand too fast and too far compared to cast in a naturally aspirated motor! When I can take a motor down in 400 feet it is either too tight or lean! Only other way is a bad crank, phase or way out of tolerance. We even tried oxy propylene which was dumb and we didn't know enough about at the time. This is something that has been going on for way longer then any of us on this forum have been around. Comes down to warranty, cost and profit margins. Didn't Chevy just have some issues with piston slap! Just rebuilt an 800 cat with this same problem all be it 2003. My ZR's had it and they were 600's. There was a time when clutches wore out motors and it wasn't that far back! Remember the 1980 srx's? Most beautiful sled ever produced in my mind. I found my third one from a guy in Utah that saved it from a dealer there. It had 1600 mountain miles on it and still had mountain clutching in it. Hood and seat gone but the motor was like new yet! Why is that? Come to find out it was ridden at 8 to 10000 feet all of its life! Here at 1800 at 1000 miles it would of needed pistons. Clutch would of needed rebuilding every 2 to 400 depending on the operator. Don't get me wrong mountain ridding is still hard on machines but the design margins are way less because of the loss in horse power! Enough rambling if the manufacturers could control us users maybe they could build a tighter motor not? Of course not because they need them to wear out to sell more hence your management and bean counters. Kelsey you and Dan are there biggest nightmares because now they live longer! Warrantys sell more sleds, cars, campers whatever. That is what angers me! Now I am hearing there is a dollar limit on my 4 year warranty? We should be up in arms! When I need my warranty is the 4th year! Enough wasted energy! Good Night! Out!
Kelsey you have finally explained your position! Your a piston man and Dan is a clearance man! Your hook and bait tactics should get you a spot on Celebrity Apprentice! Both of you have very swelled heads but then all successful people do but your tactics on a social medium is just not cool! I have not run or dealt with your stuff so I will stop here! Dan has been spot on when I have needed something and if my question is warranted I get an answer. Same has applied with Hauck, Aaen, Bender, Artco Race, Polaris race on and on. If you BS these guys the phone goes dead or they get personal for wasting there time. But REALY Kelsey forged 4 stroke in your examples is like Mars to earth! We and I include myself with dealers and others in my flatland area that have done this stuff for far to long and have run every combination of cast to forged chromed, nicasil, sleeved in sno twisters, srx's, zr's whatever we could modify with usually my stuff being the guinea pig. Stock configurations ALLWAYS last the longest! Sometimes all they need is a little help. The minimum we have been able to make a forged piston last in RACING applications is .006 unless you dump a ton of fuel to it so the dome doesn't go squeak! They expand too fast and too far compared to cast in a naturally aspirated motor! When I can take a motor down in 400 feet it is either too tight or lean! Only other way is a bad crank, phase or way out of tolerance. We even tried oxy propylene which was dumb and we didn't know enough about at the time. This is something that has been going on for way longer then any of us on this forum have been around. Comes down to warranty, cost and profit margins. Didn't Chevy just have some issues with piston slap! Just rebuilt an 800 cat with this same problem all be it 2003. My ZR's had it and they were 600's. There was a time when clutches wore out motors and it wasn't that far back! Remember the 1980 srx's? Most beautiful sled ever produced in my mind. I found my third one from a guy in Utah that saved it from a dealer there. It had 1600 mountain miles on it and still had mountain clutching in it. Hood and seat gone but the motor was like new yet! Why is that? Come to find out it was ridden at 8 to 10000 feet all of its life! Here at 1800 at 1000 miles it would of needed pistons. Clutch would of needed rebuilding every 2 to 400 depending on the operator. Don't get me wrong mountain ridding is still hard on machines but the design margins are way less because of the loss in horse power! Enough rambling if the manufacturers could control us users maybe they could build a tighter motor not? Of course not because they need them to wear out to sell more hence your management and bean counters. Kelsey you and Dan are there biggest nightmares because now they live longer! Warrantys sell more sleds, cars, campers whatever. That is what angers me! Now I am hearing there is a dollar limit on my 4 year warranty? We should be up in arms! When I need my warranty is the 4th year! Enough wasted energy! Good Night! Out!
I am relaxed, I did read, and it says he would stand behind his product, but doesn't say for how long. I want him to tell us what his warrenty is. Indy Dan has said his, just want a comparison.
Thanks for the post adding the photo that shows the cylinder to have a circular cut out that creates a stress riser, that also has a thinner section to add even more stress concentration. Basic engineering stress analysis books show large increases in stress when ever a structure has a cut out... If a cut out radius is small as shown in photo stress can increase by a factor of 4, that is a fact Jack...
So a simple improvement remove the cut out to remove a large stress concentration... Do you want a destroyed engine or loose 2 HP???
But I think Dan's thicker cylinder reinforcement still has a circular cut out with the same stress concentration, most likely is stronger due to the thicker section only???...
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Jaynelson
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Sorry, I didn't mean that as dig or anything. An engine warranty on a 2stroke 800 sled motor from an aftermarket company is impressive to me. Particularly on an engine that is imperfect in Oem form. Anyone whos had a few sleds has likely ran into some type of engine issue and can sympathize. I don't know the particulars of the rkt warranty or how it would compare. I can understand not wanting to come across as bragging....however, it was a fair question for someone to ask given the nature of the discussion. You don't come across as a super modest dude on here (not a bad thing, just an observation)....so I don't understand why warranty would be kept close to the chest when it's a potential selling feature.Ya know, there is and always will be a warranty on ALL of RK Tek products...This has been the case since we opened the doors decades ago.
Ya know Harbor Freight has a lifetime warranty on all their products as well..
Point being.. Boasting about a warranty does not make the product a great product (take Harbor Freight products as an example.. we all know they are not so good..)
It just means you can return the failed product and get more of the SAME inferior product.
Note: I am not comparing HF tools to ID's engine fixes... Just trying to point out that flashy warranties do not always equal a solid product...
Again.. all of our products have always had a warranty attached to them.. We just do not brag about it on EBAY and public forums..
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RKT
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Jay, great points for sure..
You are right , but there is a big difference between bragging and confidence in ones products You will never see me bragging on a public forum... . But I do not see how having confidence in ones product is a negative thing???
I think one of the main issues is the manner in which I type.. I am a very lousy typer and do NOT "pre-plan" my responses..
I shoot from the hip, so to speak, and I like to get right to the point... This, I KNOW, comes off wrong sometimes and that is unfortunate, but I can not control how "TYPING" is preceived..nor do I have the patience or desire to write some political correct response.
Take this thread, for example, I have not once made any personal attacks or negative comment towards anybody, YET, the perception is that I am doing just that.. People like to infer hidden meanings in all writings and can always find 1 or 12 in there if they ar elooking.. The REAL thing is that I do NOT have any hidden meanings in the responses.. I just call it like I see it and it really shoul dbe taken for what it is NOT for what people can twist it into.
But I can not control that and am OK with it... I fully expect that the bargage of personal attacks from certain people here will continue but I prefer to stay on the technical side of the writing and leave the personal attacks out of it.
In this thread I am ONLY trying to point on mis-conceptions regarding the engine in question.. honestly, trying to HELP other sled owners with FACTUAL information regarding the engine and not THEORY.. MANY see this and benefit, while others try and spin it into a different (negative) light.. I can not control that.
I , honestly, believe that there is some real mis-information with respect to this engine and what is preceived wrong with it and what is realy wrong with it.
Anyway, back to your warranty query. ya know, that Tommy Boy vid sums it up quite well as far as my thoughts on it.. When you are one of the oldest shops in the county , the products speak for themselves due to the history of the company and the obvious attention to detail in the products offered..You do not stay in this business long if the products are sub-par..
Anyway, no harm no foul.. just try and read the responses for their literal meanings and not their "skewed" meanings.. It may surprise you as to what is really being said.
